Numbers

parfleche · #1 07-04-2018, 08:06 PM

Try and keep this on topic and if necessary just a low brawl will be fine !
Does anyone have the statistics In Alberta for :
1; Average animal mortality due to vehicle collisions per year ?

2; Average animal mortality due to poaching per year ?

Kurt505 · #2 07-04-2018, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by parfleche

Try and keep this on topic and if necessary just a low brawl will be fine !
Does anyone have the statistics In Alberta for :
1; Average animal mortality due to vehicle collisions per year ?

2; Average animal mortality due to poaching per year ?

Can you define what your interpretation of poaching is? Some may say any animal taken without an Alberta hunting license.

CNP · #3 07-04-2018, 09:12 PM

https://www.cea.ca/files/TriParty201...fe%20Watch.pdf

parfleche · #4 07-04-2018, 09:15 PM

Well Kurt , I thought it was fairly easy to understand? Lets keep FN out of it just to be strait , that,s a whole other subject , Poaching is described in the dictionary as taking game by trespassing without permission and in the way a lot of people take it is taking game out of season ,In a surreptitious manner, I would think OUT OF SEASON and OVER LIMIT should be fairly clear.

Kurt505 · #5 07-04-2018, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by parfleche

Well Kurt , I thought it was fairly easy to understand? Lets keep FN out of it just to be strait , that,s a whole other subject , Poaching is described in the dictionary as taking game by trespassing without permission and in the way a lot of people take it is taking game out of season ,In a surreptitious manner, I would think OUT OF SEASON and OVER LIMIT should be fairly clear.

No problem, however the only way you can be sure an animal was poached is if someone is charged, otherwise it may have just been a fn harvest. That leaves a lot of questionable cases.

I guess I should have asked what is the purpose for the numbers?

parfleche · #6 07-04-2018, 09:24 PM

Thank you CNP ! Appreciated , Do you know anything about non animal vehicle mortality ? If that is related to disease? forest fires, poisoning ? Do they have a clearer explanation for those ?

parfleche · #7 07-04-2018, 09:32 PM

Kurt OK then lets go with charged, and lets go with found dead wildlife due to trespassing and out of season .and just for giggles lets add report a poacher calls that are never followed up as being accurate or not . Lets not make it any more difficult , there is no ulterior motive here , just a ordinary question

And the purpose of the questions is to try and find out IF the numbers of AVC are higher then poaching, And if poaching is such a rampant problem as is purported by many outdoors enthusiasts .

Kurt505 · #8 07-04-2018, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by parfleche

Kurt OK then lets go with charged, and lets go with found dead wildlife due to trespassing and out of season .and just for giggles lets add report a poacher calls that are never followed up as being accurate or not . Lets not make it any more difficult , there is no ulterior motive here , just a ordinary question

And the purpose of the questions is to try and find out IF the numbers of AVC are higher then poaching, And if poaching is such a rampant problem as is purported by many outdoors enthusiasts .

Well ok then. Not trying to make it more difficult, I'm trying to make it more clear. For all I knew you may have been trying to figure out why population numbers are where they are, or why certain animals are on a draw only in certain areas.

I don't think poaching by your definition is too prolific in my area, however there are probably some areas harder hit than others.

Smokinyotes · #9 07-04-2018, 09:57 PM

I can’t imagine how many deer are killed annually by vehicles but the number must be huge.

parfleche · #10 07-04-2018, 10:07 PM

It had nothing to do with the reasons you stated Kurt , Just a curious question .
I know AVC are high as heck , I drove throughout the province of Alberta , BC and Sask Yukon and Alaska for 37 years on heavy trucks and it,s mind boggling the mortality of wild life !
You would be tempted to think there would be none left for hunting !
between hunting , AVC and predators and disease it a miracle any are left!
And every year its repeated .

Kurt505 · #11 07-04-2018, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by parfleche

It had nothing to do with the reasons you stated Kurt , Just a curious question .
I know AVC are high as heck , I drove throughout the province of Alberta , BC and Sask Yukon and Alaska for 37 years on heavy trucks and it,s mind boggling the mortality of wild life !
You would be tempted to think there would be none left for hunting !
between hunting , AVC and predators and disease it a miracle any are left!
And every year its repeated .

Well the link CNP posted sure sheds some light on AVC's, about 10,000 per year, but it doesn't specify which animals.

R3illy · #12 07-04-2018, 11:27 PM

how the heck does someone take this questiom and make it about first nations???

Oh thats right its kurt.

Simple question. No mention of race... that is until kurt posts.

Kurt505 · #13 07-04-2018, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by R3illy

how the heck does someone take this questiom and make it about first nations???

Oh thats right its kurt.

Simple question. No mention of race... that is until kurt posts.

Give it a rest. You gotta cry foul hey? Did you read the reason I asked? Don't you think if you're interested in population numbers that the animals fn take is an important part of the equation?

Oh ya, it's r3illy, touchy feelings, must have a guilty conscious.

Bushrat · #14 07-05-2018, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kurt505

Well the link CNP posted sure sheds some light on AVC's, about 10,000 per year, but it doesn't specify which animals.

This one goes a little deeper as far as numbers of reported wildlife collisions. For sure it is much higher than that being that a lot are not reported especially deer hits by tractor trailers that don't receive damage and don't report when they run over deer and such. Still its 10 years old so probably much higher these days.

https://www.alces.ca/.../Alberta_Wil...Amy_Carter.pdf

Kurt505 · #15 07-05-2018, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Bushrat

This one goes a little deeper as far as numbers of reported wildlife collisions. For sure it is much higher than that being that a lot are not reported especially deer hits by tractor trailers that don't receive damage and don't report when they run over deer and such. Still its 10 years old so probably much higher these days.

https://www.alces.ca/.../Alberta_Wil...Amy_Carter.pdf

That link isn't working for me?

Big Grey Wolf · #16 07-05-2018, 09:43 AM

The highway maintenance companies would have some interesting numbers as they supply alot of animals to trappers. I would bet big rig bumper hits would be quite high and not get reported.
A few years back a nature group put flags at every spot animals killed between Jasper gate and Mt Robson. It seems there was flag almost every 100 yards.

Ronji · #17 07-05-2018, 11:04 AM

A friend of mine works in the insurance industry. About 10 years ago, she showed us some data that suggested about 2300 claims files for animal collisions in the County of Strathcona alone.
I sure province wide numbers would be an eye opener.

HoytCRX32 · #18 07-05-2018, 11:09 AM

Any poaching numbers would be way off, as these would only reflect KNOWN cases..Lord knows how many poaching cases go unnoticed/unreported.

Big Grey Wolf · #19 07-06-2018, 07:22 AM

Parfleche, I did a quick calculation for you. If we extrapolate the Sherwood Park insurance numbers to entire province, I came up with 92,000 animals per year.