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Old 12-07-2019, 09:06 AM
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I don't understand how they can charge this on home heating fuel. It is a necessity in Canada's climate to live ! Don't forget about the GST ! Tax on a tax !
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Old 12-07-2019, 09:15 AM
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If there needs to be carbon tax charged it should be on airplane tickets. If you can afford a holiday add on another 50 or 100 to the tab. Leave the ordinary joe commuting back and forth to work and heating his home out of it.
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Old 12-07-2019, 09:16 AM
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Can someone explain how me paying a higher carbon tax, will reduce carbon emissions?
You misread it ... carbon TAX, It’s just another tax , has nothing to do with reducing carbon .
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Old 12-07-2019, 11:42 AM
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Default Lock out Co op Saskatchewan Refineries

Lock out at the Co op refinery in Saskatchewan , watch for sharp raises in Diesel followed by Gasoline prices next week .Gas Buddy / 660 Am Calgary .
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Old 12-07-2019, 11:54 AM
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Lock out at the Co op refinery in Saskatchewan , watch for sharp raises in Diesel followed by Gasoline prices next week .Gas Buddy / 660 Am Calgary .
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Old 12-07-2019, 12:23 PM
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LLoydminster will be $1.29 by tomorrow just from the hint of a hike.

Looks like I am taking a trailer to Edmonton monday, fill all the slip tanks.
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Old 12-07-2019, 12:39 PM
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I don't understand how they can charge this on home heating fuel. It is a necessity in Canada's climate to live ! Don't forget about the GST ! Tax on a tax !
I agree, bloody ridiculous!
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Old 12-07-2019, 01:34 PM
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If there needs to be carbon tax charged it should be on airplane tickets. If you can afford a holiday add on another 50 or 100 to the tab. Leave the ordinary joe commuting back and forth to work and heating his home out of it.
It is applied just not directly on the ticket price as the airline pays the carbon tax.

Pretty simple economics tells us that higher costs push innovation to make things more efficient and cheaper. Just look at computers, they used to cost an arm and leg for a low powered machine but enterprise saw the potential and innovated to make computers better and cheaper. The government is stepping in and applying a tax because it incentives companies to innovate rather than sticking with the status quo. We have done similar things in the past with nitrous oxide to deal with acid rain, and chlorofluorocarbons (use to be used in aerosols) for the ozone. Both times people said it would destroy the economy and be too expensive and yet we found solutions and moved forward.
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Old 12-07-2019, 01:43 PM
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It is applied just not directly on the ticket price as the airline pays the carbon tax.

Pretty simple economics tells us that higher costs push innovation to make things more efficient and cheaper. Just look at computers, they used to cost an arm and leg for a low powered machine but enterprise saw the potential and innovated to make computers better and cheaper. The government is stepping in and applying a tax because it incentives companies to innovate rather than sticking with the status quo. We have done similar things in the past with nitrous oxide to deal with acid rain, and chlorofluorocarbons (use to be used in aerosols) for the ozone. Both times people said it would destroy the economy and be too expensive and yet we found solutions and moved forward.
So what are this innovations?
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Old 12-07-2019, 03:14 PM
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If there needs to be carbon tax charged it should be on airplane tickets. If you can afford a holiday add on another 50 or 100 to the tab. Leave the ordinary joe commuting back and forth to work and heating his home out of it.
There's a great interview out there on a realist scientist who notes that; what we do individually is Noble but beyond that it does bfa for the environment. Whether that be installing a grease trap under the sink, composting, recycling, driving an electric/hybrid, etc. He then goes on to discuss the huge invisible mammoth in the room that nobody is allowed to address; the airline industry.

At any given moment an aircraft is either landing or taking off every 3/4 of a second.
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Old 12-07-2019, 06:56 PM
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Try finding out why there is a carbon tax on a non-producing carbon producer, like nat gas & propane.......good luck.....
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Old 12-07-2019, 07:22 PM
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That is the part that has me so confused. Everyone can see him driving the wedges between provinces, between Canadians, but who exactly is pulling his strings? What is his end game?

I have read some pretty wild conspiracy theories about the Rothschilds and Rockerfellers and more trillionaire families that start with R, but again why?

Milk all of Canada's resources and a Billion dollars in his pocket?
you raise a good question " what is his end game ?" . my fear is that by the time we find out , it will be too late to do anything about it . a lot of the crap he is spewing may be " smoke screens " to hide the truth . or maybe not .
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Old 12-07-2019, 07:25 PM
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If there needs to be carbon tax charged it should be on airplane tickets. If you can afford a holiday add on another 50 or 100 to the tab. Leave the ordinary joe commuting back and forth to work and heating his home out of it.
Cruise ships aswell.
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Old 12-18-2019, 10:36 AM
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Still $.809 in Millwoods
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Old 12-18-2019, 02:29 PM
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Can someone explain how me paying a higher carbon tax, will reduce carbon emissions?
According to the Lieberal shill the other day on the news..the "logic" is to get all those oil field workers (in Alberta) to buy F150 pickup trucks instead of those nasty F350 for going back and forth to work ......Only in the mind of a Lieberal who has never worked would this make sense......

Or I guess we could use 3 trucks to haul stuff instead on one.....
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Old 12-19-2019, 02:17 PM
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$.789 in edmonton again.

I may have to go west in a day or 2
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Old 12-19-2019, 02:20 PM
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$.789 in edmonton again.

I may have to go west in a day or 2
Where?
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Old 12-19-2019, 02:27 PM
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Where?
Get the GasBuddy app, can look up process just about anywhere. Looks like South side Edmonton had cheaper gas, there are 2 stations reported at 78.9, over Costco at 80.9, and then it jumps to about 86
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Old 12-19-2019, 02:45 PM
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Get the GasBuddy app, can look up process just about anywhere. Looks like South side Edmonton had cheaper gas, there are 2 stations reported at 78.9, over Costco at 80.9, and then it jumps to about 86
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Old 12-19-2019, 02:52 PM
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So what are this innovations?
You mean from previous times?

One would be miniaturizing and implementing catalytic converters on every vehicle.

Another would be the non-ozone depleting refrigerants that were developed.

As for CO2 innovations there are some currently in terms of carbon capture, but government intervention would push investment dollars into into innovation rather that maintaining the status quo.
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Old 12-19-2019, 08:04 PM
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4.4 cents they say. And multiply that by 2.5 by 2022, which gives you 11 cents per litre in 2 years.
Those numbers have increased substantially today.
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Old 12-19-2019, 08:13 PM
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Where?
Sorry- yeah I use gasbuddy
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Old 12-20-2019, 03:00 AM
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Yep, give the government more money and they will make the weather better for us. I'm just waiting until they tell us that the winds are changing and we will have to start paying more taxes because it is less/more windy than at any other time in history.
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