Lasalle / Elmwood By Elections

[Drewski Canuck]

Today is another bell weather day for the Libs / NDP.

Jagmeet Singh and Justin & Friends are very nervous, and should be.

For Jagmeet, if he does not like the way things are going now, he knows that in a year when we move from Recession to Depression, his Party is done.

If Jagmeet wants a chance to keep ANY SEATS to form Party Status in the next election, he cannot afford another year of decay that he will be blamed for. Calling an Election before the Liberals can find a new face to be Prime Minister is the NDP advantage right now.

As for the Liberal Old Guard, they are as nervous as a nine tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs. Bad News in Lasalle will mean that the Liberal Old Guard will have to find a quick replacement for Trudeau to avoid being wiped out at the next Election.

As for Canadians going into Winter with a slowing economy, loss of trade access to the Chinese market, growing debt, and higher taxes, we should be watching closely today.

Lets hope the results will be BAD enough to encourage the NDP to finally do something good for all Canadians and call a Confidence Motion when the House resumes sitting.

Drewski

[Stinky Buffalo]

True. This will be an interesting one to watch, for sure!

[jungleboy]

I expect the Bloc to step in and keep the Libs afloat. The common denominator for all the parties is that they oppose the conservatives more than they oppose each other.

[3blade]

If the election is legit, it’ll look like Ontario after wynne. Obliteration

I doubt they will let that happen though, there will be some kind of manipulation to ensure the handouts and payoffs keep flowing

Better question is, what are Pierre, Danielle and Moe willing to do bout it?

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by Stinky Buffalo

True. This will be an interesting one to watch, for sure!

I gather there is a split between the Eastern And Western NDPers, the Westerners realize it's an Eastern oriented party that hold little appeal for them.

[Dick284]

Originally Posted by 3blade

If the election is legit, it’ll look like Ontario after wynne. Obliteration

I doubt they will let that happen though, there will be some kind of manipulation to ensure the handouts and payoffs keep flowing

Better question is, what are Pierre, Danielle and Moe willing to do bout it?

Ain’t no way anyone says anything bought a maybe, or might happen, before it happens, this ain’t a game of checkers after all.

[aulrich]

The Elmwood one is probably the key, I grew up in that riding and in my memory ( I am 58), IIRC it has never been anything but NDP. It's got to be one of the safest seats in the country if the NDP manages to hold on I can see Jag hanging on until he gets his pension and then force an election. If they lose and don't force an election ASAP Jag is more of an idiot than I think he is.

[jungleboy]

Libs lose their longtime Montreal seat to the Bloc.

NDP retain Elmwood

[Drewski Canuck]

And that's why the NDP should call the election. Their chances of making inroads now are better than they have ever been before!!

If Jag is your friend or brother, call the man and tell him he's got a chance and should take it now with a non confidence vote!!

Drewski

[tirebob]

Even though they did not win, the fact the Conservatives in Elmwood closed the gap tight and the NDP and Libs lost a lot of the percentage of votes is big in its own right. Jagmeet needs to take a step back and see he is better off getting an election going asap or risk losing more seats as this fiasco carries on for another year.

The Libs losing Lasalle is another nail in the coffin.

Overall a positive result for the Conservatives I think.

[jungleboy]

Originally Posted by Drewski Canuck

And that's why the NDP should call the election. Their chances of making inroads now are better than they have ever been before!!

If Jag is your friend or brother, call the man and tell him he's got a chance and should take it now with a non confidence vote!!

Drewski

Not sure the NDP winning that seat is any indication they will improve their standing in the next election. If they had lost it , it would be more news worthy.

[tirebob]

Originally Posted by jungleboy

Not sure the NDP winning that seat is any indication they will improve their standing in the next election. If they had lost it , it would be more news worthy.

It isn't winning the seat that does it. It is the fact they pulled Liberal votes away from them. Yes the Conservatives pulled more from the Libs, but if Jagmeet stands a chance at winning any seats, they need to keep however many of the left leaning Libs they can.

Look at Lasalle. Yes the BQ won, but the NDP were in a very tight three way race which shows how many votes they took from the Libs. They should be thinking how to capitalize on that before the opportunity is gone.

This said, the best they can hope for is official opposition so I am good lol!

[AxeMan]

A little more karma for Trudeau regarding that LaSalle seat loss in Quebec.
Some more perspective that the media already forgot about:

The by-election was caused by the resignation of a scorned David Lametti in LaSalle, the former Justice Minister who was demoted by Trudeau in the last cabinet shuffle. Lametti was the golden boy at one time who was brought in by Trudeau to replace Jody Wilson-Reybould in the huge SNC scandal that Trudeau tried to cover up.

So, in short, Trudeau screwed over 2 Justice Ministers that would not blindly support his criminal schemes. Lametti was a rat, but even rats fall prey to snakes like Trudeau.

Now KARMA comes along and the end result is that Trudeau loses a Liberal stronghold seat directly related to his criminal scandals.

[big zeke]

Originally Posted by AxeMan

A little more karma for Trudeau regarding that LaSalle seat loss in Quebec.
Some more perspective that the media already forgot about:

The by-election was caused by the resignation of a scorned David Lametti in LaSalle, the former Justice Minister who was demoted by Trudeau in the last cabinet shuffle. Lametti was the golden boy at one time who was brought in by Trudeau to replace Jody Wilson-Reybould in the huge SNC scandal that Trudeau tried to cover up.

So, in short, Trudeau screwed over 2 Justice Ministers that would not blindly support his criminal schemes. Lametti was a rat, but even rats fall prey to snakes like Trudeau.

Now KARMA comes along and the end result is that Trudeau loses a Liberal stronghold seat directly related to his criminal scandals.

His bad acts have piled up so seriously it's hard to keep track...remember blackface? and JWR and SNC and Arrivescam; the litany of bad acts that would normally have a politician run out of town on a rail.

But he has a special gift of looking past the facts. He is stalwart in his commitment to bring his Liberals to non-party status...his commitment is unwavering. Ya gotta love a man that is willing to ram his ship on the rocks to save his bloated ego...didn't his dad do similar stuff?

Could it be a genetic defect or just plain arrogance...either way I'm good

For Mr Singh he might fret over a non self confidence vote but his fortunes only wither with time...grow a pair, pull the pin and sleep comfortably knowing his fortunes are the best they will ever be.

[urban rednek]

The voters in these 2 ridings have very clearly indicated they are reasonably happy with the direction the current government is taking Canada. These results amount to "We just wanted to let you know we believe in your fiscal policy and useless virtue signalling, however, we feel we are being ignored. Throw us a few more freebies and we'll return to the correct path at the first opportunity."

Many of you underestimate the willingness of the well-meaning progressives to double down on unbelievably bad policy, illegal and unethical activity, and government corruption. Until they personally experience enough negative repercussions to force them to change their minds, nothing is going to change.

Enjoy the decline.

[AxeMan]

Well, I don't think too many of us underestimate the fiscal irresponsibility of the "progressive-left" voters in Canada. Cities are becoming larger and more left all the time. And yes, Liberal-Bloc-NDP are really just different shades of lipstick on the pig. @urban redneck

Western Canada has been held hostage by the Liberal east for ever. Now maybe we are seeing a possible faint light on the horizon. How about this theory, or am I out to lunch?

The Bloc in Quebec are no doubt gaining momentum and power, mostly due to the arrogant disaster that is Justin Trudeau. Remember that the Bloc is an oddity; a separatist party at heart and is only representing Quebec. Now they hold about half the seats in Quebec and are poised to possibly take a bunch more. Maybe a federal majority Conservative government with a majority Bloc in Quebec would freak them out and push them over the edge. The handouts and whining could be ignored by Poilievre.

Can we hope for a major resurgence of the separatist movement in Quebec? Would they actually pull that trigger? Did Trudeau's arrogant incompetence really just spark the possible break up of Canada? I know he has already degraded Canada greatly.

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by urban rednek

Many of you underestimate the willingness of the well-meaning progressives to double down on unbelievably bad policy, illegal and unethical activity, and government corruption. Until they personally experience enough negative repercussions to force them to change their minds, nothing is going to change.

Enjoy the decline.

Well said. This battle is far from won. The mindset of the left's superiority complex ignores any common sense. The right needs to stop counting it's chickens before the election or we will have a repeat of the last election.

We have to remember the left has a major majority in this country, the only way for conservatives to win the election is to keep vote splitting between the liberals, NDP and Bloc intact.

If we somehow went back to just two parties the left and right, the right would lose badly as right wingers are outnumbered by about 2-1.

[BuckCuller]

Originally Posted by Bushrat

Well said. This battle is far from won. The mindset of the left's superiority complex ignores any common sense. The right needs to stop counting it's chickens before the election or we will have a repeat of the last election.

We have to remember the left has a major majority in this country, the only way for conservatives to win the election is to keep vote splitting between the liberals, NDP and Bloc intact.

If we somehow went back to just two parties the left and right, the right would lose badly as right wingers are outnumbered by about 2-1.

I can’t argue against any of what you just said. It’s all true, however I still don’t like the fact that a party can run Federally and not be running to better the whole country but just Quebec.
Could you imagine what would happen if the Bloc actually got in? They would run the rest of us into the ground I guess not much different from the Liberals and NDP, but could be worse. Hypothetical of course.

Alberta, Saskatchewan and northeastern BC is an oasis from the Liberal country formerly known as Canada.🇨🇦

[coolpete1]

Originally Posted by AxeMan

Can we hope for a major resurgence of the separatist movement in Quebec? Would they actually pull that trigger? Did Trudeau's arrogant incompetence really just spark the possible break up of Canada? I know he has already degraded Canada greatly.

i don't care about quebec leaving ,but as an Albertan i'd drop the rest of canada in a heartbeat , so sick of ontario's crap.

[Grizzly Adams1]

So, if the government falls next week, when they are now offering the Opposition a Non Confidence motion, neither of these new MPs would take their seat.

[HyperMOA]

There will be no election, Trudeau will buy the Bloc's votes and peddle more to Quebecers.

[zabbo]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

There will be no election, Trudeau will buy the Bloc's votes and peddle more to Quebecers.

You mean, dish out, hand out or just plain give qeeebec!