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New rail thru AB?
I just read where the President has signed approval for a rail line from the US to Alberta then on to Alaska. It’s being spoken as a good thing for all.
What say you good people?
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09-26-2020, 04:57 PM
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Not holding my breath for any oil related projects do to present history of political red tape, protesters, and FN opposition here in Canada. Then add in the up coming election in the USA that could also have an effect on this depending on the results.
If the project actually goes through it could be a small boost economically but really pipelines are needed not more oil transported by rail
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09-26-2020, 05:32 PM
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Trump also wants to open a few million acres of Alaska to logging.
Better still Trump should just sell Alaska to Canada.
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09-26-2020, 06:04 PM
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Trump also wants to open a few million acres of Alaska to logging.
Better still Trump should just sell Alaska to Canada.
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We should sell Alberta to the US....
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09-26-2020, 06:07 PM
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Trump also wants to open a few million acres of Alaska to logging.
Better still Trump should just sell Alaska to Canada.
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Canada can't manage what it has now.
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09-26-2020, 06:12 PM
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We should sell Alberta to the US....
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Having been to Alaska I wouldnt wish that on any of the nice people I met, and still keep in touch with.
In regards to the oil comment, Alaska has long had a problem of getting the oil out of it, without paying Canada a cent. From the talk I heard while I was up there, tankers hauling oil from AK to the lower 48 are forbidden to even use Canadian ports en-route. I would be very curious to hear the proposed conditions of this rail line. Either a loosening of those regulations, or a royal screwing of Canada is in the works. I'd be more inclined to believe the latter at this point.
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09-26-2020, 06:23 PM
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We should sell Alberta to the US....
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Dare to dream
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09-26-2020, 10:06 PM
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Having been to Alaska I wouldnt wish that on any of the nice people I met, and still keep in touch with.
In regards to the oil comment, Alaska has long had a problem of getting the oil out of it, without paying Canada a cent. From the talk I heard while I was up there, tankers hauling oil from AK to the lower 48 are forbidden to even use Canadian ports en-route. I would be very curious to hear the proposed conditions of this rail line. Either a loosening of those regulations, or a royal screwing of Canada is in the works. I'd be more inclined to believe the latter at this point.
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If the US is the one proposing the rails, then it's to their benefit not ours... if Canada is the one proposing the rails, then the US will say no!
plain and simple...
and sad to hear a lot of people on this forum want to be sold to the US... i've always heard about how other provinces were tagged as separatists, but obviously it's spreading west!
people don't realize what we have i guess
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09-27-2020, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Bushleague
Having been to Alaska I wouldnt wish that on any of the nice people I met, and still keep in touch with.
In regards to the oil comment, Alaska has long had a problem of getting the oil out of it, without paying Canada a cent. From the talk I heard while I was up there, tankers hauling oil from AK to the lower 48 are forbidden to even use Canadian ports en-route. I would be very curious to hear the proposed conditions of this rail line. Either a loosening of those regulations, or a royal screwing of Canada is in the works. I'd be more inclined to believe the latter at this point.
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Memories of the Exon Valdez still rankle people and the law suits haven't ben settled , 30 years after the event.
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09-27-2020, 11:03 AM
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Seems obvious that a pipeline to Alaska and tide water would make much more sense than another high risk/high cost/barrel railroad for oil transportation.
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09-27-2020, 08:04 PM
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There is zero chance that the Canadian portion gets built with all the sensitivities around indigenous and the environment. Bank that.
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09-27-2020, 08:52 PM
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I’ve been following this story and it sounds promising along with the keystone. Plans may very well change if Biden gets in so I’m not getting my hopes up.
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09-27-2020, 09:14 PM
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09-28-2020, 12:15 PM
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Well seeing as he's only signed off on the initial application there is still a lot to do in both the US and Canada before ground is broken. The problem I see with it is how are they planning on dealing with the loss of permafrost under the line cause they likely won't even finish laying track before having to fix previously built parts if they don't account for this. Just look at what is happening with the Dempster Highway:
https://youtu.be/R8ynabSmGGs?t=367
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09-28-2020, 07:24 PM
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we should sell alberta to the us....
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09-28-2020, 07:53 PM
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No. You good people keep being Albertans. It would seem to me nothing is perfect but having another way of getting your production to the ocean and receiving trade goods from the same is a good thing.
Cut a deal. The guy down here who just signed off on this is a deal maker. Besides the construction and access revenue, work with him and get a piece no?
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10-05-2020, 04:24 PM
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Well it didn't take long for our Alberta hating PM to hint that the rail probably won't be built (as I suspected)....this government is determined to shut in the resource sector no matter the cost, financial or human. When laws are passed specifically targeted at one province's prosperity, to kneecap it, that province should consider strongly what benefits, if any, there are in an abusive Confederation.
https://www.westernstandardonline.co...berta-railway/
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10-05-2020, 06:29 PM
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Well it didn't take long for our Alberta hating PM to hint that the rail probably won't be built (as I suspected)....this government is determined to shut in the resource sector no matter the cost, financial or human. When laws are passed specifically targeted at one province's prosperity, to kneecap it, that province should consider strongly what benefits, if any, there are in an abusive Confederation.
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I, like many, knew trudeau the slime ball would scuttle the idea as fast as possible.
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10-05-2020, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
Well it didn't take long for our Alberta hating PM to hint that the rail probably won't be built (as I suspected)....this government is determined to shut in the resource sector no matter the cost, financial or human. When laws are passed specifically targeted at one province's prosperity, to kneecap it, that province should consider strongly what benefits, if any, there are in an abusive Confederation.
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Why in the world would any PM try to hamper prosperity/revenue opportunity in a province?
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10-05-2020, 06:36 PM
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I, like many, knew trudeau the slime ball would scuttle the idea as fast as possible.
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It went without saying. He is a pathological country destroyer.
He particularly hates Alberta, Osky. It's part of the curriculum in his elitist upbringing.
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Why in the world would any PM try to hamper prosperity/revenue opportunity in a province?
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Because Jobs will create wealth, wealth creates independent people who are thinking for themselves and do not need his bloody government to tell them what to do. Once everyone is poor, they will be waiting for the handouts like a bunch of puppies begging for food of the table.... He knows that perfectly well- look at the Ontario who elected him for his free money to everybody promises! 
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Because Jobs will create wealth, wealth creates independent people who are thinking for themselves and do not need his bloody government to tell them what to do. Once everyone is poor, they will be waiting for the handouts like a bunch of puppies begging for food of the table.... He knows that perfectly well- look at the Ontario who elected him for his free money to everybody promises! |
One more reason for the west to leave Canada. There is no hope for us in confederation. Doesn’t matter who holds house in Ottawa.
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Because Jobs will create wealth, wealth creates independent people who are thinking for themselves and do not need his bloody government to tell them what to do. Once everyone is poor, they will be waiting for the handouts like a bunch of puppies begging for food of the table.... He knows that perfectly well- look at the Ontario who elected him for his free money to everybody promises! |
Maybe we as albertans should finally pull together and seriously look at separation!
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Or you could all leave. 
And it would be easier too. 
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Why in the world would any PM try to hamper prosperity/revenue opportunity in a province?
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Because he’s jealous of guys like Murray Edwards and Grant ***erheim coming from relatively humble beginnings and ending up with more wealth than him and his old money cronies.
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Comments like yours are a big part of why separation is is being considered more and more. Respect for fellow Canadians is declining driving a deeper wedge and it actually promotes separation
Now if you were an intelligent man who wanted to see Canada remain whole you could provide valid ways to improve the present situation in the west or possibly promote unity and try to strengthen pride in this country.
But nah instead promoting frustration or anger amongst Albertans is a way better option to keep confederation strong 
Keep fanning those flames
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Because Jobs will create wealth, wealth creates independent people who are thinking for themselves and do not need his bloody government to tell them what to do. Once everyone is poor, they will be waiting for the handouts like a bunch of puppies begging for food of the table.... He knows that perfectly well- look at the Ontario who elected him for his free money to everybody promises! |
It really does appear that this is the end game here.
It's a scenario that has been played over and over all over the globe, and I just shake my head that those who play into the socialist agenda think that this time around it will be any different.
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Where would Canada be if all of the people that wanted to work for a living, and pay taxes left? Who would pay the transfer payments to Quebec? 
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It really does appear that this is the end game here.
It's a scenario that has been played over and over all over the globe, and I just shake my head that those who play into the socialist agenda think that this time around it will be any different.
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But, everybody else did it wrong. This time will be different!
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Comments like yours are a big part of why separation is is being considered more and more. Respect for fellow Canadians is declining driving a deeper wedge and it actually promotes separation
Now if you were an intelligent man who wanted to see Canada remain whole you could provide valid ways to improve the present situation in the west or possibly promote unity and try to strengthen pride in this country.
But nah instead promoting frustration or anger amongst Albertans is a way better option to keep confederation strong
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An 'intelligent man' might recognize that under confederation, federal structures ensure that Alberta will never get a 'fair deal'. The deck is stacked. We're doomed to live under Ottawa's policies-of-the-day - no matter what party is in power. The present situation will never be improved from within. IMO, promoting appeasement is the disservice to Albertans.
Vote Trudeau, and encourage his increasingly destructive programs against our province. Then, perhaps, the fence-sitters who long for a 'unified' Canada will see the hopelessness of that fiction, and we'll start going alone.
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