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I could care less what race the scumbags are, they should receive a minimum of ten years at hard labor. And if they bring a firearm into a person's home, it should be legal to shoot them dead, with no fear of being charged.
X2, but I think they should be terminated period, there are plenty of humans on earth. Who needs that kind of trash running around, costs the tax payer. You dare to bring a gun on my property for this intent you should be fair game, no questions asked.
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Old 01-20-2018, 09:09 AM
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I could care less what race the scumbags are, they should receive a minimum of ten years at hard labor. And if they bring a firearm into a person's home, it should be legal to shoot them dead, with no fear of being charged.
The people who advocate using firearms to defend against thieves (myself included) are for the scenario that was posted by Spank. As soon as you enter the house with a firearm you are no longer just a thief but are now a potential murderer.....you have crossed the line. We are not suggesting you run out into the yard and shoot someone running away down the alley but entering the house armed changes everything.

If thieves come into the house carrying a firearm, they have threatened my family and I with deadly force, the carrying of a firearm confirms this. In a case like this I do not believe at the time I would worry about being charged.
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Old 01-20-2018, 09:25 AM
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The people who advocate using firearms to defend against thieves (myself included) are for the scenario that was posted by Spank. As soon as you enter the house with a firearm you are no longer just a thief but are now a potential murderer.....you have crossed the line. We are not suggesting you run out into the yard and shoot someone running away down the alley but entering the house armed changes everything.

If thieves come into the house carrying a firearm, they have threatened my family and I with deadly force, the carrying of a firearm confirms this. In a case like this I do not believe at the time I would worry about being charged.
I agree that a person should not have to worry about being charged, buy our legal system is so broken, that you very well could be charged. And that should apply to a business as well, not just homes.
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I could care less what race the scumbags are, they should receive a minimum of ten years at hard labor. And if they bring a firearm into a person's home, it should be legal to shoot them dead, with no fear of being charged.
I agree 100%. I only posted they were native to show there may be a possible correlation between the Onion Lake gang and Battleford gang since Edam is on a highway centred between the two.
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Old 01-20-2018, 09:56 AM
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It mentions in the article that nobody was harmed. Sounds to me like two people or more had guns waved in their face. I don't consider that NOT being harmed. It just might take a toll on the victims noggin's.
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The people who advocate using firearms to defend against thieves (myself included) are for the scenario that was posted by Spank. As soon as you enter the house with a firearm you are no longer just a thief but are now a potential murderer.....you have crossed the line. We are not suggesting you run out into the yard and shoot someone running away down the alley but entering the house armed changes everything.

If thieves come into the house carrying a firearm, they have threatened my family and I with deadly force, the carrying of a firearm confirms this. In a case like this I do not believe at the time I would worry about being charged.
We were doing a cross country promotional years ago for Arctic Cat after they had closed shop and restarted. Escorting two older guys riding brand new machines from New Brunswick to Thief River Falls, MN where the factory would put their sleds back on the assembly line, rebuild them to as new, ship them back to them and fly them home. We were the tour guides for the North Bay to Sudbury section to get them across Lake Ni****ing to their next leg. We had to meet their Sudbury connection at a little whistle stop in a town called Warren. An on duty OPP officer was part of the Sudbury contingent.
At lunch my father noticed he only had two and a half fingers on his right hand. His thumb and index finger were missing and he had only half his middle finger. After a short query he related a story about being on duty and having two guys he had previously arrested for child molesting and released on bail decide they would rather go to jail as cop killers than child molestors as it was common knowledge he said child molestors were targets in prison. So one night while on duty in the station house alone they walked in and pointed a 303 rifle at him. He pulled his revolver thinking they would back down their threat at the sight of his gun but instead they opened fire blowing the revolver out of his hand and sending a flurry of shots at him as he scrambled for cover through a steel door leading to the holding cells in the station before they turned and ran out of the station thinking they’d killed him with the shots they fired through the door at him.
In lieu of current events here getting worse and worse to the point of crimes being committed by armed thieves I am reminded of the policemans words that day when he said never would he make such a misjudgement again regarding an armed criminal.

He said and I quote “should there be a next time I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6”.
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Old 01-20-2018, 10:26 AM
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Need to bring hangings back for these kind if scum, and many others... It's only a matter of time before they hurt or kill somebody and society could have prevented it if we only had a justice system.
I totally disagree.
We subject animals for testing life saving drugs.
Then these drugs have to go through years of human testing before being approved for saving good human beings.
Guess what?? Yup, you guessed it, save the guinea pigs.
We have jails full of tax payer funded guinea pigs.
Let the testing begin!!!!!!
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Old 01-20-2018, 10:31 AM
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I could care less what race the scumbags are, they should receive a minimum of ten years at hard labor. And if they bring a firearm into a person's home, it should be legal to shoot them dead, with no fear of being charged.
I agree, but unless you do it when you have 10 witnesses including 2 supreme court judges, RCMP members, a Catholic priest and a couple school teachers accompanied by a film crew,

we will be charged.
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I wasn't thinking far enough ahead for an outcome, I was ranting. By definition, a rant doesn't imply much forethought.....
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Old 01-20-2018, 10:33 AM
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I agree, but unless you do it when you have 10 witnesses including 2 supreme court judges, RCMP members, a Catholic priest and a couple school teachers accompanied by a film crew,

we will be charged.
And even then, you will be treated like a criminal.
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Old 01-20-2018, 11:12 AM
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I just talked to a guy near Winnipeg and there has been countless snow machines truck, trailers ,you name it gone,hotels money and booze in the middle of the day,trucks left running in cold or warming up,12 different farmers chasing guys away and never mind the ones they robbed from in just 2 weeks.

This is the same deal going on out your way and I really think it's organized to hit all 3 western provinces.I talked to a good friend who has a large farm and they got hit all around them ,plus his wife now is scared .Someone is going to get hurt bad and I am getting an extra alarm system hooked up 200 feet away watching the whole house.Dress the same as the guys they got,


I am not going to jail over a truck or bike for some young punk,but if one threatens or tries to forfeit my families well being ,they will have a very bad day.My daughter runs a big resort in the middle of no where and now I am worried,they have been robbed before ,but now this is more than few local guys stealing gas and power tools.
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Old 01-20-2018, 11:14 AM
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And even then, you will be treated like a criminal.
Better than 6 feet under for yourself.Material things no big deal,but your safety for your life is another matter.Plus if your going away for few weeks to get some sun,don't broad cast it online,they can read also the scum bags.

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Old 01-20-2018, 01:29 PM
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Better than 6 feet under for yourself.Material things no big deal,but your safety for your life is another matter.Plus if your going away for few weeks to get some sun,don't broad cast it online,they can read also the scum bags.
may be time to advertise about going on a holiday like next weekend.
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Two words to describe what will happen...Gladeau Sentencing.
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From Wikipedia:

Gladue Report

A Gladue report is a type of pre-sentencing and bail hearing report that a Canadian court can request when considering sentencing an offender of Aboriginal background under Section 718.2(e) of the Criminal Code.[1] Gladue was the first case to challenge section 718.2(e) of the Criminal Code.

The process derives its name from "R. v. Gladue", a 1999 Supreme Court of Canada decision.[2][3]

In criminal sentencing in Canada, a court is required to take into account all reasonable alternatives to incarcerations, with particular attention to Aboriginal offenders (s. 718.2(e)). This is not an automatic "get-out-of-jail-free card." Rather it requires the court to take into account circumstances facing Aboriginal peoples. Where the crime is relatively minor, the court should consider Aboriginal-based sentencing principles such as restorative justice. This incorporates community members and the victim in determining a fit sentence. However, where the crime is more serious, courts will generally find that the Aboriginal-based sentencing principles will converge with more traditional sentencing as they share similar objectives such as protection of the public and deterrence.

Subsection 718.2(e) is a guiding principle and not a substantive power. Therefore, the court is not at liberty to impose a sentence outside the range of legally available penalties. For example, if there is a minimum sentence of imprisonment, the court cannot use the Gladue Principle to impose a sentence lower than the minimum. However, courts have considered the Gladue Principle in determining the constitutionality of minimum sentences which are set by the Crown, depending on whether the Crown elects to serve a notice of enhanced penalty under s. 729 or elects to proceed by indictment.

In March 2012, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that the Gladue Principle also applies to breaches of long-term supervision orders. They stated that "failing to take [aboriginal] circumstances into account would violate the fundamental principle of sentencing". This ruling, R. v. Ipeelee, 2012 SCC 13, [2012] 1 SCR 433, also reinforced the principles underlying the Gladue Report generally. Ipeelee itself has quickly become extremely influential in sentencing matters concerning aboriginal offenders, having been cited in over 80 Canadian court cases in just 7 months from the time it was issued and is now effectively a companion case to Gladue in this area.

R vs Gladue
Jamie Tanis Gladue was a young Cree woman charged with second-degree murder after stabbing her common-law husband during an altercation.[4] On the evening of her nineteenth birthday celebration, Ms. Gladue confronted the victim, Reuben Beaver about the affair she believed he was having with her sister.[5] Her suspicions appeared correct, and he insulted her. A few minutes later, the victim fled the home, and the accused ran at him with a large knife and stabbed him in the chest.[6] At the trial, Ms. Gladue pleaded guilty to manslaughter as her blood alcohol content at the time of the incident was between 155 and 165 milligrams of alcohol in 100 millilitres of blood.[7] Ms. Gladue's criminal record only consisted of an impaired driving conviction.[8] Regarding her sentencing, the Supreme Court noted: "...a sentence of three years’ imprisonment was not unreasonable. More importantly, the accused was granted, subject to certain conditions, day parole after she had served six months in a correctional centre and, about a year ago, was granted full parole with the same conditions. The results of the sentence with incarceration for six months and the subsequent controlled release were in the interests of both the accused and society."[9] Gladue was the first case to challenge section 718.2(e) before the courts. The accused's Aboriginal background did not affect sentencing. The trial judge noted that both Gladue and the victim were not living in an Aboriginal community at the time of the incident and therefore had no special circumstances arising from their Métis status.[10] While Gladue was a Métis woman, she was living in an urban area at the time which affected the decision of the trial judge in applying section 718.2(e). Section 718.2(e) is often referred to as the “Aboriginal sentencing section.”[11]
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Precisely. Canadian Courts creating separate classes of citizens, contrary to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
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Maybe it's time to start neutering violent criminals, make sure they don't pass the defective genes along. I bet that would cut a lot of BS out.
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Precisely. Canadian Courts creating separate classes of citizens, contrary to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Our Charter of Rights and Freedoms DOES NOT make all Canadians equal under the law. And that is why our Charter of Rights is garbage as written.

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Marginal note:Equality before and under law and equal protection and benefit of law

15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
Marginal note:Affirmative action programs

(2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
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Our Charter of Rights and Freedoms DOES NOT make all Canadians equal under the law.
Apparently. So the Charter is flawed, and our Courts amplify the flaws. Exactly why the constitution of the USA is superior in all respects.
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But guys remember they have had a rough life. Their ancestors as well with residential school stuff and all. I am sure they didn't know any better and with a little spiritual healing I am sure they will come back and be great citezens once again! I am sure with our justice system they will have to go to a few meetings and a little parol and they won't spend much time in jail. That is the sad truth.
Glad the people robbed are o.k. Had it happen to my cousin in a small town store once at gun point. She still has nightmares about it 20 years later and it has changed her life.....
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I will make one prediction, that being regardless of the outcome of how our legal system deals with them, at least some of these scumbags will commit more criminal acts in the future.
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But guys remember they have had a rough life. Their ancestors as well with residential school stuff and all. I am sure they didn't know any better and with a little spiritual healing I am sure they will come back and be great citezens once again! I am sure with our justice system they will have to go to a few meetings and a little parol and they won't spend much time in jail. That is the sad truth.
Glad the people robbed are o.k. Had it happen to my cousin in a small town store once at gun point. She still has nightmares about it 20 years later and it has changed her life.....
Lots of good posts in this thread about the usual common denominator so I'll just quote this post cause the first paragraph made me lol.
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Glad you feel the need to laugh at a major issue we are facing in Alberta and across Canada
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Glad you feel the need to laugh at a major issue we are facing in Alberta and across Canada
Trust me, well aware of the major issue at hand. If I say more about the usual suspectsI may get another infraction on this forum.
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I totally disagree.
We subject animals for testing life saving drugs.
Then these drugs have to go through years of human testing before being approved for saving good human beings.
Guess what?? Yup, you guessed it, save the guinea pigs.
We have jails full of tax payer funded guinea pigs.
Let the testing begin!!!!!!
I had a brain fart, I'm with you 100%. Innocent animals suffer for doing nothing, test on these pieces of garbage.
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Trust me, well aware of the major issue at hand. If I say more about the usual suspectsI may get another infraction on this forum.
lol you know what those are as well eh! we may become friends after all
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Glad you feel the need to laugh at a major issue we are facing in Alberta and across Canada
Not much else to do but laugh because we all know the truth, reality of these crimes with little to know punishment...sad but true the victims of these crimes are the ones who need the attention to insure they get back on thier feet both mentally and physically.
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Not much else to do but laugh because we all know the truth, reality of these crimes with little to know punishment...sad but true the victims of these crimes are the ones who need the attention to insure they get back on thier feet both mentally and physically.
And there is the problem, the bleeding hearts want to make the criminals the victim, and the only time they remember the true victims, is when they want to impose more firearms laws. When scumbags committ armed robbery, the convicted get a slap on the wrist. Armed robbery should bring a minimum of ten years hard labor, and a conviction of an armed offense, while under a firearms prohibition should be 25 years at hard labor. Put the offenders in chain gangs and let them earn their keep. The current legal system is not deterring people from committing these crimes.
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The problem with shooting an armed intruder is that legally you would first have to retrieve from the safe and load it. Having it accessible and loaded is proof of intent. Which is obviously insanity. We are not supposed to have the ability to defend ourselves.
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And there is the problem, the bleeding hearts want to make the criminals the victim, and the only time they remember the true victims, is when they want to impose more firearms laws. When scumbags committ armed robbery, the convicted get a slap on the wrist. Armed robbery should bring a minimum of ten years hard labor, and a conviction of an armed offense, while under a firearms prohibition should be 25 years at hard labor. Put the offenders in chain gangs and let them earn their keep. The current legal system is not deterring people from committing these crimes.
There's another problem ....

There's not enough noise being made by people who want a tougher legal system. Worry less about being able to shoot trespassers and write your elected reps and explain that you want justice reform. If prison was a real deterrent and people were terrified to reoffend crime would drop.

Yes. So would shooting criminals. That's not going to happen. Justice reform could if we pushed for it.

Have you contacted anybody or just us?
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Prison reform, Canada's rights and freedoms, capital punishment, home defense, human drug testing, political action, guilty by association, and I may have missed a point or two.

You can discuss what ever you want as long as they are not racist.
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