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10-30-2017, 08:27 AM
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No proof in which to make a legit stink.
See if you can get a rebate from Alberta Government. Then everyone on AOF is paying a portion of a new window.
https://www.efficiencyalberta.ca/hom...ement/windows/
Also the market is not in the best shape yet in Alberta. Call all the window guys up and say you are in the market for a window at a super price. When they get slow and want to help out with this lady's troubles...and you can get a deal then you will pay for the new window.
Get a Triple Pane Low E window...you will see a massive change in heat loss/gain and also noise. Get the vinyl and have no maintenance. As a picture window it will be a big home selling feature so you will see a benefit at sale.
I agree however with seeing if you can mentor the boy. Take him and his mom to range and sign the kid up for hunter training. Maybe even pay the fees to get him into Scouts.
Bored kids are trouble. Busy kids are fun.
Sometimes life sucks and a little turn of the cheek can make you feel better about yourself as well as forgive and forget and make two other people a little less miserable.
My thoughts.
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10-30-2017, 08:34 AM
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Some pretty ridiculous replies. You can't get blood from a turnip and there is no proof. Thank God my neighbor is awesome and didn't call the cops on my kid when he broke his shed window with his BB gun (we live in the country). He let me know and we dealt with it ourselves starting with an apooogy and yes, some firm, lost privileges. A picture window is not $7500. A few hundred at worst for the replacement glass and it's good to go. I would take what she can afford and hope to work out some chores for him as a result.
Call the bylaw? Go to the courthouse? Take pictures? Gimme a break. He's a kid doing what kids do. They make mistakes. I say deal with it internally and have some common sense. I bet she would jump on the chance to teach him some discipline for his actions by making him work some of it off.
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Not all kids are running around the city shooting out windows. I was shooting an air rifle at five, and I was allowed to shoot the air rifle in the basement, but I was not allowed to take it out on my own and shoot in town. The firearms were not locked up in our home, but I new better than to take them out and shoot them on my own. And if I had broken a window by throwing a stone or with a slingshot, my parents would have been the first to admit it, and even though money was tight, they would have been responsible , and paid for the damages.
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10-30-2017, 08:36 AM
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There is no mention of any age of the alleged culprit. If this is a big issue then call the police.
Unless you do, you may have no idea how much damage "Dennis the Menace" is responsible for in your area?
Your window may only be one of many, that equals thousands of dollars worth of damage, and that is why she offered up to pay for your deductible so quickly.
Once the police are involved so is Family Services. Shooing out a window maybe be only the tip of the iceberg.
Good luck,
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10-30-2017, 08:48 AM
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If you write off an old car you don’t get compensated with a brand new one.
I wonder what 1971 windows are going for these days? I would hope you don’t value a 45 year old window that will ultimately fail soon at today’s value. Probably couldn’t even give those windows away.
Correct me if I’m wrong but are you suggesting he try and make her buy a 5000 dollar window to replace a 10 dollar one? Perhaps I read that wrong. My bad if so.
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What year is your house? If you bought a 1956 house in 1973 is it insured for the $4000 you paid for it? Or is it insured to replace a 1000 sq ft house which now costs $265,000?
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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
I wasn't thinking far enough ahead for an outcome, I was ranting. By definition, a rant doesn't imply much forethought.....
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10-30-2017, 08:58 AM
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What options do I have? Other than shelling out $$$$ of my pocket to replace the whole thing?
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Don't you have insurance? Ordinarily I'd go with your first impulse, which is that she pays. But maybe think about her circumstances, do the "Christian" thing, and accept her paying your deductible.
I had a bit of a similar situation. My fence was getting pretty bad so we decided to have a company build us a new one, back and sides. They did a great job but it was pricey. Guys on each side of me paid their share (We had all discussed before the build). Behind me is a divorced woman who I know doesn't make much. I didn't bother asking her to kick in.
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10-30-2017, 09:02 AM
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Get the kid to work it off. It'll probably take him 2 years of mowing and shovelling snow to pay for it, but he'll get more out of it than you.
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Sounds like the best idea, then offer to take him shooting. Might change a life.
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10-30-2017, 09:06 AM
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Sounds like the best idea, then offer to take him shooting. Might change a life.
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Actually darn good idea.
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No proof it was the boy. Accept the deductible payment or risk nothing from her.
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This is how I see it as well.
Cheers
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10-30-2017, 09:10 AM
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Actually darn good idea.
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10-30-2017, 09:11 AM
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The situation sucks.
If I were in your position I’d do what you did. Mention it to the mom and seen what came of it. With the push back I’d start looking at options to replace the window myself. Scouring kijij, recycle centres, where ever to find a replacement panel, or whole window.
Being honest, I’d be pretty crotchety during the whole process, but no matter what you do your prob not going to get a whole lot out of her.
The next time you see her though I would most likely say “hey, I’m replacing my window and I could use some help from your boy putting it in” and not take no for an answer on that.
The main idea being a lesson if he breaks something he has to fix it.
Hard to say really unless we’re in the position ourselves. But that’s what I would like to think I would do.
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10-30-2017, 09:13 AM
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What year is your house? If you bought a 1956 house in 1973 is it insured for the $4000 you paid for it? Or is it insured to replace a 1000 sq ft house which now costs $265,000?
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So you want to put the screws to her for 5k on a ten dollar window then?
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10-30-2017, 09:17 AM
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Kids do what kids do. Chances are pretty good imo that the kid did it. I’m sure the op didn’t do it himself. If the kid is a truly good kid he’ll tell the truth but chances are he’ll lie as many good kids do. I find it laughable that many parents are blind and think their little Johnny would never do such a thing but they do. As a father of two boys and a girl I know this quite well. As well as I was a kid once and remember the shenanigans that I got up to.
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I completely agree with you...and I too 'think' the kid did it.
What I'm addressing is are all the people saying to threaten legal action (no proof, it would go nowhere), or worse yet, kickin' the kids ass and such. Then they'll end up in court on an assault charge that will likely be provable.
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10-30-2017, 09:24 AM
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Unfortunately the silicone fix will not work out. The seal is broken and it will now fog up in cold weather. Also it will more than likely crack more once it thermal cycles in the sun/cold a couple times. The unit will need replacing.
There is little recourse legally speaking that will help you out. I just replaced 5 units on a Condo building downtown Calgary with the exact same issue. Somebody used a pellet gun to shoot out windows (some as high up as the 5th floor). There was a police report filed and they got the answer "there is nothing we can do (C.P.S)".
Best I can offer you is if you are in the Edmonton area send me a PM. I can see about getting you a deal on a replacement unit. As to how you work things out with the neighbor that's up to you. Good luck hope this doesn't cost you an arm and a leg to fix.
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10-30-2017, 09:29 AM
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So you want to put the screws to her for 5k on a ten dollar window then?
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Did you even read anything in the thread or are you just looking to fight?
You go find a 9 foot by 5 foot single piece double glaze window for $10. I will send you the money, and you can install it.
I would love to see you stomp into Crystal glass demanding 90 sq feet of glass replaced on site for $10.00. I would put it on youtube and be a millionaire.
I said it all depends on the attitude of the Divorcee. It sounds to me like she is being miserable, like I said before if she was mature reasonable and sane this likely would not have even been an issue.
Obviously the OP was looking for advice or shared experience, is that not the point of a general forum?
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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
I wasn't thinking far enough ahead for an outcome, I was ranting. By definition, a rant doesn't imply much forethought.....
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10-30-2017, 09:32 AM
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A fun story, that I wanted to put in my other post.
I was 9 or 10, on Christmas break. The old McInnis guy at the bottom of my neighbourhood had bunch of kids playing in his yard I guess and he watched one throw a rock or snowball and it hit and cracked his picture window. He ran out and managed to grab a couple of kids who gave them my name. He called my folks. Boy I got it! When I came home from playing guitar at my buddies house. I took it, you don’t talk back to your parents especially when they were that mad. When they were done I tried to explain, but they didn’t believe me. Dragged me down to apologize and face him.
He knew my folks but not me very well, and he told them “hey, sorry but that’s not the kid. I don’t even remember even seeing him here”
We had a quiet walk back up the road and my folks called my friends mother, confirming I was in their place all night. Only then is when I got an apology from my folks.
I’m pretty sure if the old guy had of gone to get a tea in the kitchen when it happened I would have been on the hook for the window.
One of those life lessons growing up that you don’t forget really.
As for the kids that gave my name thinking it would get them off the hook, I seen them a couple days later and smashed one over it, then got my azz handed to me LOL.
Another life lesson
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10-30-2017, 09:35 AM
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Did you even read anything in the thread or are you just looking to fight?
You go find a 9 foot by 5 foot single piece double glaze window for $10. I will send you the money, and you can install it.
I would love to see you stomp into Crystal glass demanding 90 sq feet of glass replaced on site for $10.00. I would put it on youtube and be a millionaire.
I said it all depends on the attitude of the Divorcee. It sounds to me like she is being miserable, like I said before if she was mature reasonable and sane this likely would not have even been an issue.
Obviously the OP was looking for advice or shared experience, is that not the point of a general forum?
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There is only a suspicion it's the boy, no proof. By offering to cover the deductible, or even a couple hundred bucks, is more than reasonable for something no one is sure her kid did.
The fact that she's a single mom, makes it extremely reasonable.
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Don't you have insurance? Ordinarily I'd go with your first impulse, which is that she pays. But maybe think about her circumstances, do the "Christian" thing, and accept her paying your deductible.
I had a bit of a similar situation. My fence was getting pretty bad so we decided to have a company build us a new one, back and sides. They did a great job but it was pricey. Guys on each side of me paid their share (We had all discussed before the build). Behind me is a divorced woman who I know doesn't make much. I didn't bother asking her to kick in.
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An entirely different situation, the fence was falling down on it's own due to age, whereas the window was damaged due to negligence. Now if the fence was in good condition and the woman had driven through it with her car and wrecked it, the comparison would be valid.
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Her Paying your deductible is an admission of guilt.
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Something that everyone is overlooking, she may be morally responsible, she is not legally responsible to pay. When thousands of cars are stolen by youths in Alberta every year, do the parents pay for the damages? NO
If she is offering to pay what she can, I would take it and run. There is not enough proof to convict the kid of damaging your window in our court system.
In High River, I am sure there is a bylaw for discharging a firearm in city limits, if talking with them doesn't work, the next time he is shooting near your property call the RCM Police.
There are a lot of great suggestions on this thread that give both the youth and yourself an opportunity to "step up"
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Something that everyone is overlooking, she may be morally responsible, she is not legally responsible to pay. When thousands of cars are stolen by youths in Alberta every year, do the parents pay for the damages? NO
If she is offering to pay what she can, I would take it and run. There is not enough proof to convict the kid of damaging your window in our court system.
In High River, I am sure there is a bylaw for discharging a firearm in city limits, if talking with them doesn't work, the next time he is shooting near your property call the RCM Police.
There are a lot of great suggestions on this thread that give both the youth and yourself an opportunity to "step up"
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Well said. This is where it should end, but knowing AO it'll be good for another couple of pages of beating a dead horse
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Something that everyone is overlooking, she may be morally responsible, she is not legally responsible to pay. When thousands of cars are stolen by youths in Alberta every year, do the parents pay for the damages? NO
If she is offering to pay what she can, I would take it and run. There is not enough proof to convict the kid of damaging your window in our court system.
In High River, I am sure there is a bylaw for discharging a firearm in city limits, if talking with them doesn't work, the next time he is shooting near your property call the RCM Police.
There are a lot of great suggestions on this thread that give both the youth and yourself an opportunity to "step up"
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Really.
http://clg.ab.ca/programs-services/d...operty-damage/
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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
I wasn't thinking far enough ahead for an outcome, I was ranting. By definition, a rant doesn't imply much forethought.....
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"There are some laws which hold parents responsible for damage caused by their children but generally, you are held accountable for your own actions. If you damage someone’s property, you can be criminally charged or you can be sued for damages in Civil Court to pay for the property, or both. If the person whose property is damaged wins in Civil Court they may collect by seizing any assets or wages you earn after you turn 18 years old."
Seems like the parents would not be on the hook even if you won in court (5-10 years down the road you likely won't remember the cost of the window replacement). That it's self is a big if as there is no account of him actually shooting the window. It is just I saw him with a pellet gun and this looks like a pellet sized hole in my window.
Legally I would say there isn't anything worth pursuing in this case. But then again I'm just an average guy and can't go out giving real legal advice.
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I was 12 and blew a hole threw the picture window at our summer home on Moose Lake. That sucked. Gawd did that suck... Then there was that time that Kurt505 and i got a free ride home by the RCMP when we were kids going after grouse at the Miskanaw golf course over 30 years ago. Ahhh kids and their air guns. Good times. Hope it all gets sorted out...
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I was 12 and blew a hole threw the picture window at our summer home on Moose Lake. That sucked. Gawd did that suck... Then there was that time that Kurt505 and i got a free ride home by the RCMP when we were kids going after grouse at the Miskanaw golf course over 30 years ago. Ahhh kids and their air guns. Good times. Hope it all gets sorted out...
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Another guide breaking the law. I demand an apology from Apos and ....
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An entirely different situation, the fence was falling down on it's own due to age, whereas the window was damaged due to negligence. Now if the fence was in good condition and the woman had driven through it with her car and wrecked it, the comparison would be valid.
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I didn't mean the situations were the same. What I was pointing to was the similar possibilities of doing something for someone who seems to be in unfortunate circumstances. If she pays deductible the OP isn't out of pocket for anything. Just a suggestion.
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C.mon boys...1.5 pages more to prove me right.
Though this horse can't get any deader!!
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C.mon boys...1.5 pages more to prove me right.
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