Go Back   Alberta Outdoorsmen Forum > Main Category > Fishing Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #271  
Old 09-13-2011, 08:04 PM
horsetrader horsetrader is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 4,018
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sheephunter View Post
As do most things in this province it seems. What's best for the resource often takes a backseat to political pressure and lobby. BTW, I never called bass an invasive species in Alberta. They currently aren't that I'm aware of. I never said they'd have a negative impact either. I used the word "risk".
Your right i stand corrected my wording was incorrect..
Reply With Quote
  #272  
Old 09-13-2011, 08:07 PM
chubbdarter's Avatar
chubbdarter chubbdarter is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: cowtown
Posts: 6,653
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sheephunter View Post
It doesn't take a highly scientific mind to know the difference between a largemouth and smallmouth bass....I'm sure even the members of your common crowd know that. The link was a dud Chubb.

If you are really on the fence chub, take the time to give one of the bios a call.......it will likely make you fall right off. Or even type "effects of stocked bass on trout populations" into Google and brew up a pot of coffee because you'll be busy reading for the night. There's lots of info there if you really want to learn. As for bass surviving in Alberta, I've already said they would...that's been proven. What hasn't been proven is if they could spawn and I even said that is a possibility in the south, if you'd read my previous posts. Obviously there is no study on the internet about it because it's never been tried. The costs and associated risks are too great.
my total scientific knowledge comes from staring at Penny on the show Big Bang Theory
Reply With Quote
  #273  
Old 09-13-2011, 08:08 PM
greylynx greylynx is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 12,078
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jorg View Post
Here I agree with you 100 percent. I think TU holds all the cards They have strong support and a voice that the goverment listens too. They had the luxury of starting their group with trout already abundant in Alberta. I would think they would be against any plan by the goverment to change any of the stocking plans if it will affect trout rearing and distrubution.
That TU is a pretty bad organization.

Did you know that some members of TU own guns and hunt

Nobody at Bass Unlimited is like that.

I also heard that some TU members are part of the new world order.

Did you also hear about the TU members are part of cattle mutuliations in conjunction with extra terrestrials.

Wait till the Enquirer gets a hold of this information.
Reply With Quote
  #274  
Old 09-13-2011, 08:10 PM
Jorg's Avatar
Jorg Jorg is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Chestermere lake
Posts: 351
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by greylynx View Post
That TU is a pretty bad organiztion.

Did you know that some members of TU own guns and hunt

Nobody at Bass Unlimited is like that.
if you say so --is this some more of that wacky tabbacky talk I keep hearing about ?
__________________
I like fish cause they taste good

Last edited by Jorg; 09-13-2011 at 08:26 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #275  
Old 09-13-2011, 08:10 PM
sheephunter
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by chubbdarter View Post
my total scientific knowledge comes from staring at Penny on the show Big Bang Theory
LOL...she is cute in a geeky kind of way!
Reply With Quote
  #276  
Old 09-13-2011, 08:44 PM
horsetrader horsetrader is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 4,018
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sheephunter View Post
LOL...she is cute in a geeky kind of way!


SHEEP how can that be geeky i'll even fit harder for this then Bass....lol
Reply With Quote
  #277  
Old 09-13-2011, 08:46 PM
chubbdarter's Avatar
chubbdarter chubbdarter is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: cowtown
Posts: 6,653
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sheephunter View Post
LOL...she is cute in a geeky kind of way!
Youve spent too much time protecting the wild horses TJ
Reply With Quote
  #278  
Old 09-13-2011, 08:52 PM
bb356 bb356 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Rycroft
Posts: 21,548
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by horsetrader View Post


SHEEP how can that be geeky i'll even fit harder for this then Bass....lol
Thanks HT any more ???
Reply With Quote
  #279  
Old 09-13-2011, 08:53 PM
Dust1n Dust1n is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Central Alberta
Posts: 4,306
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by horsetrader View Post


SHEEP how can that be geeky i'll even fit harder for this then Bass....lol
isnt that bridget off 8simple rules?
Reply With Quote
  #280  
Old 09-13-2011, 08:54 PM
horsetrader horsetrader is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 4,018
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fish hunter7 View Post
isnt that bridget off 8simple rules?
yep she was
Reply With Quote
  #281  
Old 09-13-2011, 08:55 PM
bb356 bb356 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Rycroft
Posts: 21,548
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fish Hunter7 View Post
isnt that bridget off 8simple rules?
Yes !!! .............. and know we got some action in this thread !!!
Reply With Quote
  #282  
Old 09-13-2011, 09:21 PM
avb3 avb3 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Central Alberta
Posts: 7,861
Default

So this is what this whole thread has degraded to... a piece of bass:

Reply With Quote
  #283  
Old 09-13-2011, 09:41 PM
lauphman lauphman is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 8
Default

Whats the closest place to calgary one can go catch some bass?
Reply With Quote
  #284  
Old 09-13-2011, 09:45 PM
horsetrader horsetrader is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 4,018
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lauphman View Post
Whats the closest place to calgary one can go catch some bass?
Starting next week Hasse ..........
Reply With Quote
  #285  
Old 09-13-2011, 09:47 PM
chubbdarter's Avatar
chubbdarter chubbdarter is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: cowtown
Posts: 6,653
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lauphman View Post
Whats the closest place to calgary one can go catch some bass?
invermere...wasa
Reply With Quote
  #286  
Old 09-14-2011, 12:46 AM
npauls's Avatar
npauls npauls is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Lethbridge, Alberta
Posts: 4,060
Default

I am surprised no one has attempted to bucket stock a small trout pond with bass from bc. I know there is quite a few people that want them stocked in Alberta and you would think the bucket brigade would try and take matters into their own hands.
Reply With Quote
  #287  
Old 09-14-2011, 12:54 AM
SonnyJ SonnyJ is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,790
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by npauls View Post
I am surprised no one has attempted to bucket stock a small trout pond with bass from bc. I know there is quite a few people that want them stocked in Alberta and you would think the bucket brigade would try and take matters into their own hands.
Shush...don't say that..lol
Reply With Quote
  #288  
Old 09-14-2011, 02:41 AM
xtreme hunter10 xtreme hunter10 is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Edmonton, AB
Posts: 556
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sheephunter View Post
Ummmm no!
What do you mean no? lol. no you only fish for native species? or no you dont fish at all? No, you dont believe me? lmao. no what?
__________________
Hey Vegans/Vegitarians my food craps on your food!

Reply With Quote
  #289  
Old 09-14-2011, 04:00 AM
pickrel pat pickrel pat is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 7,268
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by xtreme hunter10 View Post
What do you mean no? lol. no you only fish for native species? or no you dont fish at all? No, you dont believe me? lmao. no what?
pretty sure he means "no, your wrong when you say most fish were introduced in alberta." very few were.
Reply With Quote
  #290  
Old 09-14-2011, 08:11 AM
horsetrader horsetrader is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 4,018
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pickrel pat View Post
pretty sure he means "no, your wrong when you say most fish were introduced in alberta." very few were.




11 species have all been introduced to the province, either through legal stocking or through illegal or accidental release. These fish are present in limited numbers in Alberta.
Reply With Quote
  #291  
Old 09-14-2011, 08:39 AM
sheephunter
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by xtreme hunter10 View Post
What do you mean no? lol. no you only fish for native species? or no you dont fish at all? No, you dont believe me? lmao. no what?
ummm no to your take on what is native to Alberta or more precisely, what isn't native.

Last edited by sheephunter; 09-14-2011 at 09:05 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #292  
Old 09-14-2011, 08:47 AM
sheephunter
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by horsetrader View Post
11 species have all been introduced to the province, either through legal stocking or through illegal or accidental release. These fish are present in limited numbers in Alberta.

I can come up with 14 off the top of my head but I could be missing a couple. A few of these are limited to national parks though and several do not exist any more.


Largemouth bass
Smallmouth bass
Rainbow trout
Brook Trout
Brown Trout
Golden Trout
Northern Dolly Varden
Grass carp
Coho Salmon
Quebec Red Trout
Atlantic Salmon
Kokanee salmon
Pumpkinseed Sunfish
Splake

Last edited by sheephunter; 09-14-2011 at 08:56 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #293  
Old 09-14-2011, 09:13 AM
Alex K Alex K is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 89
Default Hi TJ

Don't forget the Arctic Char that accidentally got loose from Allans trout farm a few years back. This situation was a huge concern to the effect it would have had on our Bull Trout fishery. Luckily I think they got them all.

Alex Kreis
Reply With Quote
  #294  
Old 09-14-2011, 09:19 AM
horsetrader horsetrader is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 4,018
Default

There are 65 species of fish in Alberta, 54 that are native or have well-established introduced populations and 11 additional exotic species

can't find a complete list of introduced species sent off an e-mail to SRD
Reply With Quote
  #295  
Old 09-14-2011, 09:23 AM
sheephunter
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by horsetrader View Post
There are 65 species of fish in Alberta, 54 that are native or have well-established introduced populations and 11 additional exotic species

can't find a complete list of introduced species sent off an e-mail to SRD
The list above is pretty complete I think, with the addition of the Arctic char that Alex mentioned. There are some other non-game type fish found in Banff, a result of aquarium stocking.
Reply With Quote
  #296  
Old 09-14-2011, 10:27 AM
steelhead steelhead is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: south
Posts: 308
Default

I get a kick out of those who use the BC example when comparing its bass problems to Alberta.


The 2 provinces have vastly differing climates. And that is a huge reason why bass would never harm trout streams and habitat in this province.


Has anyone ever caught a bass in the elk river? Koocanusa is full of them. No reports, and no cases. Why? Too cold for survival and spawning. Cold water fishery and a cool to warm water specie. Doesnt work.


In this province, if bass were to run rampant, bass would only be found invading warmer rivers, so, they would be where walleyes and goldeyes thrive. Rarely or never past those ranges. And in this province, there are lines on all these rivers where the walleyes and goldeyes stop, and theres nothing but trout and whites. do ya get it?

Considering bass compete well and co-exist nicely with pike and walleyes and perch, the would compliment many of our lakes if they were to invade them. As a smaller specie than pike and walleyes, they would provide a forage base much nedded in many lakes in this province. They have billions of studies showing that in many other states and provinces.


As for invading trout streams and destroying the ecosystems we are trying to save, from our past mistakes i might add, it will never happen. Warmer lakes, yes, potholes, yes. And thats ok. Trout rivers into the foothills, never happen and theres a bc example for that.


Ah yes, using a vancouver island stream example is laughable as they are a temperate rainforest and those islands rivers are naturally a perfect temperature for bass to thrive.



STEELHEAD
__________________
official leader of the internet forum opposition party.
Reply With Quote
  #297  
Old 09-14-2011, 10:43 AM
avb3 avb3 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Central Alberta
Posts: 7,861
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by steelhead View Post
The 2 provinces have vastly differing climates. And that is a huge reason why bass would never harm trout streams and habitat in this province.
Seeing your so *sure* of this, then you must have some peer reviewed studies which indicate the same. Or at least ONE, right?

Failing that, perhaps you can reference one biologist in Alberta who feels the same way?


Quote:
Considering bass compete well and co-exist nicely with pike and walleyes and perch, the would compliment many of our lakes if they were to invade them. As a smaller specie than pike and walleyes, they would provide a forage base much nedded in many lakes in this province.
Forage for native fish is not an issue. Anywhere.In.The.Province.

Habitat degradation, competition from introduced species and fishing pressure is.

Quote:
They have billions of studies showing that in many other states and provinces.
That is an extremely large body of science. Then you should have no problem in naming some of those that have the same eutrophic lake structure and climate as Alberta?
Reply With Quote
  #298  
Old 09-14-2011, 10:48 AM
sheephunter
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by steelhead View Post
Considering bass compete well and co-exist nicely with pike and walleyes and perch, the would compliment many of our lakes if they were to invade them. As a smaller specie than pike and walleyes, they would provide a forage base much nedded in many lakes in this province. They have billions of studies showing that in many other states and provinces.



STEELHEAD
Perhaps you could point us to one or two of those billions of studies that specifically deal with lakes that did not originally have a population of bass. It seems to me that if forage is truly an issue that there would be far better and more economical choices to stock than bass but I could be wrong.

I know I've read loads of information on the dangers of smallmouth bass specifically entering waters where trout exist. It seems smallmouth are quite comfortable in cooler waters where trout exist. Not sure why this would be different in Alberta.

Last edited by sheephunter; 09-14-2011 at 10:53 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #299  
Old 09-14-2011, 12:06 PM
DarkAisling's Avatar
DarkAisling DarkAisling is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary, AB
Posts: 4,970
Default

__________________
Shelley

God promised men that good and obedient wives would be found in all corners of the world. Then he made the earth round . . . and laughed.
Reply With Quote
  #300  
Old 09-14-2011, 12:09 PM
bb356 bb356 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Rycroft
Posts: 21,548
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by avb3 View Post
So this is what this whole thread has degraded to... a piece of bass:

GAS GRASS or BASS .................. Nobody rides for Free !!!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:14 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.