Stratmore and Chestamere police go MAD

[JB_AOL]

Originally Posted by Oldan Grumpi

(b) Listen calmly to both sides of the story, KEEP EVERYONE CALM, and make your judgement from there.

Funny how you say the RCMP should listen to both sides of the story, yet.... one guy's one-sided video of his "story" has you bashing the RCMP.

[Oldan Grumpi]

Only he knows what truly happened, we may never hear it.

No, there are a bunch of RCMP officers who know what truly happened as well. The well rehearsed testimony of them, versus of the testimony of a farmer and his wife....see where this is going?

I can guarantee you you’ll never know the truth. The best you can hope for is that a crazy neighbour or girlfriend never ‘swats’ you!

[JB_AOL]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

I think he lost a lot of credibility when he started screaming about having to replace his gate. Near the top of his lungs, almost crying after everything else that was the worst part?

When you watch COPS or Border Security or any show involving live take-down the (alleged) criminal is standing there with a needle in his front pocket, knife in his boot, handgun in the belt, brass knuckles in the back pocket- you are getting what I am getting to here I hope, denying everything. 'that's not mine, you planted it, I have never seen that needle before, they are my sister's jeans, that's mom's gun'....

This guy could be lying about everything, looking for a huge go-fund-me, they have worked in the past.

Only he knows what truly happened, we may never hear it.

if he is lying and covering something up he may truly believe he is in the right. Whatever happens I hope the truth is found and the mess is straightened out.

I think this is a case of him having watched too many of the you-tube video's where the SJW's walk around with an ar-15 looking for a LEO to go after them, or the guys that claim they do not have to comply with the Police, roll down the window 1/4" hoping for a window to be smashed and go viral.

Bingo. Like I said, chances are good, him (and/or his brother) are probably known to police, and he's looking for a payout.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by R3illy

if you click the original video and then click to his profile you'll see the other videos on his feed.

Thanks R3illy but I don’t have a Facebook account so it doesn’t let me access the video.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

I think he lost a lot of credibility when he started screaming about having to replace his gate. Near the top of his lungs, almost crying after everything else that was the worst part?

When you watch COPS or Border Security or any show involving live take-down the (alleged) criminal is standing there with a needle in his front pocket, knife in his boot, handgun in the belt, brass knuckles in the back pocket- you are getting what I am getting to here I hope, denying everything. 'that's not mine, you planted it, I have never seen that needle before, they are my sister's jeans, that's mom's gun'....

This guy could be lying about everything, looking for a huge go-fund-me, they have worked in the past.

Only he knows what truly happened, we may never hear it.

if he is lying and covering something up he may truly believe he is in the right. Whatever happens I hope the truth is found and the mess is straightened out.

I think this is a case of him having watched too many of the you-tube video's where the SJW's walk around with an ar-15 looking for a LEO to go after them, or the guys that claim they do not have to comply with the Police, roll down the window 1/4" hoping for a window to be smashed and go viral.

He could be lying about everything, but then again, he may not be lying, and he isn't the only one that knows what really happened, the police officers that were present also know what happened.

As expected, you used your imagination, to dream up scenarios involving handguns, needles, brass knuckles and AR-15s, to try and discredit the person, and defend the police. But seeing as how the police report mentioned zero charges against the homeowner,and only provincial charges against the two shooters, obviously there were no illegal handguns, needles, brass knuckles or AR-15s present, so your dreamed up B.S. scenarios are total nonsense.

[New Hunter Okotoks]

Well, I suppose the RCMP could just release all their body cam footage and show that this guy is an absolute liar who is lying about everything and just looking for go fund me cash.

I also hope that they have actual evidence to have charged the two men; such as bullet holes in the house- since the neighbour claimed that they were shooting at her. Otherwise, all it takes to really screw up someone's life is to call 911 and say that someone pointed a gun at you. Because if that's all it takes, I could see Anti's going out during hunting season and waiting near the vehicles of hunters so they can give an accurate description of the hunter, their vehicle, and then call 911 claiming that the hunter pointed their rifle at them and threatened their life.

[Oldan Grumpi]

Originally Posted by JB_AOL

Funny how you say the RCMP should listen to both sides of the story, yet.... one guy's one-sided video of his "story" has you bashing the RCMP.

No, I’m saying that an alleged victim has to be believed until or unless he’s proven to be untruthful.

If he’s telling the truth and simply shuts up and takes it laying down, he’s as much at fault through negligence as he claims they are by over reacting.

The allegation has been made - it has to be followed through to conclusion.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by New Hunter Okotoks

Well, I suppose the RCMP could just release all their body cam footage and show that this guy is an absolute liar who is lying about everything and just looking for go fund me cash.

I also hope that they have actual evidence to have charged the two men; such as bullet holes in the house- since the neighbour claimed that they were shooting at her. Otherwise, all it takes to really screw up someone's life is to call 911 and say that someone pointed a gun at you. Because if that's all it takes, I could see Anti's going out during hunting season and waiting near the vehicles of hunters so they can give an accurate description of the hunter, their vehicle, and then call 911 claiming that the hunter pointed their rifle at them and threatened their life.

It's too bad all officers aren't required to wear body cams, there would never be any doubt as to what happened in any situation. But then again , do the police really want everything they do while on duty being recorded? Just look at how video effected the Vancouver airport incident.

[New Hunter Okotoks]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

It's too bad all officers aren't required to wear body cams, there would never be any doubt as to what happened in any situation. But then again , do the police really want everything they do while on duty being recorded? Just look at how video effected the Vancouver airport incident.

I think that they should be required to wear them during their entire shift and not have the ability to turn them off or to mute them. When they are dealing with alleged law breakers on a constant basis, evidence must be given in court and it just makes sense to have the best, impartial witness possible- a recording. Of course in a system where the word of a Police Officer is more powerful than the word of a Citizen, there will be some Officers who don't want a body cam running.

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

.....the (alleged) criminal is standing there with a needle in his front pocket, knife in his boot, handgun in the belt, brass knuckles in the back pocket- you are getting what I am getting to here I hope, denying everything. 'that's not mine, you planted it, I have never seen that needle before, they are my sister's jeans, that's mom's gun'....

I understand what you're getting at, but I see no evidence of needles, knives, guns, brass knuckles, etc. in this situation.

[Cement Bench]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

Is there any links to his other video?

A friend of mine and his girlfriend were in parkland county shooting gophers on land they had permission on with pellet guns and were “taken down”, guns pointed at them, cops yelling, face down on the ground, cuffed, he went to one cruiser she was taken to another.

I see a trend here......

Gophers have a lot more pull than I thought.

happened to a neighbor out by DVD last year or the year before, 6 cops on the swat team through the bush

home owners were shooting away from the neighbors on 80 acres and into a 40 foot backstop

guns pointed at their heads and on the ground for an hour

police brutality at its finest

guy paid a lawyer from Edmonton 6 grand and a agreement not to shoot on his land anymore and forfeit 2 rimfire rifles. What a joke. Same thing neighbor from the big city moved onto an acreage and the paranoia begins

Maybe city for need to pass a course to move into the country

[Cement Bench]

Originally Posted by Oldan Grumpi

I do not like the direction the RCMP have taken in the past three decades. I have no doubt they are using excuses such as the Mayerthorpe incident to create their policies, and are now creating an “Us against them” atmosphere with the public they are meant to serve.

The fundamental problem is really bad command decisions. You might have noticed the long promised report on Mayerthorpe has never been released. The NCOIC who gave the disastrous command that night has long since retired, taken his pension and faded away into the civilian population....his culpability has been buried in a file somewhere never to see the light of day. “Maintiens le Droit” has been shamefully buried behind a Blue Wall. To the best of my knowledge the officer who gave the order to ‘kick in doors’ in High River has never been identified or made to face the public.

The abysmal training in Depot and the goon squad attitude being instilled there has finally reached the 30 year veterans now in Ottawa HQ. The police force that was once the pride of the nation and the envy of other police forces has degenerated into something shameful. It’s doubtful if there are enough ‘cool heads’ left in the force to bring it back to respectability.

NCOIC. means the non commissioned officer in charge, I.e. the head geek at the detachment

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by New Hunter Okotoks

I think that they should be required to wear them during their entire shift and not have the ability to turn them off or to mute them. When they are dealing with alleged law breakers on a constant basis, evidence must be given in court and it just makes sense to have the best, impartial witness possible- a recording. Of course in a system where the word of a Police Officer is more powerful than the word of a Citizen, there will be some Officers who don't want a body cam running.

Cams worn full time would help prosecute criminals, and would help to exonerate both innocent suspects, and officers
accused of wrongdoing. And the fact that everyone would know that they are being recorded, both officer and suspect, it may effect the interaction between the officers, and the public , in a good way.

[Oldan Grumpi]

bashing the RCMP.

No, I’m bemoaning how the force has degenerated.

40 years ago, the RCMP was viewed as a pillar of the community. Rowdy teenagers were often told “You can take this ticket for stunting, or you can join us for three Wednesday evenings for floor hockey at the school gym.” After three evenings, the kids no longer wanted to cross their ‘buddies’ and usually behaved very well. One member carried a bottle opener, he’d make an underage kid caught with (a no doubt precious) case of beer open it and spill it - and tell him “Next time you won’t be so lucky!”.

One NCOIC started a firearms safety and handling course (with air rifles, and later .22s for the older kids) for kids on Saturday afternoons. Every Saturday the one kid who impressed him the most got an RCMP cap - those caps were envied and the kids tried their damndest to get one. The range was flooded with kids (and dads) every Saturday!

The detachment had a counter, not a bullet proof glass, and members were local sources of information - where’s there a good spot to camp, or to eat? Where’s there a good fishing hole? Can you help me renew my FAC? People turned to the RCMP as friends, instead of avoiding them as adversaries. In smaller communities strangers coming into town very often made their first stop at the detachment to get ‘squared away’.

That, in my opinion, was respectable and honourable police work. How long has it been since you’ve regarded a police officer as someone to turn to, instead of someone to avoid?

[R3illy]

Originally Posted by JB_AOL

Bingo. Like I said, chances are good, him (and/or his brother) are probably known to police, and he's looking for a payout.

What did you base this on? The police went through the guys house and never found anything illegal. The home owner was released.

[JB_AOL]

Originally Posted by Oldan Grumpi

No, I’m saying that an alleged victim has to be believed until or unless he’s proven to be untruthful.

There's three sides to every story, this "victim" is crying wolf way to much for his story to be 100% legit (or be believed).

If he’s telling the truth and simply shuts up and takes it laying down, he’s as much at fault through negligence as he claims they are by over reacting.

Agreed, but anytime someone vents like this on social media, their credibility drops significantly.

for EG..
If this happened to me (and my family), my first call would be to a lawyer (if this story is 100% truthful), who would then advise me not to talk to the media or be on social media.

2nd, if I did go to the media (which I wouldn't), the supposed video he/his wife was taking would've been out already.

The allegation has been made - it has to be followed through to conclusion.

10000% agreed.

[R3illy]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Cams worn full time would help prosecute criminals, and would help to exonerate both innocent suspects, and officers
accused of wrongdoing. And the fact that everyone would know that they are being recorded, both officer and suspect, it may effect the interaction between the officers, and the public , in a good way.

Most rcmp vehicles have dash cams, the ones that dont would be some under cover vehicles. I thought I've seen rcmp officers wearing body cameras but not sure everyone is wearing them.

Theres no reason for every police officer and their vehicles to be equipped with cameras.

[NCC]

The situation was resolved by provincial charges being sworn against two different adult males who were identified as shooting wildlife on the property.

The RCMP will provide no further commentary on this situation or on the video which is circulating.

https://www.canadapolicereport.ca/20...ts-fired-call/

Is “shooting at wildlife on the property” a crime? I understood that these were unrelated individuals shooting gophers and were in no way associated with the arrests or charges. To me, this completely discredits the RCMP as it appears as though they are grasping at straws trying to justify the high risk takedown and gain public sympathy by adding a statement that has no bearing on the actual charges.

Are the “provincial charges” referenced in the statement the failure to provide a breath sample? If so, that also damages the RCMP’s reputation as that law was enacted to enable the prosecution of drunk drivers, not as a piling on charge when they don’t have anything else that will stick.

[R3illy]

seems shooting gophers is illegal.

[JB_AOL]

Originally Posted by R3illy

What did you base this on? The police went through the guys house and never found anything illegal. The home owner was released.

I based it on my opinion, and how the situation "unfolded" (ie. was told).

Police are not going to mess around when someone says a gun was fired at them (whether that happened or not), but judging by the "standoff" this guy/family has more than likely had confrontations with LEO's before and they decided to make a stand.

FTR. Innocent people don't continue bathing their nephews when the police are knocking at their door for 30mins, especially when they're asking you to come outside.

Let's break it down, from an RCMP perspective..

"shots fired" most people come outside and are detained, one stays inside (and refuses to come outside) with two young kids (kidnapped?, held with guns?).

See how the situation can change with many possible outcomes?

Oh and one more thing, knowing the area (strathmore/chestemere), and the amount/type of crime, the RCMP's reaction doesn't surprise me.

[cody j]

Shots fired on a rural property? I live in the country so I can shoot on my property, what has happened to Alberta ?

[R3illy]

Originally Posted by cody j

Shots fired on a rural property? I live in the country so I can shoot on my property, what has happened to Alberta ?

apparently your not allowed to shoot on your property or shoot gophers. You do not have that right on your own land anymore.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by JB_AOL

I based it on my opinion, and how the situation "unfolded" (ie. was told).

Police are not going to mess around when someone says a gun was fired at them (whether that happened or not), but judging by the "standoff" this guy/family has more than likely had confrontations with LEO's before and they decided to make a stand.

FTR. Innocent people don't continue bathing their nephews when the police are knocking at their door for 30mins, especially when they're asking you to come outside.

Let's break it down, from an RCMP perspective..

"shots fired" most people come outside and are detained, one stays inside (and refuses to come outside) with two young kids (kidnapped?, held with guns?).

See how the situation can change with many possible outcomes?

Oh and one more thing, knowing the area (strathmore/chestemere), and the amount/type of crime, the RCMP's reaction doesn't surprise me.

Kidnapped? Held at gunpoint? Now you are really grasping, they were told by the homeowner that his brother was looking after the children, not some strangers that had broken in. How do you explain arresting the homeowner, who didn't match the description, only to release him hours later? Do you think that they didn't get the description right from the start? If you were looking for armed individuals that that fired at someone, wouldn't you be asking for a description right from the start, so that you know who you are looking for, in case they ditched the firearms and tried to escape? But then they already had the people in custody that matched the description, and they found no firearms in the home, so what reason would there be to arrest the homeowner, and take him to jail, only to release him hours later? Why were such young children abandoned naked in the rain by the police? Yes there are holes in the story, but they aren't all relating to the homeowner.

[Oldan Grumpi]

Originally Posted by R3illy

apparently your not allowed to shoot on your property or shoot gophers. You do not have that right on your own land anymore.

We don’t actually own our land anymore - in the eyes of the government, we are the “surface occupant”. I’m not kidding, check it out.

We don’t even own the water in our dugouts, since about 20 years ago. If I want to buy water from your dugout, I can only pay you for access - the government takes payment for the water.

I wouldn’t be surprised to hear of a ‘air tax’ any day now for the air that we breathe or a rain tax based on how much fell on our ‘surface occupied’ land. The government used to be in our employ. Now we’re just feed stock for their self serving excesses.

I swear, Orwell was a prophet.

[WhiteTailAB]

Originally Posted by Oldan Grumpi

We don’t actually own our land anymore - in the eyes of the government, we are the “surface occupant”. I’m not kidding, check it out.

We don’t even own the water in our dugouts, since about 20 years ago. If I want to buy water from your dugout, I can only pay you for access - the government takes payment for the water.

I wouldn’t be surprised to hear of a ‘air tax’ any day now for the air that we breathe or a rain tax based on how much fell on our land. The government used to be in our employ. Now we’re just feed stock for their self serving excesses.

I swear, Orwell was a prophet.

We have an air tax, its the carbon tax.

[WhiteTailAB]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

I think he lost a lot of credibility when he started screaming about having to replace his gate. Near the top of his lungs, almost crying after everything else that was the worst part?

When you watch COPS or Border Security or any show involving live take-down the (alleged) criminal is standing there with a needle in his front pocket, knife in his boot, handgun in the belt, brass knuckles in the back pocket- you are getting what I am getting to here I hope, denying everything. 'that's not mine, you planted it, I have never seen that needle before, they are my sister's jeans, that's mom's gun'....

This guy could be lying about everything, looking for a huge go-fund-me, they have worked in the past.

Only he knows what truly happened, we may never hear it.

if he is lying and covering something up he may truly believe he is in the right. Whatever happens I hope the truth is found and the mess is straightened out.

I think this is a case of him having watched too many of the you-tube video's where the SJW's walk around with an ar-15 looking for a LEO to go after them, or the guys that claim they do not have to comply with the Police, roll down the window 1/4" hoping for a window to be smashed and go viral.

Your definition of SJW is horribly wrong, FYI.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

He could be lying about everything, but then again, he may not be lying, and he isn't the only one that knows what really happened, the police officers that were present also know what happened.

As expected, you used your imagination, to dream up scenarios involving handguns, needles, brass knuckles and AR-15s, to try and discredit the person, and defend the police. But seeing as how the police report mentioned zero charges against the homeowner,and only provincial charges against the two shooters, obviously there were no illegal handguns, needles, brass knuckles or AR-15s present, so your dreamed up B.S. scenarios are total nonsense.

As expected you are just looking for a fight, standing on your soapbox spouting trash.
I think your reading comprehension needs work. Insaid 'if you watch cops' and criminals always lie.
Actually you arent worth the effort, you are boring and exhausting. Nevermind.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by Trochu

I understand what you're getting at, but I see no evidence of needles, knives, guns, brass knuckles, etc. in this situation.

Read it again.
'When you watch cops, they stand there pockets loaded' saying not mine- was the intent of the reply

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by WhiteTailAB

Your definition of SJW is horribly wrong, FYI.

Ok

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

As expected you are just looking for a fight, standing on your soapbox spouting trash.
I think your reading comprehension needs work. Insaid 'if you watch cops' and criminals always lie.
Actually you arent worth the effort, you are boring and exhausting. Nevermind.

Criminals always lie? So what criminal record does the homeowner have? Or are you just making another assumption? We are talking about an actual incident that took place in Alberta, not about some television show. You are introducing all kinds of assumptions, that have nothing to do with this incident.