Antarctica hits record ice growth - Great news!

[Sundancefisher]

This is great. Overall ice remains stable. Antarctic ice continues to grow.

Awesome!

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ant.../29/id/579853/

The sea ice coverage around Antarctica over the weekend marked a record high, with the ice surrounding the continent measuring at 2.07 million square kilometers, according to an environmentalist and author who says the ice there has actually been increasing since 1979 despite continued warnings of global warming.

The new record was posted for the first time by the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign’s online record, The Cryosphere Today, early Sunday morning.

It's not apparent if the record actually occurred on Friday or Saturday, says Harold Ambler on his blog, Talking About the Weather.

Ambler is a journalist and author of the book "Don't Sell Your Coat: Surprising Truths About Climate Change."

"The previous record anomaly for Southern Hemisphere sea ice area was 1.840 million square kilometers and occurred on December 20, 2007," said Ambler. Meanwhile, he pointed out, global sea ice area on Sunday was standing at 0.991 million square kilometers above average, a figure he arrived at by adding anomalies for the North and South hemispheres.

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While early models predicted the sea ice would decrease because of global warming, other models are showing that the opposite is happening around Antarctica, where sea ice growth is increasing.

"A freshening of the waters surrounding the southernmost continent as well as the strengthening of the winds circling it were both theorized as explanations for the steady growth of Antarctica’s sea ice during the period of satellite measurement," said Ambler.

However, he pointed out that climatologists have discounted the importance and growth of the Antarctic sea ice.

According to Walt Meier, formerly of the National Snow and Ice Data Center and currently of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, most of the Antarctic sea ice does not survive between years, and it's less significant to the Earth's climate than is the ice around the Arctic.

Meanwhile, Ambler said that the growth of the Antarctic sea ice is providing "a public relations problem, at a minimum, for those warning of global warming’s menace."

During the past 18 months, global sea ice "has seen its most robust 18-month period of the last 13 years, maintaining, on average, a positive anomaly for an 18-month period for the first time since 2001," he wrote.

[Sundancefisher]

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/2...-sea-ice-area/



Facts don't lie.

Ice on our planet is not suffering.

[fish gunner]

So wild fluctuations as predicted in some models. Hmm

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

So wild fluctuations as predicted in some models. Hmm

Yes.

Global warming models predicted melting ice sheets. Instead 18 years of no warming and what we see now with tons of CO2 released is record ice in Antarctica.

Crazy I know. If the earth was really warming out of control because of CO2...why no warming in 18 years...why did Arctic ice recover this year and why is Antarctic showing record ice preceded by growth since the 1970's.

Awesome.

[Tundra Monkey]

Al Gore owes me a palm tree on the shores of Great Slave!!

[fish gunner]

Sorry sdf you completely wrong sea ice is increasing total ice mass is dropping . An actual temp rise since 1955 is the trend. Good try though. Im just joe public. http://www.skepticalscience.com/incr...termediate.htm would appear these numbers say you mostly wrong. Wonder why so many cold temp critters ie penguin and polar bears are being affected if as you suggest nothing is amiss.

[Redfrog]

I'm afraid I have to agree with Fish Gunner on this one. I drove past gull lake last week and ALL the ice, yes ALL of it was melted.

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

I'm afraid I have to agree with Fish Gunner on this one. I drove past gull lake last week and ALL the ice, yes ALL of it was melted.

Excellent observation RF however that is a normal annual event. Ice sheets the size of alberta going missing over a few years then suddenly showing up again would appear as anomalous ice events more so as total ice mass is dropping. Sea ice is not stable in many years . However land ice (currently dropping) is this is the real concern . Hay in just joe public pointing out the need for individual research.

[bison]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

Sorry sdf you completely wrong sea ice is increasing total ice mass is dropping . An actual temp rise since 1955 is the trend. Good try though. Im just joe public. http://www.skepticalscience.com/incr...termediate.htm would appear these numbers say you mostly wrong. Wonder why so many cold temp critters ie penguin and polar bears are being affected if as you suggest nothing is amiss.

There are more polar bears today than ever before in history

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by bison

There are more polar bears today than ever before in history

Not acording to these scientists. http://www.polarbearsinternational.o...ations-booming. In fact the cessasion of hunting pressure may have helped some populations recover. However overall this is not the trend . Next.....

[expmler]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

Not acording to these scientists. http://www.polarbearsinternational.o...ations-booming. In fact the cessasion of hunting pressure may have helped some populations recover. However overall this is not the trend . Next.....

I guess we should just ignore the "DONATE" button at the top of that website.

Try giving this a read.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/30/sc...public-demand/

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by expmler

I guess we should just ignore the "DONATE" button at the top of that website.

Try giving this a read.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/30/sc...public-demand/

Please oh great unenlightend one explain the issue with the donate section of a web site. Many well respected conservation org. Have such a button . Why ignore that fact.lololololo should we ignore the oil and gas administrator link on you page link lolol at least my link is honest as to there intent. Really your link only reinforces the fact that polar bear numbers are need further study. However given large numbers of carcasses in numbers not before recorded ill side with the bears and sdf's link to wild fluctuations in ice formations .

[Skybuster]

C'mon guys, sure Antarctica is staying cold, even with Global warming. Everyone knows hot air rises. Duh! Its the northern arctic we have to worry about.

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by Skybuster

C'mon guys, sure Antarctica is staying cold, even with Global warming. Everyone knows hot air rises. Duh! Its the northern arctic we have to worry about.

Sorry land ice and air temps say your wrong ... but hay we know that cause you did not read the links ... but given you call sign doubt you care.

[beltburner]

With all the media hype and hiding of the true facts how can a person make an informed decision? I think ill stick with the idea that the earth changes no matter what we do.

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by beltburner

With all the media hype and hiding of the true facts how can a person make an informed decision? I think ill stick with the idea that the earth changes no matter what we do.

That is the easy choice. Find as many sources as you can there are two sides to every story somewhere in the middle is the truth. Imo .

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

Sorry sdf you completely wrong sea ice is increasing total ice mass is dropping . An actual temp rise since 1955 is the trend. Good try though. Im just joe public. http://www.skepticalscience.com/incr...termediate.htm would appear these numbers say you mostly wrong. Wonder why so many cold temp critters ie penguin and polar bears are being affected if as you suggest nothing is amiss.

Your blog is better than my blog battle.

I am just posting the facts.

No warming in 18 years.

Antarctic ice biggest ever. No wonder those poor global warming scientists got stuck in record ice.

Pity.

...and polar bears are doing fine.

http://isthereglobalcooling.com/

Polar Bear populations are of record size.

Study shows Polar Bear populations have not been harmed by a reduction in Arctic ice. link link Some say Polar Bears are threatened but there are more polar bears today than ever recorded, an increase of 300%+ since the 1950s. link link The scientific name for Polar bears is Ursus Maritimus, which means sea bear. Polar Bears are excellent swimmers and can swim 200 miles or more link. A Polar Bear with a radio tracking collar swam over 400 miles in 9 days and without rest link Polar bears have survived periods when the Arctic melted completely in the past (they moved to land). Polar bear face bright future link See why the reduction in Arctic ice has actually had a beneficial impact on Polar Bears. link

Polar bear numbers overall have increased, despite the appearance of a ‘stable’ global population since 2001 and significant declines in Arctic sea ice coverage in summer. The global population estimate generated by the PBSG (20,000-25,000 bears, as of July2013) has been virtually unchanged since 2001, giving the impression that declines in some subpopulations have been offset by increases in others. However, adjustments to a few subpopulation estimates (primarily changing estimates that had formerly been included in
the total to zero (0), without adjusting the total downward) suggest that the actual numbers must have increased by 2650 to 5700 bears since 2001.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

Excellent observation RF however that is a normal annual event. Ice sheets the size of alberta going missing over a few years then suddenly showing up again would appear as anomalous ice events more so as total ice mass is dropping. Sea ice is not stable in many years . However land ice (currently dropping) is this is the real concern . Hay in just joe public pointing out the need for individual research.

Sorry to burst your bubble. Land ice is far from stable. In fact 13000 years ago the Columbia icefields were 130 km away.

Not stable. Sorry. Ice melts. Climate changes naturally. Ice comes, ice goes, ice comes back.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

Sorry land ice and air temps say your wrong ... but hay we know that cause you did not read the links ... but given you call sign doubt you care.

Now you have ice temp readings. Please do tell.

Ice melts when warm. Antarctic ice has reach record size. Your excuse is that ice, land and air temps are hot so the ice grew?

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Sorry to burst your bubble. Land ice is far from stable. In fact 13000 years ago the Columbia icefields were 130 km away.

Not stable. Sorry. Ice melts. Climate changes naturally. Ice comes, ice goes, ice comes back.

We're discussing Antarctica. Land ice on the continent is falling for the first time in recorded history . Please dont forget im joe public here and have managed to find info supporting the position of ice reduction planet wide. Why such a reduction in the last 50 odd years??

[tri777]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

..Climate changes naturally.
Ice comes, ice goes, ice comes back.

But the biggest of all questions is,
when will man
(at least those running&preaching this mad warming show)
tire of his fabled & pretty coloured graphs/charts,
grasp these hard truths..

[fish gunner]

Hmmm some fairly impressive society's feel similar to little old me. Lets just get some perspective, surface area of trees world wide reduced, huge areas of the oceans showing mono culture (jelly fish ) huge dead zones also encounterd. Coral reef area reduced. giant O2 factories and Co consumers being reduced.
Human CO production up basicly world wide. This I belive is confirmed and basicly of no argument . So again joe public find support from the scientific community http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scien...climate_change. How can this be ..giant conspiracy lololol yep me and the royal society lololol.

[bison]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

We're discussing Antarctica. Land ice on the continent is falling for the first time in recorded history . Please dont forget im joe public here and have managed to find info supporting the position of ice reduction planet wide. Why such a reduction in the last 50 odd years??

To many scientist crawling all over these glaciers and pitching tents and lighting fires makes some ice melt and the rest melts because of politicians blowing hot air

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by tri777

But the biggest of all questions is,
when will man
(at least those running&preaching this mad warming show)
tire of his fabled & pretty coloured graphs/charts,
grasp these hard truths..

In centuries or millennia yes not in the mere decades we see today. Then presto I belive three years to highes(temporary) ice cover in two decades. See sdf is not letting on single year sea ice is of little or no consiquence till it survives a few seasons again supporting wild fluctuations as suggested by many models.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

We're discussing Antarctica. Land ice on the continent is falling for the first time in recorded history . Please dont forget im joe public here and have managed to find info supporting the position of ice reduction planet wide. Why such a reduction in the last 50 odd years??

I see.

You clearly forgot to check into it during your Internet search.

Lots of info on this. Apparently the volcanos under the ice are warming up. In fact the melting is due to natural earth magma.

Can't blame man on that unfortunately.

And yet a record ice year. Global warming alarmists are in full damage control to try and twist this into proof of warming.

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by bison

To many scientist crawling all over these glaciers and pitching tents and lighting fires makes some ice melt and the rest melts because of politicians blowing hot air

Wow, the kindergarden answer. well done sir, you achived the seven yr old level of intelligent discussion.

[expmler]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

Please oh great unenlightend one explain the issue with the donate section of a web site. Many well respected conservation org. Have such a button . Why ignore that fact.lololololo should we ignore the oil and gas administrator link on you page link lolol at least my link is honest as to there intent. Really your link only reinforces the fact that polar bear numbers are need further study. However given large numbers of carcasses in numbers not before recorded ill side with the bears and sdf's link to wild fluctuations in ice formations .

Just another self interest group like Green Peace and PETA making wild unproven claims to pad their pockets by jumping on the AGW bandwagon.

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

I see.

You clearly forgot to check into it during your Internet search.

Lots of info on this. Apparently the volcanos under the ice are warming up. In fact the melting is due to natural earth magma.

Can't blame man on that unfortunately.

And yet a record ice year. Global warming alarmists are in full damage control to try and twist this into proof of warming.

As of the last ten yrs ?? As in my other post the sea ice cover is of little remark till it survives a few years. I got a dollar it wont.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

In centuries or millennia yes not in the mere decades we see today. Then presto I belive three years to highes(temporary) ice cover in two decades. See sdf is not letting on single year sea ice is of little or no consiquence till it survives a few seasons again supporting wild fluctuations as suggested by many models.

Again. Wild fluctuates. Hell and brimstone fears.

Since the 1970's...ice in Antarctica has been steadily growing...even in the face of volcanic warming underneath the ice. Why?

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

As of the last ten yrs ?? As in my other post the sea ice cover is of little remark till it survives a few years. I got a dollar it wont.

Well.. If you said that in 1970...you would of lost the bet as ice has grown steadily since.