4 officers, not just 1, were outside the school...

[32-40win]

You can create all the laws you want, the necessary laws and policies were already in place to prevent this incident, at the very beginning, the school didn't enforce them. They actually came up with policies against using the proper procedures for handling the original problem, when it first appeared long before the shooting occurred. The school board did not enforce them. The Sheriff's office did not enforce them. The FBI dropped the ball big time. And now the nutjobs or people with a socialist totalitarian agenda are being given a platform to work with by a media that has no clue what it could lose if they get their way. More laws that will not be enforced, trying to outlaw mental cases?
Like one post I saw said; Did the fact that texting while driving, kills people and is against the law, stop you from doing it?
The media glorifies the shooter up the ying yang, I have yet to see a victim's name mentioned, although I am sure they have been published, once. There was a vid of Dana Loesch calling out the media at CPAC on that, and Lapierre was pretty much on target in his speech at CPAC as well.

[vcmm]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Some years ago in Norway......compare that to the number of incidents in the US. It can happen in any country, but unlike Americans others seem to learn and fix their problems.

Like Norway and the rest of the europeans no go zones????

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Some years ago in Norway......compare that to the number of incidents in the US. It can happen in any country, but unlike Americans others seem to learn and fix their problems.

And please inform us what they did. And what we did after Taber?

I had friends in the school at Taber. One of them pulled a teacher into a closet as rounds hit the door.

We didn't do anything to change anything after that and we've somehow avoided a repeat.

Your bitterness against something is showing.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Some years ago in Norway......compare that to the number of incidents in the US. It can happen in any country, but unlike Americans others seem to learn and fix their problems.

What did Norway change?

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Unfortunately you are correct they don't appear to care about their children down in the USA as they refuse to make any meaningful changes to their gun laws.
Every time this happens all they seem to be able to do is pray......it doesn't seem to be working and they don't seem bright enough to learn. We'll have this thread restarted soon when this happens again next month. I wonder how many kids it'll be next time.....

Once again and read it slow.....slower this time. Measures were in place, FBI failed, Sheriff dept. failed, and specifically trained armed guards were at the school but chose to hide....failed. The meaningful changes were in place and were all ignored. Like other anti-gun wingnuts you refuse to accept proven facts. Accepting these facts proves you wrong, which is obviously what you have the biggest problem with. It appears that every time you open your mouth about gun control all you do is change feet.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by rem338win

And please inform us what they did. And what we did after Taber?

I had friends in the school at Taber. One of them pulled a teacher into a closet as rounds hit the door.

We didn't do anything to change anything after that and we've somehow avoided a repeat.

Your bitterness against something is showing.

Nope no bitterness. If people don't care about their kids why should I.

[vcmm]

Originally Posted by bobalong

Once again and read it slow.....slower this time. Measures were in place, FBI failed, Sheriff dept. failed, and specifically trained armed guards were at the school but chose to hide....failed. The meaningful changes were in place and were all ignored. Like other anti-gun wingnuts you refuse to accept proven facts. Accepting these facts proves you wrong, which is obviously what you have the biggest problem with. It appears that every time you open your mouth about gun control all you do is change feet.

OMFG!! Thank you BOB Someone gets it!!!!

[hal53]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Nope no bitterness. If people don't care about their kids why should I.

Ahhhh!.. The classic line of the anti gun crowd. " I care about the kids"...and if you don't agree with me, you obviously don't care about the kids

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by bobalong

Once again and read it slow.....slower this time. Measures were in place, FBI failed, Sheriff dept. failed, and specifically trained armed guards were at the school but chose to hide....failed. The meaningful changes were in place and were all ignored. Like other anti-gun wingnuts you refuse to accept proven facts. Accepting these facts proves you wrong, which is obviously what you have the biggest problem with. It appears that every time you open your mouth about gun control all you do is change feet.

Sorry Bob but you and the other NRA nuts feel like everyone should be able to carry a m249 and then try to blame others when something goes wrong and kids get killed. Oh that's right, we can fix that by praying.....by the way which god should parents that lost there kids pray too ? So far praying to the christian one hasn't worked to well.

[vcmm]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Sorry Bob but you and the other NRA nuts feel like everyone should be able to carry a m249 and then try to blame others when something goes wrong and kids get killed. Oh that's right, we can fix that by praying.....by the way which god should parents that lost there kids pray too ? So far praying to the christian one hasn't worked to well.

And if you own a car, you should walk!! It's all about FREEDOM OF CHOICE!!

[partsman]

Look at our Ottawa shooter no hesitation, our man went after him and shot him.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by vcmm

And if you own a car, you should walk!! It's all about FREEDOM OF CHOICE!!

You sound like you should live in the US. Thankfully Canadians are a little brighter.

[Hunter guy]

Originally Posted by Scott h

You sound like you should live in the US. Thankfully Canadians are a little brighter.

Yes we are so much brighter, we have justin!!!!

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by partsman

Look at our Ottawa shooter no hesitation, our man went after him and shot him.

Yes he did. Saved wasting a ton of tax dollars on a trial.

[vcmm]

Originally Posted by Scott h

You sound like you should live in the US. Thankfully Canadians are a little brighter.

NOT !! We have the Turd and folks like YOU!!

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by Hunter guy

Yes we are so much brighter, we have justin!!!!

Good point

[New Hunter Okotoks]

Culture also plays a role though. Most of the deaths from gun violence happen in America's States with the most restrictive gun laws in the USA. City's like Chicago will often have more gun deaths and injuries in a weekend than some States have all year. Restrictive gun laws don't work and neither do gun-free zones. They just make it easier for killers to kill and almost impossible for people to defend themselves. Remember, 4 armed and trained police officers waited outside while children were being killed- do you really want to leave your safety or your child's safety in the hands of Law Enforcement? There have been many instances in the USA where a good guy with a gun has killed or stopped an attack by a bad guy with a gun. They are not covered much by the media so you have to search for them, but they have happened.

I also think that over reporting, social media, mental illness, violent video games, and incompetence by Law Enforcement Agencies play a role. This latest one in Florida was a prime example of Law Enforcement dropping the ball at both the local level and the Federal Level. The public did everything they could have possibly done with calling in many warnings to both the local PD as well as the FBI. In many of the cases, they didn't even open an investigation. In one particular case, he pointed a gun at another teenagers head and yet he wasn't even charged. Everyone seems to focus on the tool used and not the individual using it. When the government say don't worry, we will protect you, I would be skeptical of such claims.

The only people who obey gun laws are law abiding citizens. Criminals do not care about gun laws; and never will. I will agree that some people should not have access to firearms; such as those who point firearms at people or who are mentally ill would be prime examples. I'm willing to bet that if this kid had undergone a psychiatric evaluation after several people phoned in or after the Police had been to the house several times, he would have been found mentally unstable and showing violent tendencies towards people. At least then it would have been difficult for him to acquire the guns.

I have heard comments by people who say that something has to be done
to prevent these shootings from happening. I just wish that they would also
say exactly what it is that they want done. What specific changes or laws would they like changed that would prevent killers from killing people?

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by vcmm

NOT !! We have the Turd and folks like YOU!!

You sound as angry as newview

[vcmm]

Originally Posted by Scott h

You sound as angry as newview

Nope . Not an angry person. But you are giving the typical answer most would expect. Only thing missing is you calling me a RACIST . Like your kind do when they can't have a reasonable answer like I thought.
But to quote a famous person. "That's nice"

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Sorry Bob but you and the other NRA nuts feel like everyone should be able to carry a m249 and then try to blame others when something goes wrong and kids get killed. Oh that's right, we can fix that by praying.....by the way which god should parents that lost there kids pray too ? So far praying to the christian one hasn't worked to well.

I don't believe I am an NRA nut but I can't ignore the facts that have been shown in this case. They prove that there are so many more things that went wrong before that gun was ever used. If acting on any one of all the RED FLAGS (about 40 or more) on this guy had been acted on there most likely would have been no incident.
Human law enforcement incompetence was the cause at every level, but law enforcement seems quite happy to have the AR15 take the blame, anything that deflects away from them, they have no pride, they have no honor.

[airbornedeerhunter]

Tens of thousands of US combat veterans no longer on active duty across the US, if the issue is trying to determine if someone who is paid to do so will run toward the sound of gunfire look no further. Find them, screen them, contract them and put them in schools. Not saying it would prevent every attempt or action but I would hazard a guess that they would advance to contact and engage the threat with 2 to the chest and 1 to the head instead of waiting outside like a rent-a-cop while 17 people were murdered.

I find it funny though that the looney left, left leaning governments and the anti-gun zealots are so vehemently opposed to guns in schools to protect children but walk into any provincial legislature building or into Parliament in Ottawa are there are armed security everywhere. i.e, Kevin Vickers the former master of arms on Parliament hill who retrieved his pistol from a lockbox in his office and let the air out of that beeb that murdered Nathan Cirillo and then stormed into Parliament in 2014- Politicians won't go anywhere without armed security and are surrounded by it at their workplace ( I use that term loosely) but they find in perfectly acceptable to leave children at the mercy of a potential lunatic to only be defended by a locked door to a classroom and a stapler held by a terrified teacher.

[vcmm]

Originally Posted by bobalong

I don't believe I am an NRA nut but I can't ignore the facts that have been shown that in this case. They prove that there are so many more things that went wrong before that gun was ever used. If acting on any one of all the RED FLAGS (about 40 or more) on this guy had been acted on there most likely would have been no incident.
Human law enforcement incompetence was the cause at every level, but law enforcement seems quite happy to have the AR15 take the blame, anything that deflects away from them, they have no pride, they have no honor.

Five thumbs up^^^

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Nope no bitterness. If people don't care about their kids why should I.

If someone has made a concious decision to massacre people; of which there are already laws against. Do you believe they would not break the law to acquire illegal firearms to commit such atrocities? If Canadian gun laws are so fool proof, how is it that I could easily obtain illegal firearms here in Edmonton? With everything that happened that day, why do you think that firearms (or legislation surrounding them) are 100% to blame for the situation?

[vcmm]

Originally Posted by vcmm

Nope . Not an angry person. But you are giving the typical answer most would expect. Only thing missing is you calling me a RACIST . Like your kind do when they can't have a reasonable answer like I thought.
But to quote a famous person. "That's nice"

Scott h , still waiting??

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Nope no bitterness. If people don't care about their kids why should I.

Originally Posted by Scott h

You sound like you should live in the US. Thankfully Canadians are a little brighter.

Stop trolling and actually contribute something. I asked you questions. Meaningful ones. Others did as well. And you've never answered except to spout triggered tripe. Oh the children. Stupid Americans. Yay you.

Norway had gun laws similar to Canada when Breivik bombed the government building and killed nearly 80 children. Funny their gun laws didn't stop him. They also didn't change any laws.

Taber took place days after Columbine. Smith used an altered semi-auto .22. He was stopped only by his lack of will to continue. Canada did....effectively nothing.

Ottawa. The shooter was an extremist and our gun laws prevented......nothing. A man armed with a gun in parliament ended that.

In one post I've contributed more facts than you have in the last 50 posts I've seen of yours.

Rhetoric and troll. Repeat. I'm sad for you.

[Hunter guy]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

If someone has made a concious decision to massacre people; of which there are already laws against. Do you believe they would not break the law to acquire illegal firearms to commit such atrocities? If Canadian gun laws are so fool proof, how is that I could easily obtain illegal firearms here in Edmonton? With everything that happened that day, why do you think that firearms (or legislation surrounding them) are 100% to blame for the situation?

Exactly, and having a restricted firearm that I can only use at the range doesn't meen anyone cant ever use it to commit a crime. Also the problem with society is you make a real stink about somebody that you think is going to snap it's called racism or discrimination, because you know it's all about diversity these days....

People say you should have spoken louder about a criminal who committed a crime after it happened, but if you did speak out before the crime they scream hate!!

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by airbornedeerhunter

Tens of thousands of US combat veterans no longer on active duty across the US, if the issue is trying to determine if someone who is paid to do so will run toward the sound of gunfire look no further. Find them, screen them, contract them and put them in schools. Not saying it would prevent every attempt or action but I would hazard a guess that they would advance to contact and engage the threat with 2 to the chest and 1 to the head instead of waiting outside like a rent-a-cop while 17 people were murdered.

I find it funny though that the looney left, left leaning governments and the anti-gun zealots are so vehemently opposed to guns in schools to protect children but walk into any provincial legislature building or into Parliament in Ottawa are there are armed security everywhere. i.e, Kevin Vickers the former master of arms on Parliament hill who retrieved his pistol from a lockbox in his office and let the air out of that beeb that murdered Nathan Cirillo and then stormed into Parliament in 2014- Politicians won't go anywhere without armed security and are surrounded by it at their workplace ( I use that term loosely) but they find in perfectly acceptable to leave children at the mercy of a potential lunatic to only be defended by a locked door to a classroom and a stapler held by a terrified teacher.

I agree 100% use retired or serving military if possible. I would also like to see the same in Alberta to decrease or end the theft that is rampant in our province. I am not trying to compare a kids death to a theft, just agreeing that there are many trained honorable men and woman that could really help.

[Hunter guy]

Originally Posted by bobalong

I agree 100% use retired or serving military if possible. I would also like to see the same in Alberta to decrease or end the theft that is rampant in our province. I am not trying to compare a kids death to a theft, just agreeing that there are many trained honorable men and woman that could really help.

Just letting home owners protect what's theirs would be something else.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

If someone has made a concious decision to massacre people; of which there are already laws against. Do you believe they would not break the law to acquire illegal firearms to commit such atrocities? If Canadian gun laws are so fool proof, how is it that I could easily obtain illegal firearms here in Edmonton? With everything that happened that day, why do you think that firearms (or legislation surrounding them) are 100% to blame for the situation?

James Roszko was prohibited from legally possessing firearms, yet he managed to obtain a prohibited firearm, which he used to kill 4 armed RCMP officers. Our firearms laws did not prevent the murder of those four armed officers.

[Unregistered user]

Well this may throw a whole lotta minds outa whack!

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/9...744374784.html

And furthermore;

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/24...port-says.html