New rail thru AB?

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

But, everybody else did it wrong. This time will be different!

That cartoon is brilliant, TC!

[KGB]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

Or you could all leave.


And it would be easier too.

I ain’t f&$*ing leaving! I left once already, and that was 27 years ago. I left Soviet Union, I know first hand what socialism is. I have seen it’s ugly face closer that any one of you... 27 years ago I came to this beautiful province and I had never looked back. I ate my pile of crap at the beginning just like most of new new comers.
At this moment I’m prepared to fight for what we had before Turd took over. I do what I can. We are not finished, we are not done! Alberta separation? It is absolutely on a table for me. Personally, I think we would be better off that way but I also understand the importance of the united Canada.
The biggest issue for all of us right now is to get rid of the current liberals. I remember a few liberal governments in my 27 years here and none of them were as idiotic and treasonous as this one.

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by KGB

I ain’t f&$*ing leaving! I left once already, and that was 27 years ago. I left Soviet Union, I know first hand what socialism is. I have seen it’s ugly face closer that any one of you... 27 years ago I came to this beautiful province and I had never looked back. I ate my pile of crap at the beginning just like most of new new comers.
At this moment I’m prepared to fight for what we had before Turd took over. I do what I can. We are not finished, we are not done! Alberta separation? It is absolutely on a table for me. Personally, I think we would be better off that way but I also understand the importance of the united Canada.
The biggest issue for all of us right now is to get rid of the current liberals. I remember a few liberal governments in my 27 years here and none of them were as idiotic and treasonous as this one.

Exactly.

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by thumper

An 'intelligent man' might recognize that under confederation, federal structures ensure that Alberta will never get a 'fair deal'. The deck is stacked. We're doomed to live under Ottawa's policies-of-the-day - no matter what party is in power. The present situation will never be improved from within. IMO, promoting appeasement is the disservice to Albertans.
Vote Trudeau, and encourage his increasingly destructive programs against our province. Then, perhaps, the fence-sitters who long for a 'unified' Canada will see the hopelessness of that fiction, and we'll start going alone.

The present situation is not working and without changes to how governments are elected along with how the country is governed problems will continue

I view both separation and renegotiating Alberta’s terms regarding confederation as viable opinions. Presently I don’t see a solid plan in place for either of these options where I could throw full support in either direction

It is one thing to realize their is a problem but that doesn’t mean throwing support behind an idea without a well thought out plan of long term goals and steps to achieve them is a good idea either

I am keeping a realistic and open mind

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by Smoky buck

Comments like yours are a big part of why separation is is being considered more and more. Respect for fellow Canadians is declining driving a deeper wedge and it actually promotes separation

Now if you were an intelligent man who wanted to see Canada remain whole you could provide valid ways to improve the present situation in the west or possibly promote unity and try to strengthen pride in this country.

But nah instead promoting frustration or anger amongst Albertans is a way better option to keep confederation strong

Keep fanning those flames

As I said, those that dont like it here are free to leave.
Born here in Alberta and I like Canada. If you want to separate then just leave.
I'm proud to be a Canadian.

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

As I said, those that dont like it here are free to leave.
Born here in Alberta and I like Canada. If you want to separate then just leave.
I'm proud to be a Canadian.

I was born here too, and I like it here, and I have no intention of leaving. And I'd vote for separation in a heartbeat. Don't like it? Move to some other part of Canada. See ya.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

I was born here too, and I like it here, and I have no intention of leaving. And I'd vote for separation in a heartbeat. Don't like it? Move to some other part of Canada. See ya.

THIS^^^^^

All day long, the turd and Ottawa in general have left us no other option.

BW

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

As I said, those that dont like it here are free to leave.
Born here in Alberta and I like Canada. If you want to separate then just leave.
I'm proud to be a Canadian.

Clearly you don’t get it people like you’re self are just increasing the number of people willing to vote for separation

Now would you move if Alberta separated?because you are unintentionally promoting those on the fence to lean in that direction with your attitude towards others

Personally I am not for or against separation at this time. I lean more towards Alberta renegotiating terms before considering options like separation so not going anywhere at this time thanks

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

THIS^^^^^

All day long, the turd and Ottawa in general have left us no other option.

BW

Sounds like TDS of the North. Just substitute Trudeau for Trumps name.


LOL you and the others guys heads are going to explode when he(Trudeau) gets in again.

Wont be happy either but at least my head wont explode. lol

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by Smoky buck

Clearly you don’t get it people like you’re self are just increasing the number of people willing to vote for separation

Now would you move if Alberta separated?because you are unintentionally promoting those on the fence to lean in that direction with your attitude towards others

Personally I am not for or against separation at this time. I lean more towards Alberta renegotiating terms before considering options like separation so not going anywhere at this time thanks

And what if Southern Alberta wants to stay? Do we separate too?

Deal with the gall dang problems, pressure our politicians to make some changes.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

Sounds like TDS of the North. Just substitute Trudeau for Trumps name.


LOL you and the others guys heads are going to explode when he(Trudeau) gets in again.

Wont be happy either but at least my head wont explode. lol

I and others are willing to stand up to the turd and Ottawa to protect our way of life, to stand and fight for Alberta. We'll even protect your sorry butt, even though you are afraid to do so for yourself!

Just another snowflake getting greased by the turd!

BW

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

And what if Southern Alberta wants to stay? Do we separate too?

Deal with the gall dang problems, pressure our politicians to make some changes.

Exactly how does Alberta pressure Trudeau to make changes? He wants to destroy Alberta, and he doesn't care what it takes to do it.

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

And what if Southern Alberta wants to stay? Do we separate too?

About 75% or more of southern Albertans I know consider separation an option. Some of these are families have deep roots in Alberta going back to home steadiers. Some want it now others believe renegotiations should be attempted first

It’s not a north south issue or even oil and gas related but instead people feel they have no say in this country. People are fed up on how Alberta is governed and last election pushed many past the edge

Go ahead and start a movement for southern Alberta to become a separate province from the north but you will likely not see near the support western separation is.

The question still stands if separation is voted in by majority are you moving?

[lead chucker]

I have to agree with thumper, we as albertans will never get a fair deal under the liberals, conservatives, or any other federal party. I'm just tired of being the whipping boy that pays all the bill with nothing in return.

[Stinky Coyote]

Originally Posted by Big Grey Wolf

Seems obvious that a pipeline to Alaska and tide water would make much more sense than another high risk/high cost/barrel railroad for oil transportation.

but won't warren buffet pay the anti-oil groups to tell the world how crap and dirty our oil is so it can be sent on all his rail cars via rail on the Q T?

wait...i think i'm having deja vu

[Stinky Coyote]

i gotta say i like Canada, i like healthcare and ability to look after each other when we aren't strong enough too as our strength windows aren't life long

i think our leaders do a pizz poor job of uniting us on the big stuff like natural resources, we should move much more fluidly on all of them

trudeau is about trudeau, his fam and friends and quebec, could care less about national unity or the rest of the country really, no moral character or integrity, very poor choice for a national leader, that's what we get

we could be wealthy enough for so much more but we let the outside world control us, keep us divided, which lately hasn't been too hard as our current leader is doing it all by himself

not sure i'd want to be a constitutional republic, we just need to fix this country, lots of good here, just the resources and national unity overall is poor and that comes from the top down, that's real ownership

we are being stepped on like bugs, our votes aren't worth enough, it feels pretty hopeless here in alberta, just have to hope we can get some better leadership one day and fix some of our issues, all canadians votes need to count and much more equal regional representation and support

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by lead chucker

I have to agree with thumper, we as albertans will never get a fair deal under the liberals, conservatives, or any other federal party. I'm just tired of being the whipping boy that pays all the bill with nothing in return.

It's almost like being married.....whoops....

[lead chucker]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

It's almost like being married.....whoops....

I dont know what kind of marriage your in. But if mine was like that I'd have been gone long ago.

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by lead chucker

I dont know what kind of marriage your in. But if mine was like that I'd have been gone long ago.

Been married long enough to be able to joke about it. It's in much better shape than the relationship between Alberta and the ROC.

[lead chucker]

Originally Posted by twisted canuck

been married long enough to be able to joke about it. It's in much better shape than the relationship between alberta and the roc.

👍fair enough

[thumper]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

It's almost like being married.....whoops....

Can we all agree that Alberta is chronically abused by Ottawa?

Do you 'negotiate' with a serial abuser ?
Do you think you'll ever get "A fair deal" from a serial abuser?
Will whining that "it isn't fair" accomplish anything with a serial abuser ?

Do you threaten to leave in the hopes of negotiating better treatment?

No, - you simply walk away. Cut your losses and leave. Don't look back.

Actions: start by implementing every 'independent' strategy ever implemented by Quebec. Provincial police, health care, immigration, pension plan, foreign affairs, language 'rights' - everything - the works. Use the 'notwithstanding clause' to opt out of all future federal legislation, and some existing legislation. Quebec doesn't hesitate to use it, why shouldn't we? That's for starters.