US Covid19 pandemic blowing up...how bad will it get?

[jungleboy]

Am I the only person who thinks that maybe there just might possibly be an outside chance that this blowing up of cases could be related to the “ peaceful” protests and peaceful rioting and looting that was been happening south of the border over the past several weeks?

If that is the case can someone tell me what sort of wonderful leadership waiting in the wings can stop people from being self destructive mental cases?

Tinfoil hat time.... dems loving every minute of this new opportunity to pin it on the evil DJT. Did they even perhaps encourage it in some places?

I watched one of those street interviews a month or so back where they asked people in NYC if having a million people die from the virus would be worth it if it meant Trump would lose the next election. Shocking the number of people that were okay with that scenario.

Hatred drives people to crazy evil thought processes.

[bessiedog]

Good post. It’s possible man.

What a terrible thing if your right though.

[Jigsalot]

Originally Posted by jungleboy

Am I the only person who thinks that maybe there just might possibly be an outside chance that this blowing up of cases could be related to the “ peaceful” protests and peaceful rioting and looting that was been happening south of the border over the past several weeks?

If that is the case can someone tell me what sort of wonderful leadership waiting in the wings can stop people from being self destructive mental cases?

Tinfoil hat time.... dems loving every minute of this new opportunity to pin it on the evil DJT. Did they even perhaps encourage it in some places?

I watched one of those street interviews a month or so back where they asked people in NYC if having a million people die from the virus would be worth it if it meant Trump would lose the next election. Shocking the number of people that were okay with that scenario.

Hatred drives people to crazy evil thought processes.

I agree with you about the protests. I also think in 2 weeks from now the country will see 70 thousand new cases a day. Crazy how they just don’t care

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by EZM

Infections per Capita

US - 9926 cases /1million - 6th highest in the World

Canada - 2853 cases / 1 million 54th in World

Why is Canada's death rate at 8.2% while the US is at 4.5%?

[jungleboy]

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[HVA7mm]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

Why is Canada's death rate at 8.2% while the US is at 4.5%?

I'm not sure. Maybe Canada doesn't look after it's citizens as good as we and most others think it does. Case in point Canada around 106K cases of Covid 19 with around 8700 deaths. Singapore almost 45k confirmed cases and only 26 deaths. Canada's population density is around 4 people per sq km, Singapore is almost 8400 per sq km. I dunno.

[Gade81]

Originally Posted by JamesB

Sure, but please ignore what happened in Quebec.

By that metric, ignore the democratic states and suddenly they hardly have a problem

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Gade81

By that metric, ignore the democratic states and suddenly they hardly have a problem

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

So chucky ... does a us hospital administrator, 3 us nurses, a doctor and several more beat your spread of ‘legitimate opinions?’

Several have dual citizenship and some are considering sending their kids here....

Let’s just throw annecdotal experts at each other.

Good god man.

Anyone that has to go into a room with a covid patient takes it very seriously.

[Kurt505]

So I spent the weekend with a couple doctors, one worked in the ICU at the Mazinkowski and the other was a cardiac surgeon there. We talked about a lot of things, and of course one of those things was covid. They said the people who are dying are sick people, like people who were sick before they got covid. This covid thing is blown up by the media. Some people are dying of other causes and the cause of death is being labeled covid. This is coming from two men who are “in the know”.

On a side note, the group of guys I was with are very successful men, they come from countries that have been torn apart by war, they lived through corrupt governments so they can see the tyranny. They hate trudeau and like Trump. They said Trump is the best president for the US since Kennedy. If people don’t wake up and put an end to the socialists/liberal/democrats, the US, then Canada will be thrust into a civil war by next year. They said it happens so fast that by the time you realize it’s coming, it’s already too late. There are forces out there that are going to conquer by division, they are setting up North America to destroy itself, brother vs brother until we are beat down, then they are going to walk in and take control. Democracy will be gone, a dictatorship will rule.

They came to North America because everyone was allowed to be who they are as far as race and religion are concerned, now they see the “anti racism” movements that are going on as exactly the opposite of what they claim they are doing. It’s dividing us, it’s all a sham. I’m just a dumb redneck but I’ve been saying this exact same thing since covid first started. I said it was being blown up and exaggerated by the media, I said the George Floyd and Allan Adam had nothing to do with race, but there are forces like antifa that are driving the panic and chaos, backed by the liberals, democrats, and media. They are creating a false reality and the ones who are asleep can’t see it coming.


Now excuse me while I find my tinfoil hat.

[Sundancefisher]

US is taking it very serious in some respects.

“As U.S. buys up remdesivir, ‘vaccine nationalism’ threatens access to COVID-19 treatments

Are we really all in this together? ‘Vaccine nationalism’ must be addressed to ensure equitable distribution of a COVID-19 vaccine. PIXABAY

At the end of June, the United States government announced that it had secured the entire supply of remdesivir, an antiviral drug that shortens hospital stays for COVID-19 patients, until September.

And in March, there were reports that Donald Trump’s administration tried to buy a German company working on a COVID-19 vaccine in order to secure the entire supply for the U.S.

It certainly doesn’t seem that “we’re all in this together” — it’s looking more and more like a dog-eat-dog world.”

So the point is. The US is locking the world out of drugs and vaccines. Trump is trying to down play the disease while hoping for a back door win. He wants to pump up the danger only after he can take credit for the cure.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

So I spent the weekend with a couple doctors, one worked in the ICU at the Mazinkowski and the other was a cardiac surgeon there. We talked about a lot of things, and of course one of those things was covid. They said the people who are dying are sick people, like people who were sick before they got covid. This covid thing is blown up by the media. Some people are dying of other causes and the cause of death is being labeled covid. This is coming from two men who are “in the know”.

On a side note, the group of guys I was with are very successful men, they come from countries that have been torn apart by war, they lived through corrupt governments so they can see the tyranny. They hate trudeau and like Trump. They said Trump is the best president for the US since Kennedy. If people don’t wake up and put an end to the socialists/liberal/democrats, the US, then Canada will be thrust into a civil war by next year. They said it happens so fast that by the time you realize it’s coming, it’s already too late. There are forces out there that are going to conquer by division, they are setting up North America to destroy itself, brother vs brother until we are beat down, then they are going to walk in and take control. Democracy will be gone, a dictatorship will rule.

They came to North America because everyone was allowed to be who they are as far as race and religion are concerned, now they see the “anti racism” movements that are going on as exactly the opposite of what they claim they are doing. It’s dividing us, it’s all a sham. I’m just a dumb redneck but I’ve been saying this exact same thing since covid first started. I said it was being blown up and exaggerated by the media, I said the George Floyd and Allan Adam had nothing to do with race, but there are forces like antifa that are driving the panic and chaos, backed by the liberals, democrats, and media. They are creating a false reality and the ones who are asleep can’t see it coming.


Now excuse me while I find my tinfoil hat.

Would that be Dr. Gurmeet Singh and Dr. Jeevan or Dr. Jayan Nagendran

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Would that be Dr. Gurmeet Singh and Dr. Jeevan or Dr. Jayan Nagendran

No, it wasn’t any of them.

[comaderek]

All I can say is that this pandemic has brought the USA a few rungs down on how the rest of the world sees them . It is great to see that Canada has flattened the curve and in my home province I am enjoying the relaxing of restrictions that allows us to get closer to a normal life again without huge fears of getting infected. If Trump wants to build a wall on the border how about he does it on his north border not to stop people from coming in but to stop people coming north. How about he make it out of Aluminum?

Please rise and listen to the new US national anthem !!

And the virus red glare, the pandemic is bursting in air
Gave proof thru the night that the virus is still there
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the stupid and the home of Covid 19!!!

Play ball!!

[EZM]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

Why is Canada's death rate at 8.2% while the US is at 4.5%?

Good question - people have said it before but no one explained the math ........ so here we go ....... I will do my best to explain how I understand it.

Canada's infection curve has flattened and the US infection rate is still increasing.

It is NOT a statistical anomaly when you look at the death rates being roughly 2/1 Canada versus the US and see precisely the same ratio on resolved cases (twice as many resolved versus active cases).

That is not a coincidence.

Statistics and mathematics on a lagging measurement (deaths) from a prerequisite event (initial infection).

That basically indicates we are likely to end up pretty close in death rates when this finally ends.

Makes sense.

[Gade81]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

So I spent the weekend with a couple doctors, one worked in the ICU at the Mazinkowski and the other was a cardiac surgeon there. We talked about a lot of things, and of course one of those things was covid. They said the people who are dying are sick people, like people who were sick before they got covid. This covid thing is blown up by the media. Some people are dying of other causes and the cause of death is being labeled covid. This is coming from two men who are “in the know”.



On a side note, the group of guys I was with are very successful men, they come from countries that have been torn apart by war, they lived through corrupt governments so they can see the tyranny. They hate trudeau and like Trump. They said Trump is the best president for the US since Kennedy. If people don’t wake up and put an end to the socialists/liberal/democrats, the US, then Canada will be thrust into a civil war by next year. They said it happens so fast that by the time you realize it’s coming, it’s already too late. There are forces out there that are going to conquer by division, they are setting up North America to destroy itself, brother vs brother until we are beat down, then they are going to walk in and take control. Democracy will be gone, a dictatorship will rule.



They came to North America because everyone was allowed to be who they are as far as race and religion are concerned, now they see the “anti racism” movements that are going on as exactly the opposite of what they claim they are doing. It’s dividing us, it’s all a sham. I’m just a dumb redneck but I’ve been saying this exact same thing since covid first started. I said it was being blown up and exaggerated by the media, I said the George Floyd and Allan Adam had nothing to do with race, but there are forces like antifa that are driving the panic and chaos, backed by the liberals, democrats, and media. They are creating a false reality and the ones who are asleep can’t see it coming.





Now excuse me while I find my tinfoil hat.

This exactly. Unfortunately so many can’t see the forest through the trees. Buying into the media hysteria, exactly as intended. On both fronts. Covid and racism.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

No, it wasn’t any of them.

Ok. Who was it then?

[bessiedog]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

So I spent the weekend with a couple doctors, one worked in the ICU at the Mazinkowski and the other was a cardiac surgeon there. We talked about a lot of things, and of course one of those things was covid. They said the people who are dying are sick people, like people who were sick before they got covid. This covid thing is blown up by the media. Some people are dying of other causes and the cause of death is being labeled covid. This is coming from two men who are “in the know”.

On a side note, the group of guys I was with are very successful men, they come from countries that have been torn apart by war, they lived through corrupt governments so they can see the tyranny. They hate trudeau and like Trump. They said Trump is the best president for the US since Kennedy. If people don’t wake up and put an end to the socialists/liberal/democrats, the US, then Canada will be thrust into a civil war by next year. They said it happens so fast that by the time you realize it’s coming, it’s already too late. There are forces out there that are going to conquer by division, they are setting up North America to destroy itself, brother vs brother until we are beat down, then they are going to walk in and take control. Democracy will be gone, a dictatorship will rule.

They came to North America because everyone was allowed to be who they are as far as race and religion are concerned, now they see the “anti racism” movements that are going on as exactly the opposite of what they claim they are doing. It’s dividing us, it’s all a sham. I’m just a dumb redneck but I’ve been saying this exact same thing since covid first started. I said it was being blown up and exaggerated by the media, I said the George Floyd and Allan Adam had nothing to do with race, but there are forces like antifa that are driving the panic and chaos, backed by the liberals, democrats, and media. They are creating a false reality and the ones who are asleep can’t see it coming.


Now excuse me while I find my tinfoil hat.

I got AHS family and US family tellin me the opposite.

Who to believe is difficult in this I guess.

Now there’s the Mis...... hospital spreads concern me a bit.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

US is taking it very serious in some respects.

“As U.S. buys up remdesivir, ‘vaccine nationalism’ threatens access to COVID-19 treatments

Are we really all in this together? ‘Vaccine nationalism’ must be addressed to ensure equitable distribution of a COVID-19 vaccine. PIXABAY

At the end of June, the United States government announced that it had secured the entire supply of remdesivir, an antiviral drug that shortens hospital stays for COVID-19 patients, until September.

And in March, there were reports that Donald Trump’s administration tried to buy a German company working on a COVID-19 vaccine in order to secure the entire supply for the U.S.

It certainly doesn’t seem that “we’re all in this together” — it’s looking more and more like a dog-eat-dog world.”

So the point is. The US is locking the world out of drugs and vaccines. Trump is trying to down play the disease while hoping for a back door win. He wants to pump up the danger only after he can take credit for the cure.

The US, under its current leadership, has shown to be a less than credible partner in any dealings, and Remdesivir is only the latest screwing over its given Canada. Thankfully we will be keeping the border closed for the foreseeable future as the US shows that's it's incapable of understanding or dealing with their health crisis. Hats off to Trudeau for not going down for Trumps NAFTA photo op.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Ok. Who was it then?

PM sent

[Big Grey Wolf]

My explanation on the death rate. Alberta rate was only ~2% because we had the highest testing in North America. I believe Quebecs very poor handling of Covid-19 totally exaggerated our Canadian numbers to 8%.
Countries like Korea that have proper testing rates find most of the cases, the rest like US and Trump are living in La La Land.

[bessiedog]

Whelp...

Tropical Trumpy just admits he’s contracted it.


This should be entertaining.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

I got AHS family and US family tellin me the opposite.

Who to believe is difficult in this I guess.

Now there’s the Mis...... hospital spreads concern me a bit.

Me also

General message.

Diabetes and obesity very bad.
Other conditions problematic
Some people get it bad and no one can reason why and regardless of age

General concern is with flooding the hospitals and making ICU beds limited which in turn affects everyone needing them from heart to cancer to infants.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

Whelp...

Tropical Trumpy just admits he’s contracted it.


This should be entertaining.

say it aint so...Brazilians are immune to it...according to his words months ago...maybe he is just hungover....

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

I got AHS family and US family tellin me the opposite.

Who to believe is difficult in this I guess.

Now there’s the Mis...... hospital spreads concern me a bit.

depends on who has the best tasting Kool-Aid?

[EZM]

Originally Posted by chuck

Good grief man. One is a Doctor, one a Lawyer, one a university professor, one a Physio therapist, one a Nurse and the list goes on. They have a bit of a clue of what’s going on. Their perception is in STARK contrast to yours. Maybe you should listen to your son.

Not sure what the doctor, lawyer, professor comment is about but that's largely irrelevant.

My perspectives are based on data driven information. I take exceptional measures to research and scrutinize sources. I'm not saying I'm always right, because I'm not, but I don't repeat talking points and empty anecdotes. I also have some life experience my son doesn't and he needs to consider what I'm saying and make up his own mind. He also knows I wouldn't feed him BS or ever to try and steer him wrong.

Either way - I think you missed my point. What I was saying to him was not to be selfish. Even he knows that as healthy adults most of our family will not likely die if we contract the virus but that doesn't mean we can just go on like it's no concern. We need to take precautions so we don't inadvertently infect a neighbor, someone's grandma, some ones little brother, etc... who may be vulnerable to the virus and die from it.

Honestly, It's really not that complicated. I don't see why so many people are constantly repeating talking points and not looking at the facts and data. The same data that's coming from the same administration - and it's clear. I don't understand it. I guess people will believe what they want to believe and facts have become irrelevant - crazy - what 4 years has done to us as a society.

He needs to do his part and stop blowing this off like it's no big deal. This is killing people.

The economy argument he gave me is also turning out to be an empty shell. The higher infection rates we have are a result of the US opening up to early in the name of the economy and now, the added infections will overwhelm the health care systems and actually hurt the economy over the long run.

Only time will tell on that one - but it's headed that way in the US - they will have a longer, more deadly run, and have greater period of recovery compared to other jurisdictions who buttoned down early and are slowly and carefully opening up. They blew it. I guess we will see about this one - the economic numbers will tell us in a few months to a year I guess.

[Scott h]

What's happening right now in Arizona......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSKTnpDYgGs

[Talking moose]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

So I spent the weekend with a couple doctors, one worked in the ICU at the Mazinkowski and the other was a cardiac surgeon there. We talked about a lot of things, and of course one of those things was covid. They said the people who are dying are sick people, like people who were sick before they got covid. This covid thing is blown up by the media. Some people are dying of other causes and the cause of death is being labeled covid. This is coming from two men who are “in the know”.

On a side note, the group of guys I was with are very successful men, they come from countries that have been torn apart by war, they lived through corrupt governments so they can see the tyranny. They hate trudeau and like Trump. They said Trump is the best president for the US since Kennedy. If people don’t wake up and put an end to the socialists/liberal/democrats, the US, then Canada will be thrust into a civil war by next year. They said it happens so fast that by the time you realize it’s coming, it’s already too late. There are forces out there that are going to conquer by division, they are setting up North America to destroy itself, brother vs brother until we are beat down, then they are going to walk in and take control. Democracy will be gone, a dictatorship will rule.

They came to North America because everyone was allowed to be who they are as far as race and religion are concerned, now they see the “anti racism” movements that are going on as exactly the opposite of what they claim they are doing. It’s dividing us, it’s all a sham. I’m just a dumb redneck but I’ve been saying this exact same thing since covid first started. I said it was being blown up and exaggerated by the media, I said the George Floyd and Allan Adam had nothing to do with race, but there are forces like antifa that are driving the panic and chaos, backed by the liberals, democrats, and media. They are creating a false reality and the ones who are asleep can’t see it coming.


Now excuse me while I find my tinfoil hat.

This. All......day........long.

[Talking moose]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

Whelp...

Tropical Trumpy just admits he’s contracted it.


This should be entertaining.

Really? Oh nvm. Brazilian dude...

[EZM]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

So I spent the weekend with a couple doctors, one worked in the ICU at the Mazinkowski and the other was a cardiac surgeon there. We talked about a lot of things, and of course one of those things was covid. They said the people who are dying are sick people, like people who were sick before they got covid. This covid thing is blown up by the media. Some people are dying of other causes and the cause of death is being labeled covid. This is coming from two men who are “in the know”.

On a side note, the group of guys I was with are very successful men, they come from countries that have been torn apart by war, they lived through corrupt governments so they can see the tyranny. They hate trudeau and like Trump. They said Trump is the best president for the US since Kennedy. If people don’t wake up and put an end to the socialists/liberal/democrats, the US, then Canada will be thrust into a civil war by next year. They said it happens so fast that by the time you realize it’s coming, it’s already too late. There are forces out there that are going to conquer by division, they are setting up North America to destroy itself, brother vs brother until we are beat down, then they are going to walk in and take control. Democracy will be gone, a dictatorship will rule.

They came to North America because everyone was allowed to be who they are as far as race and religion are concerned, now they see the “anti racism” movements that are going on as exactly the opposite of what they claim they are doing. It’s dividing us, it’s all a sham. I’m just a dumb redneck but I’ve been saying this exact same thing since covid first started. I said it was being blown up and exaggerated by the media, I said the George Floyd and Allan Adam had nothing to do with race, but there are forces like antifa that are driving the panic and chaos, backed by the liberals, democrats, and media. They are creating a false reality and the ones who are asleep can’t see it coming.


Now excuse me while I find my tinfoil hat.

This is an interesting post and there is some validity to a few key points.

I agree, that if someone who has contracted Covid and had a pre-exsisting condition such as heart disease, diabetes or whatever, gets hospitalized and died, the person dies as a Covid positive patient the death is listed as Covid. My neighbor, a doctor, who as previously mentioned in another thread, is part of the provincial task force on Covid - he confirmed this. But, he also said two interesting things;

First, that these people would have, at some point, died - some of old age, and many of the diseases that was the pre-existing condition BUT Covid was the final cause of death. True.

Secondly, he said in the US it's up to the State on what criteria they use to list final cause of death. So, same scenario as above, a Covid patient in one state could be listed as Covid as the cause of death, while another State may list it as heart attack (despite the fact the patient had a positive test for Covid). He thinks that could be a potential for data set incongruency between one country and the next.

He also said the death rates in the US have not caught up to the infection rates as cases resolve. Resolve meaning they are cured or they die. That is radically different between Canada and the US as we have more than double (almost triple) the ratio of resolved cases compared to the US which also drives the results and measurements.

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As far as the all the liberal movements leading to a dictatorship I have a different perspective. If the end result is a dictatorship - this can happen with any far left and far right movement - liberals, communists, ultra right conservatives, fascists and any ideology that hands unfettered power and control to one individual or political party. To say the danger only arrives from the left exposes us to an attack on democracy from the right.

I'd say Trumps own actions present the very same danger. But that's another discussion. He has done enough things here to certainly test his authority, immunity and control of what he is, or isn't (should or shouldn't be) doing with the authority as granted to his office.

So yeah, I agree, but I'm also somewhat pragmatically looking at this - it's happened both ways.

Good news is you are not completely crazy (yet) You bring the tin foil, I bring the beers. We can make a hat for each of us and drink a case of beer ….