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Old 01-31-2011, 04:12 PM
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Can you kill a deer with a 204?
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Old 01-31-2011, 04:14 PM
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You could but it is not legal to do so.
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Old 01-31-2011, 04:14 PM
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He!! yah,, dead as dead...
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Old 01-31-2011, 04:44 PM
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I'm sorry but what kind of dumb question is that, you could but would it be mean, immoral, unethical and illegal, heck no! Thats like asking if a club can kill a dog! It could, but shuld you use it?
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Old 01-31-2011, 04:48 PM
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I'm sorry but what kind of dumb question is that, you could but would it be mean, immoral, unethical and illegal, heck no! Thats like asking if a club can kill a dog! It could, but shuld you use it?


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Old 01-31-2011, 04:52 PM
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Can you kill a deer with a 204?
You may, but you could also get minimal penetration with a nasty wound, cripple animal, and any other amount of problems.
The 204 is one of the "sub calibres " that is totally useless for deer sized game, simply because of the weight and types of bullets available for it.
Keep it for coyotes....
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Old 01-31-2011, 04:58 PM
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He didn't ask if it was legal, moral or ethical he asked if it would kill a deer. And well the awnser is yes.. One to the head thats a dead deer.
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In my time in "da bush", I flew out a number of Moose shot with a 22. (not me! :-) My genome has only been present on this continent for 1-2 hundred years....
As for the moral question, I've always wondered how such a low energy wound would compare to an arrow that hits bone and not pass through?

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In my time in "da bush", I flew out a number of Moose shot with a 22. (not me! :-) My genome has only been present on this continent for 1-2 hundred years....
As for the moral question, I've always wondered how such a low energy wound would compare to an arrow that hits bone and not pass through?

Cheers, G.
I have also seen moose and deer ( and black bears) killed with the 22LR but do not recommend it, and especially for a recreational situation where one is hunting for fun, not to survive.
It's a marginal thing at best.....
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You can kill them with a rock if you really feel like it, but a 243 will do a better job. Just because its possible does not mean it should be done. There is a reason it is illegal.
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A rock??? Would much rather use a .204. Why do you guys even answer these foolish questions??? Probably the same reason why I click on to these threads to see all your foolish comments. Leave these posts to be buried.

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Old 01-31-2011, 06:06 PM
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yes you can , before you do ,
I suggest you read and understand the regulations, there is a couple paragraphs that pertain to that such topic
I believe its written like this on page 18

It is unlawful to 1. set out, use or employ any of the following items for the purpose of hunting big game:
ammunition of less than .23 calibre,
ammunition that contains non-expanding bullets,
an auto-loading firearm that has the capacity to hold more than 5

cartridges in the magazine, a shotgun having a gauge of .410 or less,
a shotgun in a bird sanctuary,
bait, except as permitted for the hunting of black bears (page 43),
an arrow other than an authorized arrow (page 39),
a bow other than an authorized bow (page 39),
a muzzle-loading firearm of less than .44 calibre
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Old 01-31-2011, 06:16 PM
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Can it kill a deer - an emphatic yes.

Should/can it be done legally, morally, or ethically - an emphatic no.
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I have also seen moose and deer ( and black bears) killed with the 22LR but do not recommend it, and especially for a recreational situation where one is hunting for fun, not to survive.
It's a marginal thing at best.....
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cat you forgot to add with a car or a pickem up as well
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Old 01-31-2011, 06:24 PM
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I have a friend in MB that only used his 204 the last 3 years he shoot 2 deer a year. seen 2 deer drop after 10 to 20 yards. They were shot out to 200 yards. so yes they can kill deer but not to be used in Alberta .
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cat you forgot to add with a car or a pickem up as well
I have personally used jeep Cherokee LTD, two F150's, a Dodge van, and a
International Transtar, all of which provided super kills, but efficiency was just "not there", and the weapons needed a re-fit after each outing, I just could not afford that!!:>)
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Old 01-31-2011, 10:35 PM
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I seen one, a good sized buck shot with a 204 ruger.Hornady 45 grain went through the front shoulder.Deer shot straight in the air,flipped over went 100feet and was found expired.
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Old 01-31-2011, 10:44 PM
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A well placed shot/shots will do in anything... For example, the AB record grizz, taken by Bella Twin was downed by a .22...
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Old 02-01-2011, 10:21 AM
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Ok guys. sorry for my lack of knowledge. Was just wondering.
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Old 02-01-2011, 01:32 PM
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A rock??? Would much rather use a .204. Why do you guys even answer these foolish questions??? Probably the same reason why I click on to these threads to see all your foolish comments. Leave these posts to be buried.

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Apparently the point of my post was missed. What I was trying to get across was that anything is possible, however that does not mean it should be done.
I am sure that its possible to survive a 100 foot fall, but that doesnt mean I am gonna go jump off a bridge.
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Old 02-01-2011, 01:56 PM
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It will kill a deer but is a lousy choice for a deer cartridge.
All these big game animals killed with a 22 were not killed with one shot and weren't under a recreational hunt.

For all those who would like to argue the suitability of these tiny calibers for large game, answer me this. How many times have you seen recommendations to carry a 204 for bear protection?
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:07 PM
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Hello all you hunting eficeinoto's. I'm new to the fourm but couldnt help but coment on this one. when I was working for wholesale I had a guy come in and try to buy a 22 mag for deer, needless to say it sparked a similar convo and buddy went home with a 270 and a copy of the regs.
I have personally butchered several farm raised white tails with a 22 LR one shot, and many cows much larger than that. Ive watched "old timers" shoot many deer with a 22mag oneshot stops. dosent mean it should be done unless its a survival thing. quite unethical i think.
I have a friend that uses a 25-06 for grizz protection vs his 308 lever, clearly dosent understand the hydro static shock end of things, isnt my ***** on the line !

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u could but its illegal
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