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Old 12-14-2013, 01:06 AM
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Im shooting a 300win mag tikka t3 lite. currently I'm using 180gr nosler accubonds running 2720fps, but i want to go hotter and possibly a lighter bullet. Any Suggestions?? I wanna put a heavy barrel on with a muzzle break along with a different composite stalk. my main questions are what is the best aftermarket barrel out there, and what twist rate is the sweet spot for long shots. And my main applications will be long range target shooting and long range hunting.
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Old 12-14-2013, 08:16 AM
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FYI ...long range go with a bigger bullet,the bigger the better,not smaller . if your rifle likes it.it may seem better at shorter ranges (and it is ,but the smaller bullets lose out at the end/long distance)

get a ted gallard barrell or bob jury barrell.........about 400 bucks for it then +++ for install at a smith or so.

stock...lol......

1 in 10 is the usual twist im pretty sure for 300s..... maybe a 1 in 9/9.5 could be bought /ordered/ideal.

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Old 12-14-2013, 08:24 AM
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Your velocity seems quite slow for a .300 Win. Mag. Previous poster is correct. To retain your ''long range'' capability 190, 200 and 210 grain bullets. I have a pal who is using the 210 Berger with Retumbo powder. Might keep an eye out for the Nosler LONG RANGE Accubonds that apparently are trickling into the country and at various dealers(not mine)
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Old 12-14-2013, 09:58 AM
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What bullet weight would you recommend for a 338 Win Mag for long range shooting. I have been getting pretty good results with 210 gr. but have not really tried anything heavier.
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Old 12-14-2013, 10:02 AM
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What bullet weight would you recommend for a 338 Win Mag for long range shooting. I have been getting pretty good results with 210 gr. but have not really tried anything heavier.
What's your twist rate?
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Old 12-14-2013, 10:41 AM
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What bullet weight would you recommend for a 338 Win Mag for long range shooting. I have been getting pretty good results with 210 gr. but have not really tried anything heavier.
In my 300 WM I use 210 pushed fast as I can without blowing up and in the .338 I use 285's HPBT's for accuracy and sometimes 300gr sceners when I can find them for my Lapua.
Retumbo works and H-1000 is good too for 1000M use and more.
My rule of thumb is heavier for longer is better too.
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Old 12-14-2013, 10:48 AM
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Im shooting a 300win mag tikka t3 lite. currently I'm using 180gr nosler accubonds running 2720fps, but i want to go hotter and possibly a lighter bullet. Any Suggestions?? I wanna put a heavy barrel on with a muzzle break along with a different composite stalk. my main questions are what is the best aftermarket barrel out there, and what twist rate is the sweet spot for long shots. And my main applications will be long range target shooting and long range hunting.
Ron Smith,
Best guy in the area will make and install barrels of any kind and you supply the cash.
Had a gain twist barrel in 6.5 made for my 6.5-06, not cheap but he does great work out at Wimborne area.
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Old 12-14-2013, 11:07 AM
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Ron Smith,
Best guy in the area will make and install barrels of any kind and you supply the cash.
Had a gain twist barrel in 6.5 made for my 6.5-06, not cheap but he does great work out at Wimborne area.
Have you heard of a guy by the name Bob Galloway he's a local gunsmith here close to leslieville I guess?
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Old 12-14-2013, 02:42 PM
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Yup Bob is a local gunsmith and his business is Custom Gunworx, he's east off the Beaverflats roads. He does great work and uses Jury barrels from Bob Jury in Red Deer.
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Old 12-14-2013, 02:50 PM
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Yes, I've heard Bob is topnotch and so are the Bob Jury barrels!
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Old 12-14-2013, 02:59 PM
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Yes, I've heard Bob is topnotch and so are the Bob Jury barrels!
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Old 12-14-2013, 05:53 PM
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If it were me , I would try to define what my longest ranges would be that i could shoot accurately then go from there.
To some , when they talk about long range, they are speaking of shots that are at the 400 yard mark.
For others it is past that.
IMO a 1800 grain bullet of proper construction is quite fine out of a 300 mag at 500 yards, as long as the shooter is capable - THAT is the biggest variable in the whole danged equation.

Soooo, how far?
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Old 12-14-2013, 06:39 PM
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If it were me , I would try to define what my longest ranges would be that i could shoot accurately then go from there.
To some , when they talk about long range, they are speaking of shots that are at the 400 yard mark.
For others it is past that.
IMO a 1800 grain bullet of proper construction is quite fine out of a 300 mag at 500 yards, as long as the shooter is capable - THAT is the biggest variable in the whole danged equation.

Soooo, how far?
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my goal is to be shooting consistently good around the 1000 yard mark. but want to the gun to be easily able to push farther accurately if need be.
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Old 12-14-2013, 06:49 PM
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300 win mag, 1000 yards, = 190gr berger VLD.
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my goal is to be shooting consistently good around the 1000 yard mark. but want to the gun to be easily able to push farther accurately if need be.
Then long, heavy bullets are the key, for sure!
When I was shooting those distances with a 300WSM, I used 210 Alberta Wildcats in a 30" McPhee barrel and a 1:10 twist.
Worked fine right out to the mile.
The World 1 mile record was held for some time by a 7WSM IIRC, with a Shilen barrelled Savage.
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Old 12-15-2013, 12:42 AM
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and bigger bullet im guessing is mainly just for less wind drift??
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Old 12-15-2013, 12:50 AM
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and bigger bullet im guessing is mainly just for less wind drift??
And higher BC. And retained velocity.

Throw a wiffle ball as hard as you can at the garage wall. Then grab a baseball and throw it as hard as you can. Not pure science but you get the idea.
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Old 12-15-2013, 04:44 AM
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Yes, I've heard Bob is topnotch and so are the Bob Jury barrels!
yep x3 . hes on here too ,probably reading this ,so gotta get some browny points in for my next build....haha

got my 308 and 338 edge customedgunworxed

one has a ted gallaird barrel(308) and other a jury barell(338)

4 " groups at 1000 yards -308 ,175 gr smk

.6/.7 " groups at 300 yards -338 (finally got h-load for the thing,317 rounds later,ouch ,expensive, but thats the game),next spring gonna get her humming out to a mile ,allready have b4 but with a hasty handload/different bullet/huge target. it doesnt like sierra or berger 300 grain bullets but loves hornady 285s ,wierd , .7 g1 bc,so it will really retain its energy for 1760 yards..........and beyond.
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Old 12-15-2013, 10:21 AM
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yep x3 . hes on here too ,probably reading this ,so gotta get some browny points in for my next build....haha

got my 308 and 338 edge customedgunworxed

one has a ted gallaird barrel(308) and other a jury barell(338)

4 " groups at 1000 yards -308 ,175 gr smk

.6/.7 " groups at 300 yards -338 (finally got h-load for the thing,317 rounds later,ouch ,expensive, but thats the game),next spring gonna get her humming out to a mile ,allready have b4 but with a hasty handload/different bullet/huge target. it doesnt like sierra or berger 300 grain bullets but loves hornady 285s ,wierd , .7 g1 bc,so it will really retain its energy for 1760 yards..........and beyond.
those are some good results! what kind of scope do you use?? and ive heard to get something done by hims guite a wait but from what i hear worth it.
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Old 12-15-2013, 10:43 AM
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What's your twist rate?
I have a Sako 85 SS in 338 and the twist is 10 according to Sako's data chart.
What would you recommend? For the most part a 500 yard shot is my max. when hunting, but am curious if I would be better off using something heavier than the 210 TTSX Barnes, which is what I have been getting good results with. I might consider further shots if I new from an ethical point of view I could hit what I'm shooting at where I need to hit it.
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Old 12-15-2013, 11:30 AM
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those are some good results! what kind of scope do you use?? and ive heard to get something done by hims guite a wait but from what i hear worth it.
nows the time...during the winter.

my 308 wears a bushnell elite 6500 2.5-16 x 42mm, reticle is a bit on the thickish side for long range.....but a 3 shot group that measures 3.975 " at 1040 yards, guess it does the trick. has 59 moa adjustment up zeroed at 200.on a 20 moa rail

my 338 edge wears a nighforce BR 8-32x56 mm ,npr 2 reticle i think...the one with less lines and are 2 moa line to line vertical @ 22 power.

it has finer reticle ,but only 50 moa internal, its mounted on a 30 moa rail so i need to zero for 400 yards come this spring now that ive settled on its load.
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Old 12-15-2013, 11:35 AM
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I have a Sako 85 SS in 338 and the twist is 10 according to Sako's data chart.
What would you recommend? For the most part a 500 yard shot is my max. when hunting, but am curious if I would be better off using something heavier than the 210 TTSX Barnes, which is what I have been getting good results with. I might consider further shots if I new from an ethical point of view I could hit what I'm shooting at where I need to hit it.
I've watched as Oldbadger put three into 1MOA at 1,000 yards PRONE with his wrist resting on a log using an unbraked 338 lapua TRGS .
his bullets at the time were 225 grain hunting bullets IIRC.
I have done quite a bit of loading in the past for a fella that used the 180 XLC
Barnes and he has killed moose WAY out there witu this rig.
it is braked however
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I have a Sako 85 SS in 338 and the twist is 10 according to Sako's data chart.
What would you recommend? For the most part a 500 yard shot is my max. when hunting, but am curious if I would be better off using something heavier than the 210 TTSX Barnes, which is what I have been getting good results with. I might consider further shots if I new from an ethical point of view I could hit what I'm shooting at where I need to hit it.
1in 10 will allow you to shoot VLDish 225's and regular boat tail spritzer 250's without too much difficulty. 250 VLD's may be a tad long for the 1 in 10, short of shooting and seeing for ones self, that's the only way to know for sure.
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Old 12-15-2013, 12:44 PM
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Have you heard of a guy by the name Bob Galloway he's a local gunsmith here close to leslieville I guess?
Have heard the name and not talked to him but I will. Thanks for the update on Bob, I have his card. and may need to brake my .338 as it is a bit light shooting the heavy loads.
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Old 12-15-2013, 01:48 PM
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Bob has a great design for big brakes for the Edge. My edge was the first one in the Rocky area and seemed to have started a bit of a fanatical following. Very pleasant to shoot with the brake on it. I'm shooting 300 Gr Berger OTM's. So far the longest distance I've shot is 1853 yards, and I have a Sightron SII Bigsky 6-24X scope on it.
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Old 12-15-2013, 01:58 PM
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Have heard the name and not talked to him but I will. Thanks for the update on Bob, I have his card. and may need to brake my .338 as it is a bit light shooting the heavy loads.
Thanks guys.
This is a "Bob Squared" rifle....Bob Galloway smithed and Bob Jury barrelled

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=154171

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Old 12-15-2013, 02:20 PM
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This is a "Bob Squared" rifle....Bob Galloway smithed and Bob Jury barrelled

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=154171

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great looking action, is that a 'left pull' there. lol
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Old 12-15-2013, 02:22 PM
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great looking action, is that a 'left pull' there. lol
Indeed it is and I seem to manage to pull my shots left too!

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