What is wrong with Millenials?

[Newview01]

We can probably thank our education system.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mi...ill-2017-11-01

According to the latest survey from the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, a D.C.-based nonprofit, one in two U.S. millennials say they would rather live in a socialist or communist country than a capitalist democracy.

What’s more, 22% of them have a favorable view of Karl Marx and a surprising number see Joseph Stalin and Kim Jong Un as “heroes.”

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by Newview01

We can probably thank our education system.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mi...ill-2017-11-01

That has to be taught, anyone doing their own research would not come to those conclusions.

[lmtada]

Originally Posted by Newview01

We can probably thank our education system.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mi...ill-2017-11-01

Read book “IGen”, by Jean M Twenge. She wrote couple books Generation Me, and IGen. The IGen born between 1994-2010. They have been living there entire life around Internet. Big change comes around 2010 with introduction of smart phone. Kids, young adults spending 6+ hours daily (40+ hours/week), connected to Twitter, Snapchat, YouTube, yahoo, games, movies. Guess what Google, Apple, Microsoft, YouTube are controlling the narrative.
This will be a huge problem in the near future. This is why economic system will crash. Why do you think Bitcoin is rallying to $7,000.00 today. People have either won the lottery, or are preparing for the meltdown. Looking for alternative places to store cash away from government. I could go on, however will stop here.
Yes problems are arising.
PB43

[play.soccer]

I think bitcoin will burst and collapse like the market in 2008. Then those in the know will have made their billions and everyone else in bitcoin will have lost it all.


Y'all wanna see a millenial first hand local go watch Canada's worst driver season 12. She's from Edmonton!

[dmac]

Nothing, i have five kids, all born in the period 81 - 90, well educated, all doing great. Second oldest and hubby just opened this project in Kitchener/Waterloo. Definitely no socialist leanings there.

https://www.lot42.ca/

[Doc777]

Every thing is wrong lol

[HVA7mm]

Not all is lost. Last year much to my chagrin, my daughters grade 6 social studies curriculum was heavily biased towards social justice. I know, it's not the fault of the teachers but of the curriculum that they are forced to teach. Anyhow, she asked me "Why do we need to learn so much about social justice, what's the point?" I was happy with that response, and as a parent told her not to be afraid to question or discuss anything that was being taught in the classroom. I think that we should give young people more credit, as most of them are pretty good at reading between the lines. Unfortunately it's usually the vocal minority that give the rest of them a bad name.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Newview01

We can probably thank our education system.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mi...ill-2017-11-01

We ought to have an immigration exchange program.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Newview01

We can probably thank our education system.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mi...ill-2017-11-01

The problem is easily recognized and fixed. It's actually quite simple. No one would listen. In fact you aren't even allowed to talk about it.

[bobtodrick]

Here's an interesting article from a leading photographic trade magazine

"We have just put to bed our November issue where we try to get inside the head of Gen-Millennial. Ask people to assess the generational groups that make up our population, and chances are all will agree that Millennials are the worst. Even Millennials have a hard time defending Millennials. Aren't they the kids that got a trophy for coming in last?

Of course, like the GenXers and Boomers before them, Millennials have their strengths and weaknesses. Why we are even spending time on this is that according to Pew Research, Millennials are now the largest living generation, and therefore the generation most likely to make up your work force, and your customers. Love them or leave them, you still need to understand them.

Until we started work on this issue I thought my daughters were Millennials, when in fact they are part of the iGen or GenZ population. To make sense of all these categories here's a primer on the key generations of today.

The Baby Boomers, born 1946-1964 (according to Pew) were preceded by The Silent Generation (born 1928-1945), which adhered to the rules and held a strong respect for authority. Boomers, known as the "Me Generation," bought into the American Dream promised to them by their Traditionalist parents. They have, as a result, been defined as greedy, materialistic, and competitive, yet also ambitious, goal-centric and successful, with a strong work ethic and team player mentality. They either turned into radicals of the ‘70s, Yuppies of the ‘80s, or both (Steve Jobs). As post-war babies, they pioneered the sexual revolution, championed civil rights, are anti-war, anti-government, and want to make a difference. Unlike Traditionalists, Boomers typically live by the "buy now, pay later" mantra when it comes to spending.

By contrast, Generation X (born 1965-1980) is the generation of single parents, and the first known as latchkey kids - they came home from school to an empty house, while both parents worked. They fend for themselves, and are defined by their entrepreneurial make-up (think 1971-born Elon Musk), but also have their view of work influenced by corporate downsizing. They are the most educated generation of the five, but also the first to seek a work-life balance, and be cynical of the 50-hour work week invented by Boomers. They crave independence, are self-starters and, when possible, ignore leadership. Cautious spenders, GenXers like to save.

Then we come to those all-important Millennials, or GenY (born 1981-1997), who are brash, narcissistic, and entitled, so the cliché goes. Notoriously slow at "getting going," stating difficulty in finding employment, when they do, it's inside the "gig or contract economy," with low wages and part-time work, minus benefits. Lifestyle choices and risk aversion have made Millennials shy of entering the housing market, particularly after seeing the market crash of the late 2000s. Of the 80 million Millennials in the United States, only 10 million own a home compared to 70% of those aged between 50 and 59. Millennials are swimming in education debt. They have never lived without computers and are attached to their gadgets and parents, who prop them up with equal enthusiasm. They are optimistic, but have little respect for authority - think Millennial Edward Snowden. Often coming from a blended family, they came of age during the recession, and are price-focused.

If Millennials are Lady Gaga and Facebook, Generation Zers, born between 1997 and today, are Lorde and SnapChat. If you're a Baby Boomer, you probably have no idea what I just said. GenZers lack focus, yet can SnapChat on their phones while taking selfies and inputting data on the computer. No generation has had as much access to information, or can process it faster. This may be the first generation that opts not to go to university - they can learn everything they need to online, after all, and have high aspirations of starting a business one day. Speed is everything, and technology is a given. 92% of Gen Z have a digital footprint.

So are Millennials the ‘worst' generation?" It's a hot debate. And when you really think about it, are they that much different than the rebellious, free-spirited 20- and 30-somethings of any other generation? What we do know is that they represent the largest size of the population. So get to know them, start coddling them, and be nice. They are the future."

[Taco]

Generation "ABC" bitchin' about Generation "XYZ" since 5092 BCE

[ReconWilly]

No one's blaming teachers who are just doing their jobs.

But if you think that public education has NOTHING to do with this than i have no words.

Other factors include but are not limited to tv, social engineering errr media, Hellywood, radio "music", celebrity worship, hive mind group think and on and on and on...

Keep in mind that those doing these biased skewed surveys are the same liars trying to sell the public on biased poll results.

[El-Brento]

Jeez you guys sound like a bunch of grumpy old men shaking your canes at the kids...

Nothing is wrong with millennials, this is the usual generation gap. I’m a Gen X and I remember similar statements when I was 20, it happened in the sixties as well. I’ll be more concerned with a generation that isn’t different from their parents and doesn’t want to try and change the world.

[bobtodrick]

Originally Posted by Taco

Generation "ABC" bitchin' about Generation "XYZ" since 5092 BCE

This is so true.
I read article once about Franz Liszt (the composer).
He was a 'bad boy' of his time (about 1830) and his concerts appealed mainly to the younger crowd, whose parents listened to Beethoven and Bach.
It got so concert halls wouldn't book him because his fans tended to trash the concert halls....ripping seat, tearing down curtains and the such.
Those damn young people

[Okotokian]

Read the actual report. Thirty pages, no small print, lots of graphs. Y0
ou can do it in 5 minutes.

http://victimsofcommunism.org/wp-con...2017-final.pdf

Keep in mind, small sample (2300 total for all age groups). The MUCH more interesting finding is that a large proportion, (actually the majority in a couple age groups) feels the American capitalist system works AGAINST them. How come THAT doesn't make news out of this report??????

[The Elkster]

I find it interesting that the same people that are investing in bitcoin (something that has no intrinsic value) are the same people that rant against regular currency. I don't think bitcoin was invented as a means of investing in financial speculation but that is all that inflated market has become. Speculation that BTC will be the currency of the future. Make money while you can and get out cause BTC at this point is no different than gambling. When a products value has nothing behind it but public sentiment...be scared. Things can change on a dime.

[densa44]

El-Brento has it right I think. There is no right and wrong in this topic, it just depends on your point of view.

Follow me close here, my generation is rapidly disappearing, the youth and immigrants are growing, very quickly.

To be successful in the next 2 elections (Provincially and Federally) you must find a way to appeal to these new and very influential voters.

If you are paying close attention both the Provincial and Federal governments are floating trail balloons looking for wedge issues. Those are ones that the new voters will support that the old ones don't.

Guess which ones they will add to their platforms.

[brokenbones4]

I always find it amusing when an older generation complains about the kids of today...they are your kids! Your generation raised and schooled them. There are idiots in every generation, always will be.

[lmtada]

Originally Posted by lmtada

Read book “IGen”, by Jean M Twenge. She wrote couple books Generation Me, and IGen. The IGen born between 1994-2010. They have been living there entire life around Internet. Big change comes around 2010 with introduction of smart phone. Kids, young adults spending 6+ hours daily (40+ hours/week), connected to Twitter, Snapchat, YouTube, yahoo, games, movies. Guess what Google, Apple, Microsoft, YouTube are controlling the narrative. Yes problems are arising.
PB43

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/ma...ones-1.4384876

Good article.

[silverdoctor]

It's not just the millennials, older generation is hooked on technology and sometimes worse than the younger folk. People are getting used to quick and fast, why go to a post office to mail a letter when email is quick and takes no effort. How many people shop online instead of going into a store. Instant gratification. Everything today is sold as safe or convenient, but when that's how you're raised.

Kids are being introduced to technology at a young age. Parents are the ones that seem to be in competition with each other - wanting the best of the best to their kids. Then wonder why they can't shoehorn them out of the basement, they don't get out and socialize. Average kids social life is on their phone, or gaming system - and that's not their fault. Can't let your kid outside alone anymore, someone might report it. So when you talk about a generation or two that can't be self sufficient, they haven't been raised that way. Technology is the babysitter.

It's the older generation that's driving this addiction.

And it's not all parents and kids - not every kid is raised like that. My hat is off to those parents.

[bsmitty27]

I understand frustration with the capitalism system that allows the stock market to bankrupt companies and not pay their employees. That is reverse socialism of sorts. Work for 30 years to give your savings away!
I would be hard starting out today, and to have a positive outlook for the future. Corporations are getting larger (mergers) and are getting more power for policy and law making. And then there is the automation of the workforce, which means less jobs, for everyone, less taxes for government and more money and power to a small percent of individuals.
I wouldn't want to swap positions with any of them
Brad

[Okotokian]

Biggest surprise for me... how many actually knew who Justin Trudeau was. I was shocked. WAY more than I thought would....

[dodger]

Originally Posted by densa44

El-Brento has it right I think. There is no right and wrong in this topic, it just depends on your point of view.

Follow me close here, my generation is rapidly disappearing, the youth and immigrants are growing, very quickly.

To be successful in the next 2 elections (Provincially and Federally) you must find a way to appeal to these new and very influential voters.

If you are paying close attention both the Provincial and Federal governments are floating trail balloons looking for wedge issues. Those are ones that the new voters will support that the old ones don't.

Guess which ones they will add to their platforms.

How true is this ^^^^^^^^
Good post.

Dodger.

[jstubbs]

I can only imagine young people from every generation of the last 50 years have probably thought socialism would be great, especially those who don't yet pay taxes, or don't earn nearly enough to have their wages so heavily garnished by higher income tax brackets. It's easy to say that socialism would be fantastic if you're not the one fitting the bill but still get to enjoy the benefits and virtue signal about how much of a fantastic, progressive individual you are.

That said, I just don't understand how ANYONE can choose to support Marxism/communism. You seriously have to be certifiably insane to believe it:

A: is possible to even happen
B: won't lead to millions of deaths of innocent lives, like what has happened EVERY SINGLE OTHER TIME IT HAS BEEN ATTEMPTED THROUGHOUT HISTORY.

I seriously don't think there is anything more dangerous than a group hell-bent on implementing communism. Humans, without an unbelievable paradigm shift in how we think and act, will never be able to properly function in a communist society. There are simply too many naturally greedy, evil and corrupt people that will always spoil it. There are people who are inherently selfish, and without the incentive of personal gain for themselves, will not do something simply because it benefits the greater overall society.

[bsmitty27]

Originally Posted by jstubbs

There are people who are inherently selfish, and without the incentive of personal gain for themselves, will not do something simply because it benefits the greater overall society.

X2 but it relates to the world in every aspect socialism and capitalism.

[PAB270]

Originally Posted by Newview01

We can probably thank our education system.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mi...ill-2017-11-01

I'd say it has more to do with the capitalist democracy leaving these children to grow up impoverished. Notice how the percentage of children in poverty in the US is only 1% different the the number who support Karl Marx. It's probably because the idea that everyone would have a proportional amount of wealth is very attractive to those who have much less.

About 15 million children in the United States – 21% of all children – live in families with incomes below the federal poverty threshold, a measurement that has been shown to underestimate the needs of families. Research shows that, on average, families need an income of about twice that level to cover basic expenses. Using this standard, 43% of children live in low-income families.

http://www.nccp.org/topics/childpoverty.html

[robson3954]

To be fair to the study group - I don't think that when they say socialism, I don't feel like they believe the system should be 100% socialist.
More in line with the list here:

http://blog.peerform.com/top-ten-mos...-in-the-world/

Many on the list have a very high quality of life.

If you don't at least like a little socialism, you'd better be prepared to shell out for education, healthcare, transit etc etc. Nobody but the top few % could afford the kind of life that we live.

[sns2]

Nothing wrong with the young people. My guess is there is more wrong with grumpy old people who think the younger generation is going to hell in a handbag. All these millennials were raised by people in our age group, and in a society governed by people in our age group. Don't know what that says, but it must say something. Sure there are idiots, but let's be honest, they grow up when kids and mortgage payments hit them in the face. It's called life.

[ren008]

Real wages haven't kept up with inflation never mind the true cost of living, particularly clear when you look at housing costs not all the affordability jargon. When these kids look at what it would cost to get the same deal and lifestyle that their folks had (getting hitched and raising some kids, picket fence, job security/pension etc....) they realize it ain't happening the same way and it's crushingly discouraging.

At worst it leads to overwhelming apathy, a refusal to play the game, and waiting it out in the basement until the folks kick off and it's time to collect. Other side is getting out there and trying, but with a strong commitment towards fiscal caution and fixation on actual costs/prices vs affordability/payments (minimalism, happy with less, etc). Somewhere in the middle is where you see the strong socialist mentality rising out of it all.

Want to make a young person angry?

Tell them you're planning to keep working into your 70's, mostly just for just for something to do, but also that your $500k house (purchased for $45k in the 90's) hasn't quite appreciated enough yet in value to afford a total relocation down south as you never bothered to save a dime for retirement anyways. But it's no big deal, as long as they quit screwing around and get a job and keep paying taxes/CPP/EI/XYZ... All they have to do is go down to the plant or service station, ask to speak to the owner, give'm a firm handshake and a nod, and they will be set for life.

[darren32]

LOL, they should talk to my wife. She lived in Romania for 32 years. 15 of them under a communist government. I think they would change their answer after that conversation.