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Old 04-04-2021, 11:57 AM
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Wondering how long they’ll last in Alberta ? F&W guys I talked to said it’s already in the works, maybe by end of 2021.
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Old 04-04-2021, 12:05 PM
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Wondering how long they’ll last in Alberta ? F&W guys I talked to said it’s already in the works, maybe by end of 2021.
I quit using them because they were no advantage to me personally . They are a real outright advantage no question in the right situation. They may be tough to ban them as people will say they are being used for security and such. I have nothing against them at all. Joe blow from the city can see when the elk herd shows up in his hunting grounds and get his F150 screaming. Might be back in time for kids hockey practice too!
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Old 04-04-2021, 12:41 PM
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I think cell game cameras are bull sheet and i hope they are banned. Montana had banned ALL cameras during hunting season but now allow the standard non transmitting / cellular models . We already have the best rifles , scopes , rangefinders and bino's.
Similar to drones they are an ugly encroachment on the wildlife we are supposed to respect.
I know there are many arguments , distance to travel to check a camera , i'm not disturbing the area , blah blah. Doesn't fly with me. But until they are banned it's a free world so to each his own.
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Old 04-04-2021, 01:05 PM
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Everyone I know just uses them as security cameras, and I’m talking security in their yard not out in the hay field
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Old 04-04-2021, 01:06 PM
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I wonder how many suspensions, warnings or new members of banned camp will come outta this thread.
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Old 04-04-2021, 03:46 PM
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Wondering how long they’ll last in Alberta ? F&W guys I talked to said it’s already in the works, maybe by end of 2021.
Hopefully just for outfitters
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Old 04-04-2021, 05:07 PM
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It would be a shame to see them banned. My kids a i really enjoy having a couple cams out all year to watch the different types of wildlife that makes its way through the areas we hunt. Its over 2 hours to the closest spot for us so not having to go all the way out there to pull cards is nice and keeps the boys interested all year for the coming season.

I can see how they could be used for an unfair advantage but how many things are we going to ban instead of just punishing the a holes that commit the offences. There's lots of animals poached from the front seat of a truck but we aren't talking about banning trucks or rifles?

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Old 04-04-2021, 05:16 PM
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It would be a shame to see them banned. My kids a i really enjoy having a couple cams out all year to watch the different types of wildlife that makes its way through the areas we hunt. Its over 2 hours to the closest spot for us so not having to go all the way out there to pull cards is nice and keeps the boys interested all year for the coming season.

I can see how they could be used for an unfair advantage but how many things are we going to ban instead of just punishing the a holes that commit the offences. There's lots of animals poached from the front seat of a truck but we aren't talking about banning trucks or rifles?

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That’s my view on them as well. Not that I have any, but I could definitely see the benefits. Especially with the price of gas going up....
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Old 04-04-2021, 05:20 PM
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Good god already
Ban this
Ban that
More taxes
Stay home
Don't see family

It's head shaking where we are at , let alone we are heading...

What , and why rather is the concern?
I don't have cams at all, but can someone fill me in on this?
I do agree it would be good for home security, so that's out?
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Old 04-04-2021, 07:47 PM
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We have 2 cameras

Simple $50 amazon ones

We have to go to the camera, pull the card and watch it that way

Like anything else I deem "stupid", I'd ignore a ban. Come get me
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Old 04-04-2021, 07:52 PM
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It would not surprise me unfortunately

The attack on hunting is death by a thousand cuts often started by our fellow hunters. Antis don’t need to attack hunters just support the hunters who choose to attack hunting styles, methods, or hunts they don’t agree with

To the hunters who support and lobby for this stuff remember one day it will be things you enjoy or methods you use that will be on the chopping block
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Old 04-04-2021, 08:31 PM
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These trails cams are usually argued on emotional instead of a practical basis IMO.
A person still has to get to where their camera is, and just because the critter is on the cam today doesn't mean it will be there when you get there.
I see no real game changer situations here.
BTW I don't use cameras in my "home"hunting grounds .
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As far as I know, Canadian wildlife authorities are only concerned about cellular transmitting game cameras.


The precedents in the US of selling location of trophy game in an instant are troubling.
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Old 04-04-2021, 09:14 PM
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It would not surprise me unfortunately

The attack on hunting is death by a thousand cuts often started by our fellow hunters. Antis don’t need to attack hunters just support the hunters who choose to attack hunting styles, methods, or hunts they don’t agree with

To the hunters who support and lobby for this stuff remember one day it will be things you enjoy or methods you use that will be on the chopping block
Those exact arguments were probably used when seasons and limits were brought in.
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Old 04-04-2021, 09:54 PM
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We have 2 cameras

Simple $50 amazon ones

We have to go to the camera, pull the card and watch it that way

Like anything else I deem "stupid", I'd ignore a ban. Come get me
They aren’t talking about banning cameras, just the cellular ones
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Old 04-04-2021, 10:00 PM
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These trails cams are usually argued on emotional instead of a practical basis IMO.
A person still has to get to where their camera is, and just because the critter is on the cam today doesn't mean it will be there when you get there.
I see no real game changer situations here.
BTW I don't use cameras in my "home"hunting grounds .
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I set up 50 cellular cameras on different quarters of land overlooking prime doe feeding areas during the rut then sit in my truck and drive to whatever field the biggest Whitetail walks out in.....

Or I run 30 baits and we shuffle hunters in when the wolf or bear gets there and the camera starts transmitting pictures of the bear or wolf we want....

This is the reason BC outlawed them.

I mean if you had a camera watching a field where the elk were coming out randomly why even get out of bed if they didn’t come out to feed last night ?
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Old 04-04-2021, 10:03 PM
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Hopefully just for outfitters
So you’re ok with cheating as long as it’s a resident and not an outfitter ? lol
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Old 04-04-2021, 10:51 PM
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I set up 50 cellular cameras on different quarters of land overlooking prime doe feeding areas during the rut then sit in my truck and drive to whatever field the biggest Whitetail walks out in.....

Or I run 30 baits and we shuffle hunters in when the wolf or bear gets there and the camera starts transmitting pictures of the bear or wolf we want....

This is the reason BC outlawed them.

I mean if you had a camera watching a field where the elk were coming out randomly why even get out of bed if they didn’t come out to feed last night ?
Batteries die to fast on the instant notification setting
Windy nights are expensive
Or places with lots of does that won’t go away
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Those exact arguments were probably used when seasons and limits were brought in.
Season and limits are a matter of wildlife management that is about conserving wildlife for the future. The issue of cellular cams or even those who oppose normal cams is an ethnics debate

Comparing apples to elephants with that example you are providing

Let’s ban/majorly regulate the use of motor vehicles for hunting, or limit scope power, or how about a yearly proficiency test. Arguments can be brought forward to support theses and many others with stronger points than are used against trail cams

But really let’s leave it there and just say people should really consider what the directions things can go
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Old 04-05-2021, 06:59 AM
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Banning game cameras would be similar to banning fish finders...
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I set up 50 cellular cameras on different quarters of land overlooking prime doe feeding areas during the rut then sit in my truck and drive to whatever field the biggest Whitetail walks out in.....

Or I run 30 baits and we shuffle hunters in when the wolf or bear gets there and the camera starts transmitting pictures of the bear or wolf we want....

This is the reason BC outlawed them.

I mean if you had a camera watching a field where the elk were coming out randomly why even get out of bed if they didn’t come out to feed last night ?
Yet BC allows blood trailing dogs and we do not because of the fear of a bunch of people "shooting to wound" then trailing with a dog, and BC allows centerfire 22's and Alberta does not because of the the thinking that the .22 centerfire is not "ethical" or efficient for killing big game.
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Banning game cameras would be similar to banning fish finders...
Not game cameras, cellular game cameras
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Yet BC allows blood trailing dogs and we do not because of the fear of a bunch of people "shooting to wound" then trailing with a dog, and BC allows centerfire 22's and Alberta does not because of the the thinking that the .22 centerfire is not "ethical" or efficient for killing big game.
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Definitely some rules don’t make sense. Pack dogs for years was one of them. Running cougar and lynx with dogs is ok, but bears aren’t is another one that makes no sense.

Using live feed cameras..... I know that ones being abused, I’ve done it inadvertently myself years ago without even realizing what I was doing at the time. Not to the extent mentioned above but none the less
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someone has always got their gitch in a knot over something....get outside and go for a hike.
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I use my cell cams from Dec to July, use the standard ones for the season. I subscribe to the fair chase rules set out by P&Y. It’s cool to get pictures during the scouting months. I don’t think it helps me any more than a standard cell cam. I know the trails they travel anyhow, that’s why the camera hangs where it does... with a bow you still have to get close and in position.

Now if you used the real time data to alter your action on where and when to hunt I can see that being an advantage. Like I mentioned above as per fair chase rules, that’s a no go for me. It isn’t against any laws or rules though.

Here is P&Y statement:

https://www.pope-young.org/informati...l.asp?news=213

I don’t think they have given me any advantage OTHER than saving on fuel and pollution driving to areas several hours away. I hunted with and without cameras heck I hunt with the old trail timers

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I live 20 minutes from where I set up my one and only cam, so if if was cellular, I suppose it could be used to unfair advantage. As it is, I drive out once per week, swap cards and check it.
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So you’re ok with cheating as long as it’s a resident and not an outfitter ? lol
Cheating?
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I use my cell cams from Dec to July, use the standard ones for the season. I subscribe to the fair chase rules set out by P&Y. It’s cool to get pictures during the scouting months. I don’t think it helps me any more than a standard cell cam. I know the trails they travel anyhow, that’s why the camera hangs where it does... with a bow you still have to get close and in position.

Now if you used the real time data to alter your action on where and when to hunt I can see that being an advantage. Like I mentioned above as per fair chase rules, that’s a no go for me. It isn’t against any laws or rules though.

Here is P&Y statement:

https://www.pope-young.org/informati...l.asp?news=213

I don’t think they have given me any advantage OTHER than saving on fuel and pollution driving to areas several hours away. I hunted with and without cameras heck I hunt with the old trail timers

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I should have clarified in BC you can still use Cellular trail cameras outside of the season. Just have to pull the SIM card before opening day.

I would suspect Alberta will follow suit on that line of thinking
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I should have clarified in BC you can still use Cellular trail cameras outside of the season. Just have to pull the SIM card before opening day.

I would suspect Alberta will follow suit on that line of thinking
That wouldn’t bother or affect how I do things.

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