Treestands and grazing leases

[calgarychef]

So I finally received a call back from a grazing lease owner about hunting permission. I emailed him t times then got snarky enough that he actually called me, and we had a nice conversation.

“You’re too late” of course was the first comment although I contacted him before the actual yearly contact date listed on the access terms. I explained that I just wanted to set up a treestand on their side of the fence because the private land side I have permission on doesn’t have any trees in that stretch. He said”you can’t have treestands on the lease, we don’t allow them”. I accepted that but got to thinking after I got off the phone. I don’t think a leaseholder can decide they don’t want treestands. It’s crown land. Then on the other hand treestands could be considered “left garbage.”

It raises an interesting question, can a leaseholder prevent a hunter from hanging a stand?

[58thecat]

Hang it and take it out when your done.....real simple....why create issues that will only make things difficult down the road.

[wildwoods]

I wouldn’t think they would have to allow tree stands on their leased lands. It’s a little grey but I would imagine he’s probably right. Just my baseless opinion though so take with appropriate salt intake

[coyotecaller]

Last year, leases were inspected by the government that be. Our tree stands had to be removed. No permanent structure allowed. I guess that includes tree stands.

[calgarychef]

Originally Posted by coyotecaller

Last year, leases were inspected by the government that be. Our tree stands had to be removed. No permanent structure allowed. I guess that includes tree stands.

I understand if they’re left past the season. But during the season I’m still wondering..

[calgarychef]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Hang it and take it out when your done.....real simple....why create issues that will only make things difficult down the road.

You mean take it out every day?

[ghostguy6]

Best bet would be to phone the local lands manager and ask directly. They have the ability to grant you access even if the least holder says no access. They can also tell you what is allowed and what isnt. Some leases do have special permissions granted to them.

Every lease I have been on has a few stands on it all season long. The only place I know of that has restrictions on stands is Blackfoot. Even there you can leave them on the ground. They just can not be left hanging over night.

[IL Bar]

Who is liable if you get hurt falling out of your tree stand or get hurt installing or removing it on a grazing lease? The leaseholder, the government or no one? If it’s the leaseholder I can see their concern.

[DiabeticKripple]

They cannot restrict if you hang a tree stand or not.

But you legally can’t leave it there, so I would take it down every day and put it n the private side of the fence.

[OL_JR]

Originally Posted by IL Bar

Who is liable if you get hurt falling out of your tree stand or get hurt installing or removing it on a grazing lease? The leaseholder, the government or no one? If it’s the leaseholder I can see their concern.

One leasholder I get permission from every year has this concern so asks hunters don't use them. I'm not sure how exactly that works but I don't argue, everyone knows everyone around the area so no advantage to being difficult.

[Dean2]

There is a specific section in Alberta law that protects landowners from liability for accidents to people that they allow on the land for recreational purposed, or who trespass on the land, private or lease. If you search here on AO you can find the threads that have the legislation attached to them.

The Act is called the Occupiers Liability Act.
http://www.qp.alberta.ca/documents/acts/o04.pdf

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by calgarychef

You mean take it out every day?

I would discuss with the lease owner my intentions are to hunt from a stand and so be it if they want it out at the end of a day or after the season….being legal..open and honest is always a good start.

I know people that take in climbers and just operate that way to not create headaches etc

Stands grow legs….if you leave a ladder stand well cattle like to rub….

Each lease is different


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[urban rednek]

Originally Posted by Dean2

There is a specific section in Alberta law that protects landowners from liability for accidents to people that they allow on the land for recreational purposed, or who trespass on the land, private or lease. If you search here on AO you can find the threads that have the legislation attached to them.

The Act is called the Occupiers Liability Act.
http://www.qp.alberta.ca/documents/acts/o04.pdf

Unless this Act has been updated to prevent a recurrence of the 2003 debacle, it isn't worth the paper it is printed on. I can understand landowners not wanting to allow anyone the opportunity to expose them to increased liability concerns.
"Why din't you tell me that tree wasn't safe to hang a stand on?"

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=143126
http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=8073

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by coyotecaller

Last year, leases were inspected by the government that be. Our tree stands had to be removed. No permanent structure allowed. I guess that includes tree stands.

The correct answer to the question

[Red Bullets]

Instead of stands it might be time to practice walking around lease grounds on a good pair of 6 to 8 foot tall stilts.

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by Red Bullets

Instead of stands it might be time to practice walking around lease grounds on a good pair of 6 to 8 foot tall stilts.

If you do have your buddy filmi your hunt lol

[Yaha Tinda]

Originally Posted by calgarychef

It’s crown land.

They ask that you remove your treestand....AFTER the season.

[calgarychef]

Originally Posted by Yaha Tinda

They ask that you remove your treestand....AFTER the season.

They “ask” or rather tell me… no stands allowed.

[WhiskeyJack]

Lol the people that answer these questions have no clue and they don’t own any lease land. You need to spend some time and make some friends. Every year it’s the same bo ho ho with grazing leases.

[thumper]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyJack

Lol the people that answer these questions have no clue and they don’t own any lease land. You need to spend some time and make some friends. Every year it’s the same bo ho ho with grazing leases.

Actually, they do 'own' lease land. We all do, it's public land. The lease-holders don't 'own' it, they lease it.

[WhiskeyJack]

You sure do own it lol
Drop the entitled princess routine if you want to actually hunt on it.

[WhiskeyJack]

In an effort to be constructive.

You need to be respectful to the lease holder

There is townships of leased land that you don’t even have to ask for permission.

[ghostguy6]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyJack

In an effort to be constructive.

You need to be respectful to the lease holder

There is townships of leased land that you don’t even have to ask for permission.

It works both ways, if lease holders would be mindful of the conditions without trying to make up their own rules then hunters wouldnt have to become the "pain in the ass" you claim them to be.

[Yaha Tinda]

Originally Posted by calgarychef

They “ask” or rather tell me… no stands allowed.

Is it listed as one of the conditions?

[calgarychef]

Originally Posted by Yaha Tinda

Is it listed as one of the conditions?

Good point… it’s not a listed condition.

I really wish these simple things didn’t have to become as “confrontational” as they do. As stated it’s crown land.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by calgarychef

Good point… it’s not a listed condition.

I really wish these simple things didn’t have to become as “confrontational” as they do. As stated it’s crown land.

You can't build any permanent structure on crown land without permission , so is a treestand comsidered a permanent structure? If it's nailed to the tree, it likely is.

[calgarychef]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

You can't build any permanent structure on crown land without permission , so is a treestand comsidered a permanent structure? If it's nailed to the tree, it likely is.

Likely. A hang on stand with some tied on steps hanging there for a few weeks shouldn’t hurt one darned thing.

[Yaha Tinda]

So.....you need some help putting that stand up? 😇

[Ncameron]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyJack

You sure do own it lol
Drop the entitled princess routine if you want to actually hunt on it.

Entitled princess routine? Its crown land that is available to every resident for reasonable recreation purposes. It should not be up to the GL operator to treat it like their own private land.

Edit: I understand rude people dont request access or treat the properties poorly or even blatantly ignore conditions. This aspect as an operator likely does suck but sounds like this person is doing their best to be an advocate for our community and follow the rules.

Good question by the OP and I agree it's not listed as a condition and if you were to hike it in, remove it each day, and not cause damage to trees on the lease then I dont see why you cant do it.

[hal53]

Why not set up a ground blind on the fence line side that you DO have permission on? Of course if you did that you'd miss out on getting the annual thread complaining about leased lands going....