NRA Chief Speaks Out

[millsboy79]

Originally Posted by sns2

Warning. This is what will get you a timeout faster than you can say the word. This is an outdoors forum and you are in the General Discussion section. Not everyone has to agree with your view of the world. If you don't like someones view, engage them in a discussion for the purpose of understanding, or move on. Trying to stereotype a law enforcement officer as anti-gun because he doesn't agree with US legislation won't be accepted. Period.

Originally Posted by Supergrit

I have many guns I see no need for public to buy bump stocks semi auto rifles with 20 shot or bigger clips (five is enough). I will take Canadian gun laws over the US any day. Retstricted guns in Canada are for gun range only and that’s a good thing although criminals don’t follow this but that why there criminals.
The US has many things they must do to solve the gun violence restricting what weapons that are on gun shelves is a first big step. Restricting what types of guns probably won’t stop the shootings but it might make them less severe.

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[Newview01]

Originally Posted by R3illy

apparently its the video games.. the video games!!!!

So you don’t know either I take it... And I doubt you have a solution either.

[270person]

Originally Posted by HoytCRX32

Unfortunately people are still focussing on the implement, tool, gun, whatever, as an isolated issue, when in fact societal issues, political issues, health issues, cultural issues all ultimately contribute to tragedies such as this.

You are correct sir. It's a combination of many factors at the root of the problem. Still, many of those factors are present in other places than just the U.S., why do they have the biggest problem?

Those same issues are present in Canada as well. Maybe we'd get a better score on the mental health services but maybe not. Theres an attitude down there that just doesn't exist in other places. Whatever the reality is, it's going to take generations to effect real change.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by R3illy

So you support bump stocks and automatic rifles for everyone in canada for anyone who wants one?

America is messed up because of their stupid gun beliefs. With your analogy we should give a bump stock to every person who buys a gun because we shouldnt have any reasonable laws.

Why is it if your against certain aspects to guns or want reasonable laws that your automatically asking to take away every gun owners rights? This is the problem with the nra.

If you think it's gun beliefs that are the issue then you're equally mistaken. What beliefs put it into the murderers head he should walk into the school and kill innocents?

Was it the soap box shouting if the AK47? The repetitive preaching of the Sig Sauer? No, no.....it was the seductive whispers of the Armalite of course.

You know, if you actually pay attention to these trials after the tragedy you'll learn something about mass shootings. They almost always involve psych evaluations for the court proceedings when the offenders are alive. And they report those.

I've yet to read one that doesn't show personality disorders that show extreme forms of paranioa or narcissism.

Funny thing is when you look into these issues they are not "sorry you're born with it" disorders. They're developed.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say if you're telling people how badass you are, putting pictures and statements on social media about how bad add you are.....you might be a narcissist.

I can't think of other types of glorified people in the US that do the same..........

[270person]

Originally Posted by rem338win

I've yet to read one that doesn't show personality disorders that show extreme forms of paranioa or narcissism.

Funny thing is when you look into these issues they are not "sorry you're born with it" disorders. They're developed.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say if you're telling people how badass you are, putting pictures and statements on social media about how bad add you are.....you might be a narcissist.

Big troubles if Trump buys himself a gun then.

[Sporty]

Originally Posted by Newview01

So you don’t know either I take it... And I doubt you have a solution either.

I don't think many have any form of solution but when the children in the US are the ones that are watching their school mates dying, it's understandable that they are seeking some form of solutions from the leaders of their country. The pro and anti gun crowds are so busy brow beating each other that nothing gets done. I watched this video and although he may have had some valid points, he lost me with the fear mongering, grandstanding, mocking and belittling comments.

There were trained officers who were outside of the school, people who are trained with weapons and, I would hope, crisis response yet the NRA and Trump thinks the only fix is to arm teachers? Pretty sad if that's all they can come up with.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by 270person

Big troubles if Trump buys himself a gun then.

I think the issue is when the extreme narcissist doesn't have an outlet or fanboys. We are in no danger of a Trump mass shooting.

And why does the narcissist need a gun to do harm? Obviously there are other methods.

[Bub]

Whatever happened to middle ground reasonable people coming up with solutions to problems. As long as different people plan on living in the same country, there will always have to be trade offs and both sides would have to give something up and meet in the middle. It ain’t art of the deal. One side screaming ban guns and other screaming guns for everyone is pretty rediculous. Nothing will be achieved.

In my view, once politicians start seriously talking about arming the teacher(s) of the school my kids go to and there is a possibility of my kids getting shot to the extent that I would be considering buying them a bulletproof backpack, I will start packing and looking for new country to live in.

[2 Tollers]

Originally Posted by Bub

Whatever happened to middle ground reasonable people coming up with solutions to problems. As long as different people plan on living in the same country, there will always have to be trade offs and both sides would have to give something up and meet in the middle. It ain’t art of the deal. One side screaming ban guns and other screaming guns for everyone is pretty rediculous. Nothing will be achieved.

The US changed a number of years back. It went from politically parties working together for the population to being about winners and losers. Now the winners want to make it obvious that the losers have lost and push their own agendas without compromise (which is bad as not all ideas from the losing side are bad). The losers do everything in their power to make the winners look bad, instead of stepping forward and saying the population wants change and we need to listen.

There is no middle ground.

IMO - This really started to occur after Reagan.

[R3illy]

one of the nra spokers woman were speaking to a big town hall where she refused to answer gun control questions. The ones she answered painted the shooter as the problem.

Then she pointed fingers at the media for loving mass shootings as its a gold mine for ratings.

This is why people arent a fan of the nra.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by R3illy

one of the nra spokers woman were speaking to a big town hall where she refused to answer gun control questions. The ones she answered painted the shooter as the problem.

Then she pointed fingers at the media for loving mass shootings as its a gold mine for ratings.

This is why people arent a fan of the nra.

Last I heard, the shooter WAS the problem....Anything else is just a left handed spin

[Hunter guy]

Originally Posted by R3illy

one of the nra spokers woman were speaking to a big town hall where she refused to answer gun control questions. The ones she answered painted the shooter as the problem.

Then she pointed fingers at the media for loving mass shootings as its a gold mine for ratings.

This is why people arent a fan of the nra.

Isn't the shooter the problem? That's like saying the spoon made me fat...

If society also cared so much for our children we wouldn't be letting pedophiles out warning the public they are likely to reoffend...

[2 Tollers]

Originally Posted by R3illy

one of the nra spokers woman were speaking to a big town hall where she refused to answer gun control questions. The ones she answered painted the shooter as the problem.

Then she pointed fingers at the media for loving mass shootings as its a gold mine for ratings.

This is why people arent a fan of the nra.

Watching your trolling posts has been amusing to say the least. Keeping this incident focused on the individual, the role of the police and the media should be what the NRA does.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by R3illy

one of the nra spokers woman were speaking to a big town hall where she refused to answer gun control questions. The ones she answered painted the shooter as the problem.

Then she pointed fingers at the media for loving mass shootings as its a gold mine for ratings.

This is why people arent a fan of the nra.

Unless the firearms loaded themselves, and went around shooting people, of course the shooter is the problem. As for the media, I wish that I could say that she was wrong, but there is some truth in what she said. The media takes every opportunity to use phrases like "assault rifle" to sensationalize events, and to make the firearms sound evil.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by R3illy

one of the nra spokers woman were speaking to a big town hall where she refused to answer gun control questions. The ones she answered painted the shooter as the problem.

Then she pointed fingers at the media for loving mass shootings as its a gold mine for ratings.

This is why people arent a fan of the nra.

Those people are also not a fan of the truth.

Not people we should be pandering to.

[covey ridge]

Originally Posted by Newview01

So what did you like about the NRA when you purchased your very first firearm?

I was told that we were in imminent danger of loosing our rights to hunt and the NRA was the only answer. I got a card and a patch and a letter asking me to send a bit more money because I had paid in Canadian funds. Lyndon Johnson was president and he was a democrat and I come from a long line of republicans. I believed that BS.

When I chose not to continue my membership the world did not come to an end. What did I like? NOTHING!

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by covey ridge

I was told that we were in imminent danger of loosing our rights to hunt and the NRA was the only answer. I got a card and a patch and a letter asking me to send a bit more money because I had paid in Canadian funds. Lyndon Johnson was president and he was a democrat and I come from a long line of republicans. I believed that BS.

When I chose not to continue my membership the world did not come to an end. What did I like? NOTHING!

So you don't like being lied by organizations wanting your money? Fair point, and I have no doubt the NRA twists some truths to boost their numbers.

However, I don't like being lied to either, by organizations that want my freedom.

I'd rather give my money to the NRA than my freedom to the government.

[R3illy]

American gun culture has nothing to do with their mass shootings... no not at all.

No its as simple as blaming the shooter...

Yet the mass shootings continue to happen multiple times a year... its too bad the answers dont come so easily to those who want to prevent them from happening again.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by R3illy

American gun culture has nothing to do with their mass shootings... no not at all.

No its as simple as blaming the shooter...

Yet the mass shootings continue to happen multiple times a year... its too bad the answers dont come so easily to those who want to prevent them from happening again.

So what law would prevent these mass shootings from happening? Seriously, what would it take?

[xxclaro]

There is no one law that will magically fix this. If laws were the perfect solution we would have no crime. The problem goes way deeper than "gun culture". Guns of all types have been readily available in the US for as long as its been around, so why is this happening now? If the guns didn't cause school shootings then, why suddenly now? I understand people want to feel like something is being done, but unless the actions taken actually adress the root cause, all your doing is loosing liberty without gaining safety. I don't know how to link the vids but if you really want someone to explain how these people's minds work and why this happens, YouTube Dr. Jordan Peterson's video's on it, they are excellent.

[elkhunter11]

This is interesting, both the AR-15 rifle, and LAR 10 round magazines are legal to possess in Canada, so even our Canadian regulations, would not have prevented the shooter from legally accessing them.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...ity-magazines/

[Suzukisam]

Hey rember Jim jones. Mass killing without guns. Used brainwashing and cyanide so these crazy’s will always exist unfortunately.

[antlercarver]

A single shot firearm will work at the range, target is not going anywhere.
A singleshot is all thats needed by skilled hunters unless you are after
dangerous animals like grizzlies or people.
If you boil all arguments down to the very beginning, you may find that either
votes or money, which are the same thing, will be the cause.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by antlercarver

A single shot firearm will work at the range, target is not going anywhere.
A singleshot is all thats needed by skilled hunters unless you are after
dangerous animals like grizzlies or people.
If you boil all arguments down to the very beginning, you may find that either
votes or money, which are the same thing, will be the cause.

If your idea of targets is the clay games, as in skeet and sporting clays, they are going somewhere, and a single shot won't work. Single shots are also not the most suitable guns for serious waterfowl hunting, or for calling n coyotes, when they come in two or three at a time.

[covey ridge]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

If your idea of targets is the clay games, as in skeet and sporting clays, they are going somewhere, and a single shot won't work. .

Most of the clay sports limit the firearm to only two rounds loaded.

[covey ridge]

It is interesting to note that even for serious water fowl hunting there is a limit of 3 in the firearm.

If one were a coyote hunter I can see on wanting an AR with a few loaded clips especially if a whole herd of dogs came to the call

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by covey ridge

Most of the clay sports limit the firearm to only two rounds loaded.

Yes they do, but in case you failed to notice, I was replying to a post that stated that a single shot was all that a person needs, which is not true if you shoot skeet or sporting clays. And not all people shooting skeet or sporting clays use two shot firearms, many people prefer to use semi autos, which hold three rounds with the plug in place, and five rounds without the plug.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by covey ridge

It is interesting to note that even for serious water fowl hunting there is a limit of 3 in the firearm.

If one were a coyote hunter I can see on wanting an AR with a few loaded clips especially if a whole herd of dogs came to the call

Although Alberta limits us to three shots, some jurisdictions allow more than three rounds when hunting snow geese.

For hunting coyotes, I actually found the AR-15 to be very practical , especially when several coyotes came in at once. I have had up to five coyotes in range at once, and three a few times. The 20 round magazine made carrying spare magazines unnecessary.

[covey ridge]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Yes they do, but in case you failed to notice, I was replying to a post that stated that a single shot was all that a person needs, which is not true if you shoot skeet or sporting clays. And not all people shooting skeet or sporting clays use two shot firearms, many people prefer to use semi autos, which hold three rounds with the plug in place, and five rounds without the plug.

I did not fail to notice anything. Your reply did not tell him anything that he probably did not already know, Same goes for my reply to you. ex. Even though most semi autos hold 3 with the plug in place, only 2 rounds are allowed for shooting the clay sports, except single shots are allowed in 16 yard and handicap trap. I know you know that but it is the same old same old that you push all the time.

[covey ridge]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

For hunting coyotes, I actually found the AR-15 to be very practical , especially when several coyotes came in at once. I have had up to five coyotes in range at once, and three a few times. The 20 round magazine made carrying spare magazines unnecessary.

That is cool, but as you know that is not legal anymore