Vaccinations don't cause autism

[pikergolf]

Forcing people to be vaccinated is a pretty slippery slope. I would bet after it happens, forcing people to be computer chipped will be not to far behind.

[ruffy71]

It's obvious how I see vaccines, but I would never vote in favor of a law forcing people to get a vaccine.

But I will make my arguments just as forcefully as those who argue that vaccines are bad or not necessary.

It's a free country.

Spring's coming. Can't wait for the ducks and geese to be sitting in the puddles on our farm, there will be frogs croaking in the ditches. All the snow the past few years, there are sloughs back full that have been dry for decades. Warms my heart.

[bat119]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

forcing people to be computer chipped will be not to far behind.

We are chipped already with DNA the next thing be registering babies at birth into the national data bank

[bessiedog]

Well I would hope that we do t have to force dots either. This problem is very similar to the fact that we in society, with our busy rush rush lives, have access to many narratives from the Internet that were NOT available to people before 2000.

We as. Society have a very tough time determining our ‘truths’.

We need to be better.


Meaningful open discussions like this are very important.

[shootsblanks]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

Due to her having a suppressed immune system, the shots are far less effective for her.



A social contract is whatever humans agree are the conduct rules when they get together bud. Your in a group of two people... you both ‘agree’ to a set of behaviors and expectations ..... hence the idea of a ‘contract’ ... that’s what I’m referring to.

that is unfortunate, my daughter was born with health complications involving one of her kidneys that have caused more than a few trips to the children's hospital and emergency room. so i can empathize.

yes, and if not everyone agrees, it is not much of a contract, if i am in a group of 10 people, and 7 want to eat at subway, but 3 want to eat at a&w, i have no moral authority to force them to eat at subway because it is healthier and the majority agreed to go.

[6.5 shooter]

Every year the AO docs come out argue their right and your wrong.....

[CF8889]

Good timing. Joe Rogan just did a podcast with Pete Hotez and they talked about this exact subject. Give it a listen!

https://youtu.be/dodsGp37M50

[ReconWilly]

Originally Posted by CF8889

Good timing. Joe Rogan just did a podcast with Pete Hotez and they talked about this exact subject. Give it a listen!

https://youtu.be/dodsGp37M50

Joe the "gatekeeper" Rogan?!?

Hilarious!, you do know that he and Alex "gatekeeper" Jones are two peas in a pod right?

They guard the same gate.

Come on bro I thought that you were like all woke and stuff???

https://youtu.be/7PUV9eaMSRY

[CF8889]

Originally Posted by ReconWilly

Joe the "gatekeeper" Rogan?!?

Hilarious!, you do know that he and Alex "gatekeeper" Jones are two peas in a pod right?

They guard the same gate.

Come on bro I thought that you were like all woke and stuff???

https://youtu.be/7PUV9eaMSRY

I don't know what you're saying. But in the AJ episode they talk a bit about the link between schizophrenia and people who believe every conspiracy they see on YouTube....

Not as an insult, but a sincere concern. Please visit a doctor. For your own health.

[Rusty P. Bucket]

I've noticed that when you get a group of people together - the entire lot will sink to the lowest common denominator every time. With the Outdoorsmen the basement is not the limit! The common denominators have regaled us with their opinions, so I shall do no less!

I think this is the direct fallout from the junk/pop science scam from warble gloaming, gender studies, and other fake sciences. Any reasonable data is indistinguishable from the crap spewing from the shysters and axe grinders. Anyone in doubt of this phenomenon would be entertained AND informed by one of the common podcasts of The Z Man - when he delves into the world of Xirl Science. Because of this, we may never know the truth and it pays to be skeptical. Nobody trusts the academic sciences and nor should they - their phony "studies" can be bought for pocket change.

If you're a gambling man - immunize your kids. Most of the microbiology and established scientific theory was done before the age of poz, social justice, and the long march of socialist morons through our institutions. It has withstood the test of time.

Or you could trust the Alberta Outdoorsmen for an informed opinion on the topic.

[urban rednek]

Finally, someone figured out that if you expand the definition, you will get more positive results.

https://calgarysun.com/news/world/fa...6-f99fca52f938

Excerpts from the article:

Co-author of the study, Dr. Laurent Mottron, a professor in the Universite de Montreal’s department of psychiatry said: “The pretend epidemic of autism is related to the inclusion of people less and less different from non-autistics.”
If this continues to occur, “the objective difference between people with autism and the general population will disappear in less than 10 years,” he said.

The worry for Mottron is the definition of autism is being trivialized and has become too “blurry to be meaningful.”

[260 Rem]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

Forcing people to be vaccinated is a pretty slippery slope. I would bet after it happens, forcing people to be computer chipped will be not to far behind.

It should be compulsory for some occupations. I could care less if some people choose to opt out of immunity because in time, Darwin prevails. However, when their lack of immunity affects others, there should be no choice.

[WhiteTailAB]

Originally Posted by urban rednek

Finally, someone figured out that if you expand the definition, you will get more positive results.

https://calgarysun.com/news/world/fa...6-f99fca52f938

Excerpts from the article:

Heard this on the radio today.

However why have they paid out 4 billion to date?

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/n...keep-climbing/

[Maxwell78]

Penn and Tellers opinion on vaccinations

(Language warning)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhk7-5eBCrs

[urban rednek]

Originally Posted by WhiteTailAB

Heard this on the radio today.

However why have they paid out 4 billion to date?

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/n...keep-climbing/

Mostly for allergic reactions to the vaccines. Which can happen with all medications, both prescription and off the shelf products.
Check out the actual HRSA (Health Resources & Services Administration) site that administers the NVICP:
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html

Here is the link from the HRSA site to the .pdf file of the compensation statistics from 1988 to 2017:
https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/f...ugust-2019.pdf

This article from the Science Magazine in 2017 sheds some light on the human error caused issues vs. actual vaccine caused issues:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017...s-fact-fiction

[Glion]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

Forcing people to be vaccinated is a pretty slippery slope. I would bet after it happens, forcing people to be computer chipped will be not to far behind.

I am pro vaccine but definitely not pro forcing people to get one. While I see the logic I just simply don't agree on going that far. Am I willing to risk lives so these people have freedom of choice, yes. Just as others are willing to risk lives of people reacting to the vaccine to save their own life. But the whole forcing people to get it or you go to jail is a joke

[Travco1]

If vaccinations are working . Someone explain to me how when I was in in school I thing we got around eight shots . Now we are at 56 . I think some vacs are important and the rest are probably a money grab . I question everything .
Also if they work so well why are you scared of someone who is not up to date.
The are putting themselves at risk not you. And last I checked its medical freedom to choose just like if I choose to smoke and drink my face off its not or your buisness. Knowing its bad for me .

[260 Rem]

Travco... vaccinations work. Some diseases have been virtually eliminated in Canada (polio). Healthy folks can usually fight off many of the communicable diseases, but those in hospitals, nursing homes etc are at risk so it makes sense to make up-to-date vaccination a condition of employment.
Same applies to military...get the shots or go home.

[tri777]

Why are so many who are using Seafoam in their engines worrying about the carbon build up in
my truck & requiring me to put Seafoam in my Truck also??
If you have Seafoam(Vaccinated) in your engine, then you are protected and my Seafoamed'less engine
should be a none issue for you..are you worried because you fear your Seafoam won't work..

[RandyBoBandy]

Originally Posted by tri777

Why are so many who are using Seafoam in their engines worrying about the carbon build up in
my truck & requiring me to put Seafoam in my Truck also??
If you have Seafoam(Vaccinated) in your engine, then you are protected and my Seafoamed'less engine
should be a none issue for you..are you worried because you fear your Seafoam won't work..

I says PARDON ??

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by Glion

But the whole forcing people to get it or you go to jail is a joke

I hope it stays a joke, unfortunately with some of the utter nonsense that is currently on display, I could see something like this happening.

[tri777]

Originally Posted by RandyBoBandy

I says PARDON ??

People that don't run Anti-virus software in their Computers put all other computers at risk..

[urban rednek]

Originally Posted by tri777

People that don't run Anti-virus software in their Computers put all other computers at risk..

That's true! And a pretty good analogy for those that cannot comprehend the medical explanation for the need for vaccinations.
Good on ya'.

[HighlandHeart]

I can get advice about vaccines from doctors and nurses who trust them enough to vaccinate their own loved ones, or I can get it from conspiracy theorists on the internet and washed up actors. Pretty clear choice in my mind.

[bossmansteve]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Large study just released.

Your summary of this study is very wrong. This study only looked at a single vaccine (MMR), not vaccines in general. The study fails to find evidence to reject the null hypothesis that there is no association between MMR vaccination and increased rates of autism. Failure to prove something does not prove the opposite. Failure to find evidence could easily be due to a flaw with the study (ie. confounding variables not teased out or controlled for). I've seen a bunch of criticisms of this study, such as this one:
https://www.focusforhealth.org/scien...-cohort-study/

Until we know what really causes autism, it's very hard to rule out vaccinations. There are so many unknowns about the human body and so many possible confounding factors.

[raab]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams

Well, there are actually still people who claim the earth is flat. Our government is sending 300, 000. worth of homeopathic medicine to Honduras., would you believe, to fight Chagas disease. Get out of the Western world and superstition is still an important fact of life, apparently here as well.

Grizz

I don’t think we should be downplaying the risk of an adverse reaction with these vaccines. It’s still a medical procedure where your injecting a substance into your body and could have complications. People seem to forget that. FTR both my kids are vaccinated. Although our youngest had a severe reaction to her first shots. We were lucky and found her with a 40 degree temperature. We quickly got her cooled down and gave her Advil. If we hadn’t found her it’s tough to say what would have happened. Just something to think about. It’s my opinion she had the reaction because she received 3 or 4 different vaccines on the same day. If I were to do it again I’d want the nurse to spread them out on the first set.

[raab]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

Forcing people to be vaccinated is a pretty slippery slope. I would bet after it happens, forcing people to be computer chipped will be not to far behind.

What if the chip is in the vaccine? :sarcasm:

[raab]

Originally Posted by Glion

I am pro vaccine but definitely not pro forcing people to get one. While I see the logic I just simply don't agree on going that far. Am I willing to risk lives so these people have freedom of choice, yes. Just as others are willing to risk lives of people reacting to the vaccine to save their own life. But the whole forcing people to get it or you go to jail is a joke

The real scary thing is making it mandatory for kids. If you don’t get them vaccinated, then social services will take them away. That’s a good way to start a civil war. We had a leader in the last provincial election running with a similar type of law in his platform(refused education instead of social services).

[bossmansteve]

One interesting theory is that the aluminum adjuvants used in most vaccines may cause health problems including autism. It's theorized (and there is some evidence demonstrating) that the injected aluminum is not quickly or easily excreted by the body and can get into the brain. Note that MMR, which is the only vaccine studied in the OP's research, is one of the vaccines that does not use an aluminum adjvant.

We did not vaccinate our children as we do not trust the government and pharmaceutical companies (given their terrible historical record) to be correct and honest when they claim that vaccines are safe. And that is what it largely boils down to. Nor do we believe something just because the majority of other people drank the kool-aid. Respectively, these are called appeal to authority and appeal to popularity and both are fallacies.

It is unfortunate that the mainstream consensus is that those who opt out of vaccines are idiots who should die or be imprisoned and are not worthy of any respect. We live in a very polarized world where people cannot tolerate anyone having a different opinion than them anymore and have a strong desire to control or punish everyone they disagree with. If these people disagree with you on politics you are a "racist" or a "nazi", if they disagree with you on vaccines you are "anti-science", if they disagree with you on climate change you are a "denier", if they disagree with you on immigration you are "islamophobic", etc.

Conveniently, the way to destroy the people you disagree with is always by giving more and more power to the government. I wonder where this will lead.

[AndrewM]

Originally Posted by bossmansteve

One interesting theory is that the aluminum adjuvants used in most vaccines may cause health problems including autism. It's theorized (and there is some evidence demonstrating) that the injected aluminum is not quickly or easily excreted by the body and can get into the brain. Note that MMR, which is the only vaccine studied in the OP's research, is one of the vaccines that does not use an aluminum adjvant.

We did not vaccinate our children as we do not trust the government and pharmaceutical companies (given their terrible historical record) to be correct and honest when they claim that vaccines are safe. And that is what it largely boils down to. Nor do we believe something just because the majority of other people drank the kool-aid. Respectively, these are called appeal to authority and appeal to popularity and both are fallacies.

It is unfortunate that the mainstream consensus is that those who opt out of vaccines are idiots who should die or be imprisoned and are not worthy of any respect. We live in a very polarized world where people cannot tolerate anyone having a different opinion than them anymore and have a strong desire to control or punish everyone they disagree with. If these people disagree with you on politics you are a "racist" or a "nazi", if they disagree with you on vaccines you are "anti-science", if they disagree with you on climate change you are a "denier", if they disagree with you on immigration you are "islamophobic", etc.

Conveniently, the way to destroy the people you disagree with is always by giving more and more power to the government. I wonder where this will lead.

May be worth researching how many people in the world die to Diphtheria. Whooping cough (pertussis) Tetanus, Polio, Pneumococcal Disease, Rotavirus, Meningococcal Disease, Mumps, Measles, Rubella.

This isn't about tolerating a different opinion. This is about people who knowingly risk other people's lives. You look a parent in the eyes who just lost a child due to a preventable disease because their child was too young to get immunized and see how it makes you feel. How about those set of parents who let their child die because they didn't believe in medicine?

Since you are against vaccinations, I assume you are against all medicine or do you pick and choose?