Ndp Alberta Gun Registry?

[Cowtown guy]

I just sent a message via e-mail and FaceBook asking what their stance is on the issue. I will post what the answer is when (and more likely if) I receive it.

[J D]

All I have to say is NDP is bad news

[plinker]

Originally Posted by Dick284

The ND's will drive the oil patch into oblivion.
First by taxing the you know what's outta the corporations.
Then by jacking their royalties.
Then by instituting so many hoops and barriers that the cost of doing business will be like paying extortion money to the mob.
You think times are bad now!
It'll take oil being at $125/bbl to cause any interest in Alberta if they ever get in power.
Alberta will be so awash in red ink, but heh the trains will run on time.

I think you are right. I believe that there are many closet greens and anti gun in the NDP and if elected they will come out.

I am at a complete loss as to who to vote for. Prentice is dangerous with power, the Wildrose surrounds itself with idiots, and the NDP are as useless as mammeries on a bull. We are screwed this time no matter who we vote in.

[Suka]

Originally Posted by Cowtown guy

I just sent a message via e-mail and FaceBook asking what their stance is on the issue. I will post what the answer is when (and more likely if) I receive it.

Thanks. I think this is a legitimate question. It's my understanding that if you purchase a prov. nd membership you automatically get a federal one. As I said, I couldn't find anything about policy on the provincial site so looked at the federal site. I haven't read them through, just skimmed; took no time to find this:

From their policy book, section 3.9, item "d": "enable all municipalities, provinces, and territories
to implement a ban on handguns."

Here's the ndp policy book: http://xfer.ndp.ca/2013/policybook/2...licyBook_E.pdf
Here's the ndp constitution: http://xfer.ndp.ca/2013/constitution...TITUTION_E.pdf

[edmhunter]

The only difference between Quebec and Alberta is that Quebec goes Left, while Alberta goes Right and that they speak French and the hunting in Quebec sucks the big one! lol

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by crownb

The oil is still here, alberta still holds the power, the corporations will moan and groan but they will suck it up and stay. In outdoorsman forum terms, if alberta held almost all the hunting opportunities in canada people would come from all over the country to hunt here. Times might get tough for the corporations but it's no different than any other business, make the proper moves and surge forward.

That's what they thought in Pine Point.

How'd it work out for them?

Pine Point main facilities.



Pine Point residential street today.



Trying to push big corporations around seldom works well.

[tirebob]

Originally Posted by crownb

The oil is still here, alberta still holds the power, the corporations will moan and groan but they will suck it up and stay. In outdoorsman forum terms, if alberta held almost all the hunting opportunities in canada people would come from all over the country to hunt here. Times might get tough for the corporations but it's no different than any other business, make the proper moves and surge forward.

Pretty much this...

Anyone who thinks oil companies are going to just pack up and leave is completely deluding themselves. There is nowhere they can go that already has the infastructure already invested and in place like Alberta does, and the decades and decades of investment and time will not just disappear because of a swing of government from just right of center to just left of center.

Absolutely they are going to kick and scream and have a tantrum over it, and just like my kids they might refuse to eat for a little bit, but sooner than later they will be hungry again and come back to the table and eat it, even if it is bit tough to swallow...

Oh... Just so we are clear... I am not an NDP supporter... Facts are facts though...

[propliner]

Originally Posted by H380

Sorry but Rachel looks alot like the "red queen " we just got rid of ..

Boy, does she ever!
I love how the media declares a winner in the televised debate and suddenly everyone is jumping on the NDP bandwagon. Why is it that when the gov starts leaning further and further left that people feel a need to vote in a party that's even further to the left? It's like pouring gas on the fire.

WR may not have the most eloquent speaker in Jean but at least he'll try to cut the fat in our bloated government. He'll try to cut wasteful spending and not supplement the economy by extorting you and your family like Prentice has recently.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by tirebob

Pretty much this...

Anyone who thinks oil companies are going to just pack up and leave is completely deluding themselves. There is nowhere they can go that already has the infastructure already invested and in place like Alberta does, and the decades and decades of investment and time will not just disappear because of a swing of government from just right of center to just left of center.

Absolutely they are going to kick and scream and have a tantrum over it, and just like my kids they might refuse to eat for a little bit, but sooner than later they will be hungry again and come back to the table and eat it, even if it is bit tough to swallow...

Oh... Just so we are clear... I am not an NDP supporter... Facts are facts though...

did you live here in 2008??,,, or1997?

[tirebob]

Originally Posted by hal53

did you live here in 2008??,,, or1997?

Yes...

Everything is temporary and nothing is permanent... When you keep giving into children they keep having tantrums to get their way. If you don't give into them they eventually have to deal with the situation at hand...

As you can tell, I equate a lot of corporations actions to those of petulant children. Quite frankly, they deserve that assessment...

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by propliner

Boy, does she ever!
I love how the media declares a winner in the televised debate and suddenly everyone is jumping on the NDP bandwagon. Why is it that when the gov starts leaning further and further left that people feel a need to vote in a party that's even further to the left? It's like pouring gas on the fire.

WR may not have the most eloquent speaker in Jean but at least he'll try to cut the fat in our bloated government. He'll try to cut wasteful spending and not supplement the economy by extorting you and your family like Prentice has recently.

Jeans plan is relying on pushing back development spending a year or two, and hoping attrition removes some of the unnecessary fat from some government departments, in the meantime he won't raise taxes, but I do seem to recall an article where he said he would borrow to cover the shortfall before raising taxes. A lot of things would have to work as planned for his platform to succeed imo, I feel the same about Notleys plan as well. Prentice is at least practical, though I don't like anything he's really proposed.

Has anyone else noticed how they all plan on balancing the budget at the same time? I think this downturn in oil will be short lived and they're banking on it. The current crunch makes for a better election though.

[brendan's dad]

Maybe the oil companies are not going anywhere but we will definitely see a stand still in growth and expansion if royalties are increased. In 2008 many projects were delayed or cancelled as a result of an economic down turn only. Now we have a down turn forecasted to last longer and you don't think adding increased royalties to the mix is going to have a negative impact?

Those that were recently laid off are hoping to wait out this period and work will increase. With increased royalties those jobs may never come back. All economies are built on growth. Edmonton survives because it grows. Look at the section of land at the corner of 50th and Ellerslie. What were the taxes when it was farm land? What is the city revenue now that it is a subdivision with a Super Walmart.

No work and no one moves here. No one to fill the new house then there is no growth. Lots of the big builder are getting "Spec Homes"" to lock-up with siding and roofing and then moving on. The only homes getting fully completed right now are custom builds which have been ordered and deposit paid.

We will all feel the negative effects of increased royalties, it will be like now and 2008 added together. Any party with increased roalties on the table will not get my vote and I am not even in the oil industry, though I do drive a big truck!

[Ebrand]

The PC party will get back in. Make no mistake about that. Too many Albertans will want to stay with the animal they think they know.

Vote for who you think will be the most effective opposition party. Hope ( big hope ) for a minority government.

Help the PC party learn some manners.

[TOFIC]

NDP policy document- - -
quote
Stopping the smuggling of illegal firearms and
enable all municipalities, provinces, and territories
to implement a ban on handguns.
end quote

I believe this is section 39 subsection D

This clearly states the ND party "can" implement some form(s) of gun control.

As to the different culture statement, note that the federal party is linked to the provincial party. guess who would be pulling the strings on this subject?

it would only take one "incident" for them to really clamp down on the hunting fraternity. the "black guns" would be first in my estimate.

nervous yet?? I am extremely concerned on this issue

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by crownb

The oil is still here, alberta still holds the power, the corporations will moan and groan but they will suck it up and stay. In outdoorsman forum terms, if alberta held almost all the hunting opportunities in canada people would come from all over the country to hunt here. Times might get tough for the corporations but it's no different than any other business, make the proper moves and surge forward.

Exactly, the oil companies will just boost their prices, as they always have, regardless of who is in power. They have been given the "PC" pass for decades, when profits were huge. No one can dispute the fact that the patch generates huge dollars to our overall economy, and they also pay huge wages.

I do not begrudge anyone the money they earn, but lets be honest, we pay for these huge wages every time we pull up to the pumps, no different than we pay for public employees wages, or any other company selling a product. The big difference is other companies have competition and must keep retail prices competitive, oil companies have no competition, they charge what they like to maintain optimum profits.

Adding 1 to 2 percent on corporate taxes would bring Alberta in line with the other provinces in Canada at 11 or 12%, with the exception of the Eastern provinces which are at 15 or 16. People can argue that we would loose the Alberta advantage, but the fact is Big Oil and other corporations know that we have the oil, the money is here, and they aren't going anywhere.

Stating so, like the PC do is just a "ruse" to try and hide the fact that they receive huge dollars from corporations. As I have said before, it is the biggest "kick back" in the country. Who is the only party who plan to ban corporate and UNION donations to political parties..............the NDP.

[Winch101]

Socialists do not want the people to be armed and able to react against
Bad Government . The aim of all socialist regimes is to work towards
A dictatorship . China , Russia , Germany ....Mao ,Stalin , Hitler .....
I don't understand why Canadians are so Dumb when it comes to
History and it's effect on the common man .
Our current government has gone to far to the left and look at the results ,
Croniesim at its worst , Lying , cheating , subterfuge .
We have to get back to the Right , on the Right path , doing the
Right things . Ignore the dishonest and lazy panhandlers and
Special interest groups who would undo our great system .
The left must be crushed .

[crownb]

Originally Posted by bobalong

Exactly, the oil companies will just boost their prices, as they always have, regardless of who is in power. They have been given the "PC" pass for decades, when profits were huge. No one can dispute the fact that the patch generates huge dollars to our overall economy, and they also pay huge wages.

I do not begrudge anyone the money they earn, but lets be honest, we pay for these huge wages every time we pull up to the pumps, no different than we pay for public employees wages, or any other company selling a product. The big difference is other companies have competition and must keep retail prices competitive, oil companies have no competition, they charge what they like to maintain optimum profits.

Adding 1 to 2 percent on corporate taxes would bring Alberta in line with the other provinces in Canada at 11 or 12%, with the exception of the Eastern provinces which are at 15 or 16. People can argue that we would loose the Alberta advantage, but the fact is Big Oil and other corporations know that we have the oil, the money is here, and they aren't going anywhere.

Stating so, like the PC do is just a "ruse" to try and hide the fact that they receive huge dollars from corporations. As I have said before, it is the biggest "kick back" in the country. Who is the only party who plan to ban corporate and UNION donations to political parties..............the NDP.

Yes, to many years of over prices wages have hurt the economy far more, at the end of the day we have to be careful because If big corporations had the ability to suck all of our oil out tomorrow they would, then they would simply leave us with a pile of environmental clean up, they have no loyalty here other than oil, when's it gone they won't care about alberta, as for now they need us.

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by TOFIC

NDP policy document- - -
quote
Stopping the smuggling of illegal firearms and
enable all municipalities, provinces, and territories
to implement a ban on handguns.
end quote

I believe this is section 39 subsection D

This clearly states the ND party "can" implement some form(s) of gun control.

As to the different culture statement, note that the federal party is linked to the provincial party. guess who would be pulling the strings on this subject?

it would only take one "incident" for them to really clamp down on the hunting fraternity. the "black guns" would be first in my estimate.

nervous yet?? I am extremely concerned on this issue

BC had a majority NDP government for years as did Sk. and no mention of gun control or banning, so I wouldn't be to concerned, as history does not support your fears.

[BlackHeart]

I decided to snip a few pieces of the NDP policies. I only got a third of the way through before I got tired of laughing and then throwing up.

These are just the start and should show you just how much state control the NDP would like. These below are of major concern for Albertans.

As someone training in finance and economics, I can tell you that their policies are pure fantasy as they are contradictory, and there is not enough money in the all of our bank accounts to even begin to fund a quarter of their fantasies.

Read it for yourself.....this stuff can't be made up by adults.....a 5 year old would have more financial sense.

a A progressive tax system. (goodbye flat tax)

b Taxing capital gains at the same rate as salaries or wages. (so you get to pay a high level of tax on your savings ....and entrenches never climbing up the net worth ladder)

J Addressing the challenges faced by contract workers, temporary and part-time workers, and those with precarious employment such as artists and the self-employed. (EI for artists???!!!!? And others and TFW???!? Get your head out if your A)

e Implementing the recommendations of the 2004 Pay Equity Task Force and establish a pro-active pay equity regime, enshrined in law. (Equal pay according to who??.....a commission.....like the human rights one that acts like George Orwells 1984? !!!)

e Ensuring that the banks provide reasonable access to credit at fair interest rates. ( have these morons even heard of the "sub-prime" fiasco?)

e Restoring the Canadian Wheat Board as the single desk marketer for wheat and barley. (and who does this benefit????...not AB farmers and their free choice)

c Improving the public sector’s role as a wealth creator and a major provider of jobs. ( has anybody in the NDP even finished high school, never mind opened an economics book or may even a magazine!!! Can somebody go over to their offices and let them know that public sector jobs don't create wealth, they consume it!???)

b Creating a revenue-generating carbon market to ensure industry reduces greenhouse gas emissions to targets set by government. ( if you hated NEP, your going to really need a large tube of lube for this one......and I can just see the subsidies to maintain auto manf. jobs coming out of these dollars)

h Discouraging bulk exports of our unprocessed natural resources and fossil fuels
(goodbye northern gateway and keystone......and most of Alberta's jobs)

e Investing in the development of “green cars”. (will it be rainbow colored and have a unicorn horn on the front of it????)


b Ensuring federal funding provides high-quality, accessible, affordable, non-profit universal child-care services. (not sure why the NDP is so hot to raise my kids on the publics dime???)

I couldn't go any farther, it was getting so I'd have to cut it all out.

Anybody in Alberta that's is even contemplating voting for these FOOLS, is totaling oblivious as to what they really are........Communists.......actually that's not fair to communists.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by bobalong

BC had a majority NDP government for years as did Sk. and no mention of gun control or banning, so I wouldn't be to concerned, as history does not support your fears.

WOW!!!!.... read what Mulcair has stated......
Nobody mentioned it in Germany either until a twerp with a funny moustache thought it would be a good idea.......

[Ricktye]

Originally Posted by bobalong

BC had a majority NDP government for years as did Sk. and no mention of gun control or banning, so I wouldn't be to concerned, as history does not support your fears.

This. Too many PC and big business supporters trying to keep the big bad wolf away is my belief. Not sure the NDP is the answer, but my bet is that in four years, the average Albertan would be no worse off than today with Prentice bending over backwards to big business to ensure continued funds into the PC war chest.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by Ricktye

This. Too many PC and big business supporters trying to keep the big bad wolf away is my belief. Not sure the NDP is the answer, but my bet is that in four years, the average Albertan would be no worse off than today with Prentice bending over backwards to big business to ensure continued funds into the PC war chest.

It doesn't take a PC supporter or a big business supporter (of which I am neither) to see that the NDP will ruin this province as they have done elsewhere...be careful on how much and what you are willing to bet on your "assumption"

[AB2506]

Those advocating for higher royalties: Wow! Talk about living in the past.

I wouldn't be too sure about oil companies spending money here if royalties are raised too high. We sell a good chunk of our oil through the US. A difference from the past is that the US is nearly at oil self sufficiency. They don't need our oil as much as they once did. Their oil is generally also cheaper to produce.

There is more oil than current demand worldwide.

I'd be careful demanding higher royalties, as some have said, the investment maybe slow to come back this time.

Now is not the time to gamble with the NDP.

[fn1949]

Originally Posted by TOFIC

NDP policy document- - -
quote
Stopping the smuggling of illegal firearms and
enable all municipalities, provinces, and territories
to implement a ban on handguns.
end quote

I believe this is section 39 subsection D

This clearly states the ND party "can" implement some form(s) of gun control.

As to the different culture statement, note that the federal party is linked to the provincial party. guess who would be pulling the strings on this subject?

it would only take one "incident" for them to really clamp down on the hunting fraternity. the "black guns" would be first in my estimate.

nervous yet?? I am extremely concerned on this issue

That policy is the federal NDP policy. the provincal level does not have that kind of power as firearms policies are a federal issue.

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by crownb

Yes, to many years of over prices wages have hurt the economy far more, at the end of the day we have to be careful because If big corporations had the ability to suck all of our oil out tomorrow they would, then they would simply leave us with a pile of environmental clean up, they have no loyalty here other than oil, when's it gone they won't care about alberta, as for now they need us.

The NDP has a fairly encompassing environmental platform with plans to work with the oil, power, farmers, and small companies and provide assistance to improve the environment in Alberta.

I do not believe that oil companies have a lot of loyalty to the province either, but I am from a small community and the oil companies there have been excellent with support for the community.

I stated before that the NDP were the only party that was going to ban corporate and union donations but I see the WR is supporting this as well.

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by hal53

WOW!!!!.... read what Mulcair has stated......
Nobody mentioned it in Germany either until a twerp with a funny moustache thought it would be a good idea.......

Mulcair is a bonehead, and under his leadership the Federal NDP will go no where. I was talking provincially where there has been no appetite for gun control on the prairies, that seems to be a Liberal thing, and as I mentioned before I don't even really consider them a party in Alberta.

[DiabeticKripple]

raising the royalties and corporate tax right now would only kick the industry in the balls while its already on the ground. if the NDP want to create jobs they would realize that doing these 2 things would decrease companies cash flow, leading to less hiring.

not to mention all the other corps who would just pass this increase onto the consumer.

i think Rachel has her heart in the right place, but her ideas will only hurt alberta.

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by H380

Sorry but Rachel looks alot like the "red queen " we just got rid of ..

This potential queen is much more adaptable than Ol' Red.

While I am glad that many caught on to my naming of Redford as the "Red Queen", I suspect that few understand the reasoning for this moniker.

Remember little Alice in Through the Looking Glass and Alice in Wonderland. The Red Queen displays her powers of rapid repositioning to increase her chances for survival. The Red Queen (in Chess) can and will move as many spaces in any direction in order to win the game.

This is the "Red Queen Hypotheses", an evolutionary hypothesis where "organisms must constantly adapt, evolve, and proliferate not merely to gain reproductive advantage, but also simply to survive while pitted against ever-evolving opposing organisms in an ever-changing environment."


I have a hunch that Notley will prove to be much more adaptable and agile than Redford.



There is saying of "life imitating art".... well...

Alice discovered this alternative world by examining a mirror....

[Mackinaw]

Originally Posted by Suka

Was thinking about this, this morning. The ndp make no bones about being rabidly anti-gun. I could't find anything about policy on the Ab. ndp site, then remembered reading it's all one party so looked at the fed. site.

With Quebec wanting to start their own gun registry come hell or high water, why wouldn't a potential Alberta ndp gov't do the same in concert with Quebec?

Originally Posted by Ricktye

Although anything is possible, I believe its a completely different society and way of life here in Alberta compared to Quebec. Course you could find some diehard PC's using this train of thought to provoke fear mongering I suppose.

I do agree there seams to be some fear mongering but it is coming from a WR supporter that sounlds like he is losing faith in Mr Jeans ability......

Mack

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

That's what they thought in Pine Point.

How'd it work out for them?
Trying to push big corporations around seldom works well.

Never heard of Pine Point NWT so I looked it up. It appears this was a one industry town built to mine lead and zinc (closed in 1987), and was one of the most profitable in Canadian history. The mine/town closed because of the cost of maintaining the town, exhaustion of near plant resources, and low metal prices.

Could not see where anyone was pushed around, and in fact another company with newer technologies is planning on mining the site again as there are 35 known mineable deposits.