Czech nymphing

[MtnGiant]

Just wondering how many of you practice this technique?
I know there are several different styles.
How successful are you at it?

[Dust1n]

I was practising this with someone who was very fimilar with that type of nymphing on the bow river a few weeks ago. Its a differnt verson called Euro-Nymphing. Its a bit of a mix but I can see how it can be very effective, I never got into any fish but i pulled up many sticks. I was doing czech nymphing on onion creek after we caught hundreds of tiny cutts on dries and it got boring so we started switching up differnt things we never tried.
Deffinitly not the way to fish alberta though

[MtnGiant]

Originally Posted by Fish Hunter7

I was practising this with someone who was very fimilar with that type of nymphing on the bow river a few weeks ago. Its a differnt verson called Euro-Nymphing. Its a bit of a mix but I can see how it can be very effective, I never got into any fish but i pulled up many sticks. I was doing czech nymphing on onion creek after we caught hundreds of tiny cutts on dries and it got boring so we started switching up differnt things we never tried.
Deffinitly not the way to fish alberta though

Dont think I agree with that....I know a few dudes who czech nymph in AB.
And Im pretty sure it will be a technique used in the Worlds Fly Fishing Contest here in Sept. (taking place on the Bow R)

[EP2]

Everything you wanted to know about different European methods of short line/long leader nymphing (but were afraid to ask)...
http://www.bluequillangler.com/Knowl...mphing-Methods

[Bhflyfisher]

Originally Posted by mtngiant

Dont think I agree with that....I know a few dudes who czech nymph in AB.
And Im pretty sure it will be a technique used in the Worlds Fly Fishing Contest here in Sept. (taking place on the Bow R)

It has its time and place. The ones who have it nailed will pull fish after fish out of anywhere, regardless of location. Simply put, trout eat nymphs on a regular basis. Whether or not the angler sucks at the certain technique, is another story. "not effective in alberta" ya right.

Pretty sure there is a no indicator rule in almost all fly fishing contests, again regardless of location. Again, those who have the technique down will succeed, those who dont, wont.

[Lornce]

Actually an indicator is not needed as the method keeps a tight line between fly and rod, I use it often in conjunction with other nymphing techniques.

[Lornce]

Actually an indicator is not needed as the method keeps a tight line between fly and rod, I use it often in conjunction with other nymphing techniques. It actually reminds me more of the older nymphing systems per indicator.

[Dust1n]

Originally Posted by Bhflyfisher

It has its time and place. The ones who have it nailed will pull fish after fish out of anywhere, regardless of location. Simply put, trout eat nymphs on a regular basis. Whether or not the angler sucks at the certain technique, is another story. "not effective in alberta" ya right.

Pretty sure there is a no indicator rule in almost all fly fishing contests, again regardless of location. Again, those who have the technique down will succeed, those who dont, wont.

Never said its not effective because it is very effective. I said its not the way to fish alberta because when your using a small 2-3wt rod and 7x tippit for the bow its not that ethical. But your seeing almost everyone of your strikes versing waiting for your indicator to move. not to mention its alot more fun to watch the fish come up to the surface.

[Bhflyfisher]

Originally Posted by Fish Hunter7

Never said its not effective because it is very effective. I said its not the way to fish alberta because when your using a small 2-3wt rod and 7x tippit for the bow its not that ethical. But your seeing almost everyone of your strikes versing waiting for your indicator to move. not to mention its alot more fun to watch the fish come up to the surface.

You can czech nymph with any rod, your gear doesnt limit you, Only YOU limit YOU. You can also go to heavier tippet if needed. There are no czech nymphing gear rules set in stone. Its a technique. A 2-3wt rod isnt crucial, and neither is 7x tippet. Gear requirements arent set in stone, in fact its better to be versatile in all techniques with different gear. There isnt a be all end all method to any technique, be it czech, euro, or standard.

[Albertafisher]

Another cool euro nymph technique is French, it sometimes utilizes a coil indicator. Personally I think it would be cool to try it out in some small Jasper streams. European nymphing has its time and place, but personally I like indicators. Thought you guys might be interested. Here's a few diagrams and links on French nymphing and how to make your own coil leaders. I think I'll make myself a few haha

How to make a coil leader
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJTeG-MBOP0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1LNZqJDftY

[Dust1n]

Originally Posted by Bhflyfisher

You can czech nymph with any rod, your gear doesnt limit you, Only YOU limit YOU. You can also go to heavier tippet if needed. There are no czech nymphing gear rules set in stone. Its a technique. A 2-3wt rod isnt crucial, and neither is 7x tippet. Gear requirements arent set in stone, in fact its better to be versatile in all techniques with different gear. There isnt a be all end all method to any technique, be it czech, euro, or standard.

I cant see how effective using a 7-8ft rod would give you an advantage or using a 6wt because when you set that hook there is little slack which in return you will be pulling the hook from the fish. when your going up in tippit size it creates more drag and your flies dont get down as fast but tippit is really small in the first place. you want your flies to get down as fast as possible because you dont have the luxary of casting out 20-30 feet with your indicator, that is why a longer rod gives you an advantage. Im not a pro at it and iv only practised it once with a guy who knows what hes doing. but iv fooled around doing variaiotns of it.

[biggamehunter]

@albertafisher @bhflyfisher I heard Lithuanian style nymphing is the next big thing

[Bhflyfisher]

Originally Posted by Fish Hunter7

I cant see how effective using a 7-8ft rod would give you an advantage or using a 6wt because when you set that hook there is little slack which in return you will be pulling the hook from the fish. when your going up in tippit size it creates more drag and your flies dont get down as fast but tippit is really small in the first place. you want your flies to get down as fast as possible because you dont have the luxary of casting out 20-30 feet with your indicator, that is why a longer rod gives you an advantage. Im not a pro at it and iv only practised it once with a guy who knows what hes doing. but iv fooled around doing variaiotns of it.

I dont know who you're talking to that uses a 7-8ft rod on a regular basis. But thats not 99% of the average fly fisherman out there.

Can you fish streamers with a 3wt? Yes you can, if you know how to do it. You can make it work. Can you fish type 6 sinktips with a 2wt? Yes you can. You can do anything you want with gear. Can you fish size 16 dries with a 7/8wt? Yes you can. If you're versatile, you will make it work.

Many companies make 10'+length 4wt rods, and 5wt rods. It can all be done. Only you limit yourself, gear doesnt limit you. If you're saying your gear is limiting you, you're just making excuses. You're basically saying there is a be all end all setup to fishing any style of nymphing. Many companies european nymph rods are 4 weights. A long 4wt is PLENTY to handle any fish in the bow.

Tippet size from 4x-7x may limit your sink rate by a nano second. Nothing more tungsten added to your fly cant fix. A good 4x tippet nowadays is rated to 7lb test.

[Lornce]

Originally Posted by Albertafisher

Another cool euro nymph technique is French, it sometimes utilizes a coil indicator. Personally I think it would be cool to try it out in some small Jasper streams. European nymphing has its time and place, but personally I like indicators. Thought you guys might be interested. Here's a few diagrams and links on French nymphing and how to make your own coil leaders. I think I'll make myself a few haha

How to make a coil leader
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJTeG-MBOP0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1LNZqJDftY

Gave those a try but just didn't work well for me. I could certainly see see it the concept is good.

[Swede]

Yes I Czech nymph all the time in AB waters. Have been for about 20 years or so, long before I ever heard the term Czech nymphing.

I find its a deadly technique whenever I need to get my nymphs to the bottom fast like in the first few feet of the drift.

Great for faster mountain streams

[MtnGiant]

I really like the czech nymph flies cause they are self weighted.

Just getting into tying them myself and plan on practicing this technique alot this season.

I've heard its hard to master the techniques

[Don Andersen]

So someone finally named it!

When I was a kid<> 50 years ago, a lot of maggots or a Hellgramite ( now renamed Golden stone nymph) on a # 8 hook c/w a couple of lead shot on a 6 lb. test mono which was lobed by a 8 1/2'glass fly rod worked magic.
So somebody substited a 2>4 wt line and incredibly heavy nymphs and it's now got a name.
Who'd thought bait fishing was now a acceptable technique.
Holly crap - next thing somebody will re-invent the worm!

Catch ya'


Don

[MtnGiant]

Originally Posted by Don Andersen

So someone finally named it!

When I was a kid<> 50 years ago, a lot of maggots or a Hellgramite ( now renamed Golden stone nymph) on a # 8 hook c/w a couple of lead shot on a 6 lb. test mono which was lobed by a 8 1/2'glass fly rod worked magic.
So somebody substited a 2>4 wt line and incredibly heavy nymphs and it's now got a name.
Who'd thought bait fishing was now a acceptable technique.
Holly crap - next thing somebody will re-invent the worm!

Catch ya'


Don

Your not really comparing the same thing.....
There is more to czech nymphing than chuckn a weighted fly and lettin it drift downstream.
And btw,,,,the worm has bin re-invented several times

[Don Andersen]

Mtn...


While not EXACTLY the same thing, they certainly kissing cousins and their off spring is Czech nymphing.
Still, less that a 1/4" from bait fishing.


Don

[MtnGiant]

Originally Posted by Don Andersen

Mtn...


While not EXACTLY the same thing, they certainly kissing cousins and their off spring is Czech nymphing.
Still, less that a 1/4" from bait fishing.


Don

Still dont agree....unless one thinks in a generalized sense...then I get your point.
Your more describing "Drift" fishing or "bottom bouncing" I think.
But its neither here nor there.....All fishn is awesome.

[MtnGiant]

Originally Posted by EP2

Everything you wanted to know about different European methods of short line/long leader nymphing (but were afraid to ask)...
http://www.bluequillangler.com/Knowl...mphing-Methods

Great post....thanks

[grinr]

Originally Posted by mtngiant

And btw,,,,the worm has bin re-invented several times

Yes,re-invented?
When I was a kid we called it a bobber and worm.Now people tie a strip of chennille to a hook,changed the name from bobber to indicator,and call it flyfishing.

[Albertafisher]

Originally Posted by biggamehunter

@albertafisher @bhflyfisher I heard Lithuanian style nymphing is the next big thing

Actually I'm really getting into it this year. I heard its really fun!

[grinr]

Originally Posted by Albertafisher

Actually I'm really getting into it this year. I heard its really fun!

And all these years I thought I was tightline nymphing when I was actually Euroczechespanolafrancais nymphing?Who'da thunk it??

[Albertafisher]

Originally Posted by grinr

And all these years I thought I was tightline nymphing when I was actually Euroczechespanolafrancais nymphing?Who'da thunk it??

I think they call that Estonian nymphing with a hint of the Polish style. But who knows, it could just be Romanian.

[Lornce]

Originally Posted by grinr

And all these years I thought I was tightline nymphing when I was actually Euroczechespanolafrancais nymphing?Who'da thunk it??

What old is new again.

[jeprli]

There is a fair difference between czech and french technique. Flies, leader length and so on. I don't practice these techniques as i enjoy practising and using actual casting of the flyline.

Btw anyone familiar with italian TLT style of fly fishing, i've read about it and think i will give it a try on mountain streams this summer.
You basicaly use running line instead of a tapered line for dry fly fishing.

[smitty9]

For a guy who likes to use worm imitations (re: fancy name "chironomidus bloodwormius") while fishing Beaver Lake, I'd say its pretty rich comment from you about bait fishing.

Folks, no matter how you dress it up, all of Flyfishing is a so-called 1/4" away from bait fishing, if the debate happens to turn your crank. No difference between dry fly / nymph/ wet fly / streamer / deer hair spun mouse imitations, we're all "baiting" (whoops, better word is "inducing") the trout to bite the hook.

Then it gets even more funny when us flyfisher types truly choose to draw a line between an adult insect imitation (the "acceptable" dry fly method) versus a larval/pupal/nymphal stage (those dastardly worm fishers!). Seems pretty damn arbitrary...also ties in with how some nymph fisherman feel better about themselves because they don't use an "indicator" / "bobber". So now nymph fishing has devolved into 2 distinct tiers; the "superior" "bobberless" "fish-whisperer feel the take via 6th sense" type, and the "duck dynasty" bobber flyfisherman. It rather hilarious, don't you think?

But, carry on, I know us fly-fisher types love ping-ponging this topic back and forth...(me included)



Smitty

P.S. Anyhoo, Lornce said it best "what was old is now new"...I care not for names myself, just always trying to develop skills and methods appropriate to the quarry, time, place, and conditions etc.

[jeprli]

Well said smitty!

[Don Andersen]

Holly crap Smitty,

I even fish bloodworms under a bobber recognizing all the while it a poor imitation of bait fishing.
So there ya' go - once a bait fisherman always a bait fisherman. And to complete the delusion, I use a wooden pole.
But I did buy a pair of breathable waders last year. Doesn't that count for something.
When you all coming down to count Otters with me? Lots hanging around!

Don