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Old 10-31-2019, 07:28 AM
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This is from the globe and mail. Shows results of the election in a couple formats. Scroll down to the map, zoom in and click on a riding. Will tell you who ran for what party and how many votes each candidate got. The results for western Canada are very eye opening. Conservatives got twice the votes as the next highest candidate in most cases. Many times they got 4 or 5 times and in some places 10 times the next candidate. Also of note, many times, the NDP came in second.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...n2019/results/
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Old 10-31-2019, 03:10 PM
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This is from the globe and mail. Shows results of the election in a couple formats. Scroll down to the map, zoom in and click on a riding. Will tell you who ran for what party and how many votes each candidate got. The results for western Canada are very eye opening. Conservatives got twice the votes as the next highest candidate in most cases. Many times they got 4 or 5 times and in some places 10 times the next candidate. Also of note, many times, the NDP came in second.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...n2019/results/
The huge win margins for Conservatives in western Canada is the main reason the Conservatives can say they won the popular vote.
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Old 10-31-2019, 04:14 PM
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I see in the Yukon, the Libs won by a very small margin. Had the people who voted for PPC used their votes for the CPC it would have gone blue. I wonder how many other ridings had this split vote allowing a Lib win ?
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Old 10-31-2019, 04:48 PM
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I see in the Yukon, the Libs won by a very small margin. Had the people who voted for PPC used their votes for the CPC it would have gone blue. I wonder how many other ridings had this split vote allowing a Lib win ?
Eric Nielsen, former Yukon MP was deputy Prime Minister under Mulroney. Tough place to campaign and a Liberal was the incumbent.

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Old 10-31-2019, 07:27 PM
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Eric Nielsen, former Yukon MP was deputy Prime Minister under Mulroney. Tough place to campaign and a Liberal was the incumbent.

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Maybe so, but if you add the PPC + CPC votes, they add up to more that the Libs got.

The Lib and the CCP both had 33 % of the vote, the 3% PPC would have changed the final result to CPC.
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Old 10-31-2019, 07:59 PM
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I'd like to know how much Bernier got paid to split the vote. Couldn't even win his seat. Run that many canadates across Canada in a very short time. Where did the funds come from.
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Old 10-31-2019, 08:06 PM
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I see in the Yukon, the Libs won by a very small margin. Had the people who voted for PPC used their votes for the CPC it would have gone blue. I wonder how many other ridings had this split vote allowing a Lib win ?
I just went through all of the riding results in Canada to see how the PPC splitting the vote effected the election.

The PPC helped defeat the CPC in 7 ridings.
Six ridings went to the Libs and 1 riding went to the NDP.

THESE RIDINGS WOULD HAVE BEEN WON BY THE CPC WITHOUT THE PPC SPLITTING THE VOTE:

NS Cumberland - Colchester
NB Mirimichi - Grand Lake
ON Windsor - Techumseh (went NDP)
ON Kitchener - Conestoga
BC South Okanagan - West Kootenay
BC Coquitlam - Port Coquitlam
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I voted ppc but would not have voted conservative if there was no ppc option. The conservatives are conservatives in name and name only.
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Old 10-31-2019, 09:23 PM
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I voted ppc but would not have voted conservative if there was no ppc option. The conservatives are conservatives in name and name only.
Exactly right. Iíll not vote for a liberal party with the moniker of conservative. I will only vote for a party that is center or right of center. Tired of only having socialist parties to vote for. It is the people that vote for a name alone that split the conservative vote.
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I'd like to know how much Bernier got paid to split the vote. Couldn't even win his seat. Run that many canadates across Canada in a very short time. Where did the funds come from.
His followers funded him through memberships and donations. He set the bar very, very low for his candidates and as long as they had the money to pay him to be a candidate they were good to go. This resulted in some really weird goings on. The Sackville NS candidate tweeted about Islam being evil, etc and his entire Winnipeg party board resigned sighting rampant racism. All that he was able to attract were low information voters by convincing them that he was the only Conservative party running. It was a total gong show......lol.
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His followers funded him through memberships and donations. He set the bar very, very low for his candidates and as long as they had the money to pay him to be a candidate they were good to go. This resulted in some really weird goings on. The Sackville NS candidate tweeted about Islam being evil, etc and his entire Winnipeg party board resigned sighting rampant racism. All that he was able to attract were low information voters by convincing them that he was the only Conservative party running. It was a total gong show......lol.
He was the only Conservative party running. Can you point out one conservative policy that the ďconservativesĒ were running on?
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Old 10-31-2019, 10:24 PM
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He was the only Conservative party running. Can you point out one conservative policy that the ďconservativesĒ were running on?
Nope. When someone says that the CPC is a socialist party thatís all that I need to know about where that personís head is.
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Nope. When someone says that the CPC is a socialist party thatís all that I need to know about where that personís head is.
Please enlighten me Dave. Iíd love to hear how wrong I am. List one conservative value please. Just one. I even asked my MLA while was at my door to do the same. He couldnít. If he canít, and you canít, how is that so?

Then you say that you know where my head is at. Please enlighten me; where is my head at? Answer these questions. You want to try to trivialize what I say. Instead of trying to cast me aside, prove me wrong.

You are the person Ralph Klein warned us about. The ever-moving conservative to the left. No idea of what conservatism is. Dad told you to vote for the 12-letter C word and youíve blindly done it since.

How conservative was Stelmach?
How conservative was Redford?
How conservative was Prentice?
Let me answer that for you. They were exactly 3 atoms to the right of Notley. Yet you voted for those testaments of conservatism and blamed people like me for ďsplitting the voteĒ.

As I said, I never split the conservative vote; those voting for the red big L conservatives split the vote.

Things look very clear where my head is at. Please make an intelligent rebuttal. Or is your head not in a place to look at the issues at hand? I mean what would dad think if he knew you thought about politics instead of crossing of the 12 letter C word like youíve done since your 18th birthday without a second thought?
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Old 11-01-2019, 12:40 AM
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Iím a Conservative supporter. What could a socialist like me ever influence your opinion with?

PS. The fella that came to your door that you were talking to......he was campaigning to become your MP, not MLA. MP is Federal and MLA is Provincial. Youíre welcome.
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Iím a Conservative supporter. What could a socialist like me ever influence your opinion with?

PS. The fella that came to your door that you were talking to......he was campaigning to become your MP, not MLA. MP is Federal and MLA is Provincial. Youíre welcome.
You are correct; he was my member of parliament. A slip of the tongue. Also, if we want to get technical, he was campaigning to continue being my MP; as he was an incumbent.

Yet in my post you only addressed my ďtypoĒ.

Iím a centrist. I see a need for a balanced approach. I see the value in social programs. Iím not against social ideals. Please, just one conservative value. This is after all the Conservative party. Was Scheerís budget fiscally conservative? It was very similar to the budget Trudeau released (then blew out of the water, but that is irrelevant) 4 years ago. Does that make Trudeau a conservative? I just canít see conservative values in the CPCís platform. Please, show me anything conservative. In my perspective if the party contains no conservative values; yet socialist and liberal values abound I have to think they are what their ideals portray. I can list many if youíd like? I could also list conservative ideals that Maxime was wanting to pursue if you want them too? I however can not find a conservative value among the conservative-in-name-only party. I could list a few policies of the CPC that are a centrist viewpoint too if you want those as well?

Thatís how I look at the standing of a party. What in your opinion is a conservative?

Itís tough having my head in all of this logic. Really very confusing.
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His followers funded him through memberships and donations. He set the bar very, very low for his candidates and as long as they had the money to pay him to be a candidate they were good to go. This resulted in some really weird goings on. The Sackville NS candidate tweeted about Islam being evil, etc and his entire Winnipeg party board resigned sighting rampant racism. All that he was able to attract were low information voters by convincing them that he was the only Conservative party running. It was a total gong show......lol.
Iíd actually like to come back to this quote that started our exchanges here. I mentioned that Maxime was the only conservative candidate. I agree with most of your post however. But Iíll still stand by my statement of Maxime being the only conservative. I will also challenge one other statement you made. You state that he only attracted low-info voters.

Myself and a colleague voted PPC. I would be willing to wager that we are much more informed about politics than 90% of Canadians. So how does that make us low-info? We are the only 2 I personally know that voted PPC, so I canít speak for the others. I can however introduce you to droves of low-info voters that voted CPC cause daddy told them to way back on their 18th birthday.

Iíll give you the crap candidates, and a pretty poorly run campaign but the fact he managed to do what he did was fairly impressive otherwise.
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I voted ppc but would not have voted conservative if there was no ppc option. The conservatives are conservatives in name and name only.
Well, enjoy Trudeau, and say good bye to your semi autos. A vote for the PPC was a vote for the Liberals.
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Yes I voted for the only true conservative candidate in a riding where cpc won with 90% of the vote and it's my fault Trudeau got reelected.
If there were more people with my mindset this country would've never ended up in this mess in the first place. You and everyone who didn't vote ppc voted for a globalist, so thanks for that.
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Yes I voted for the only true conservative candidate in a riding where cpc won with 90% of the vote and it's my
fault Trudeau got reelected.
If there were more people with my mindset this country would've never ended up in this mess in the first place. ...
^^ This 1000X !
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I will not vote for a lesser devil(CPC) or be found to be playing such games.
I am not in the least dissatisfied with my PPC vote.
Scheer/Trudeau/CPC/Lib = Dead end parties

I will be voting for PPC next round also.
PPC = Common sense.. and this 2019 election revealed just where our common sense resides.
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You PPC supporters are just wannabe Conservatives. Max created another socialist party thatís the same as all the others. REAL Conservatives voted for the National Citizens Alliance because they are the only REAL Conservative party.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nati...izens_Alliance
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You PPC supporters are just wannabe Conservatives. ..
Almost correct..i just want'a'being that's most Conservative in appearance.
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Hummmmm. I didn't post this to create a big debate regarding what is or is not a conservative. The intent was more to point out the difference in the vote between eastern and western Canada and then Qeeebec. The entire country seems to be fractured, divided, split, whatever you want to call it. I'm not even sure it can be fixed. I'm quite sure the tur# is not the man for the job, but I doubt Scheer is either. Jagmeet, not likely. Dizzy may, blanchet, bernier?
Where do we go from here? Assuming we can even figure out where here is.
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You PPC supporters are just wannabe Conservatives. Max created another socialist party thatís the same as all the others. REAL Conservatives voted for the National Citizens Alliance because they are the only REAL Conservative party.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nati...izens_Alliance
They actually contain some conservative values. Itís true. They did not have candidates in every riding however. Thus they are not a national party. They werenít in my riding. I wouldnít vote for them anyways as I said I am a centrist.

Dave, why have you avoided every question Iíve asked of you? Do you not have a debatable reply, or canít you admit I could possibly be right?
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Pretty clear who the wanna be conservatives are to me.
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I voted ppc but would not have voted conservative if there was no ppc option. The conservatives are conservatives in name and name only.
You voted for Justin Trudeau. Pointe Finale. You cast a vote for a party that had zero chance of forming government and whose own leader lost his seat to a Conservative. Berniers views, while valid in many cases, are entirely out of step with mainstream Canada. If one wants to be elected PM you must appeal to all voting demographics and not have a whiff of bigotry, intolerance or racism about you. Bernier, a Frenchman, lost his seat in Quebec- by far the most intolerant province in all of Canada- because his views were even too extreme for Quebecers and thats saying something as the no religious symbols bill in Quebec is extremely popular. It's been reported that many NDP voters voted strategically by voting liberal IOT keep the Tory's from power because they knew that the NDP can never and will never form government and they voted liberal as a means to ensure Scheer did not get to 24 Sussex- PPC supporters should take a page from their book. The PPC hopefully is dead but PPC votes in some ridings cost the Conservative candidate the seat because the ridings were incredibly close and had those PPC supporters voted strategically as well with the common view that Trudeau had to go some of those ridings would have went Conservative instead of Liberal.
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You voted for Justin Trudeau. Pointe Finale. You cast a vote for a party that had zero chance of forming government and whose own leader lost his seat to a Conservative. Berniers views, while valid in many cases, are entirely out of step with mainstream Canada. If one wants to be elected PM you must appeal to all voting demographics and not have a whiff of bigotry, intolerance or racism about you. Bernier, a Frenchman, lost his seat in Quebec- by far the most intolerant province in all of Canada- because his views were even too extreme for Quebecers and thats saying something as the no religious symbols bill in Quebec is extremely popular. It's been reported that many NDP voters voted strategically by voting liberal IOT keep the Tory's from power because they knew that the NDP can never and will never form government and they voted liberal as a means to ensure Scheer did not get to 24 Sussex- PPC supporters should take a page from their book. The PPC hopefully is dead but PPC votes in some ridings cost the Conservative candidate the seat because the ridings were incredibly close and had those PPC supporters voted strategically as well with the common view that Trudeau had to go some of those ridings would have went Conservative instead of Liberal.
By your own logic, most voters will vote for the liberals or left of them. So we should join them. I mean we have to appeal to the majority right. Ralph Klein warned us of the political right in Canada continually moving left. Some of us have had enough. I vote for my beliefs. I will no longer vote strategically for the lesser of evils. If you want to move closer to center to appeal and attract liberals to your party; you must accept that you are also alienating people with conservative beliefs. We didnít split the vote; you abandoned us. Now move far enough left to take away votes from Trudeau and you are a party of liberals. Itís that simple. Carry on, keep voting for a name, I will vote on ideology.
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Mistake one was Scheer over Bernier in the leadership race.
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Mistake one was Scheer over Bernier in the leadership race.
Maybe, but only one of them won their seat back. That says a lot.
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Scheer is great if you hate balanced budgets, and a robust economy.
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Maybe, but only one of them won their seat back. That says a lot.
What that says, is most people never look at the policies and vote by brand recognition alone. Would Bernier have been re-elected had he stayed under the ďconservativeĒ banner? Of course he would have. Which proves my point.
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