Who Thinks the US Might Collapse?

[rugatika]

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/018823.html

Just to illustrate where the US is right now in familial terms...I don't know how far away Canada is from this but it would be fun to see a similar comparison.

[Rugerlover]

Originally Posted by swforge

Just remember the old saying..." so goes the United states, so goes the world". We'll work out our problems as soon as we get every country that sucks on our hind tit off it. Not for nothing but you guys rely on us also so you just might want to be careful what you wish for.

Who was wishing? me?

[Digger1]

Last time I checked, the world was here long before the US. And I like the US, worked there for years, and have relatives there.

[infidel]

Originally Posted by Classic_Cool

I don't know a whole lot about Obama really but I tend to give him the benefit of a doubt. America was pretty much boned when he took office. There's only so much an ordinary man can do about it now.

By all accounts the captain of the Titanic was a well respected seaman. Guess what he's remembered for?

Thats certainly true to an extent. The US was well and truly boned when he took office, but after his one term, The US racked up so much debt I dont think it's repayable. period. Also, despite being a democrat, his policies listed on his web page pretty much echoed GWB's, if I recall correctly. I dont care what party controls the gov't. Its akin to the cons vs liberals here. They're all politicians, you can tell they're lieing when their mouths move. It just depends on how much you agree with the individual politician's view on the issues, and what their track record was. How much did they lie before they got into office. Ron Paul's the only guy who has a shot of at least stabilising the US, but I dont think even he can fix the problem.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by infidel

Thats certainly true to an extent. The US was well and truly boned when he took office, but after his one term, The US racked up so much debt I dont think it's repayable. period. Also, despite being a democrat, his policies listed on his web page pretty much echoed GWB's, if I recall correctly. I dont care what party controls the gov't. Its akin to the cons vs liberals here. They're all politicians, you can tell they're lieing when their mouths move. It just depends on how much you agree with the individual politician's view on the issues, and what their track record was. How much did they lie before they got into office. Ron Paul's the only guy who has a shot of at least stabilising the US, but I dont think even he can fix the problem.

New member, first post. No, don't even think it.... LOL

Welcome "Infidel"!

[nekred]

Who says it already has not!

[infidel]

LOL, thanks Okotokian! I love seeing the chatter created by my nickname! If anyone gets offended by it, well, its still a mostly free country.

[thunderheart]

wow wild thread lotsa disagreement .. and one angry american ,,,,

shake your heads people ... there is NOTHNG that we can do about any of it ... we a mear pawns in the game ....
this does nothing lol .. cept make me snicker

sw remember we see it from our side of the boarder we are not amerikins we be good old canucks.. all this bikerin dont make for good neighborz but good fences do and them folks from south'n us done that allriddy dubba bubba dun that uh huh

i love this site .. thanks mods ... this thread would have been locked pages ago by the ahhh moderators at the bc site ,, thank you for your tolerance .. but enough lol
smile good people .. no use fighting come on group hugs

[ofelas]

Originally Posted by thunderheart

wow wild thread lotsa disagreement .. and one angry american ,,,,

Well, what's wrong with being passionate about one's country, it's strengths & innate ability to bounce back & excel? I understand loving Canada, but when it overlaps with the lefty pastime of knocking the US...that's an issue with the lack of national identity for a few.

[infidel]

Nothing wrong at all about being passionate about one's country and displaying optimism for the future. We all need a little more of that here. Too much doom and gloom just gets depressing. Some Canadians just love knocking the U.S partly because the American culture often gets forced down our throats due to the heavy influence of American media programming here, and some just like to feel a little ultranationalism. Fair enough, no country, or leader's perfect. Can't we all just get along, sing a little kumbayah and pass the marshmellows?

[thunderheart]

OFELAS....see the good friend .. see the good .. nothing wrong with loving our or your country ... but we are not americans we are canadians and this thread started innocent enough, i know or more than a few americans that have asked the same question.... but like i said and i quote

Originally Posted by thunderheart

smile good people .. no use fighting come on group hugs

just curious what does the QC stand for?

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by thunderheart

OFELAS....see the good friend .. see the good .. nothing wrong with loving our or your country ... but we are not americans we are canadians and this thread started innocent enough, i know or more than a few americans that have asked the same question.... but like i said and i quote




just curious what does the QC stand for?

A little known province right here in Canada.

[colin455]

There are refineries in Edmonton.

Originally Posted by hornhead

here's another thought...

we canadians keep saying ... we have the oil, yatayatayata

but how many refineries do we have in canada?

zero, nada...?

so what if the US decides not to refine our crude and send it back?

like our american friend said ... we are riding on their coat tails.

if they stumble, we fall... welcome to the global economy.

[thunderheart]

Originally Posted by rugatika

A little known province right here in Canada.

lol i thought so .. lol thanks

[ofelas]

Originally Posted by thunderheart

lol i thought so .. lol thanks

LOL yeah TX expects every man to do his duty, I educate one local believer at a time...what was the adage I heard...y'alls Conservatives are liberals...your Liberals are socialists...your NDP are commies...and all your media are lefties :-D

[Sundancefisher]

I liked that Ron Paul guy... He just seemed the most trustworthy of the bunch at the debate yesterday.

[megtyler]

US won't collapse.

if the need be, they'd lead on someone else until they are strong again. they'd step on anything and anyone to survive.

that's just how they are.

[Grizzlyman1980]

America has done this to themselves and us,I Find them to be nothing moe then War Mongrels,Sticking there nose in every other country's Business,I Get sick of there Arrogant atttiude,There **** dont stin' i work at lodges and deal with a lot of Arrogant Americans,Bitching about our Country,I Feel like telling to get the F..K Out and go back to there Own Goddamn country if they dont like it.I am a Believer in the Free World but the American Goverment is fiull of ****,They went to Iraq for Oil and they cant keep there nose out of anybodys business,Reminds me of Most Women,GO CANADA GO!!

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by ofelas

LOL yeah TX expects every man to do his duty, I educate one local believer at a time...what was the adage I heard...y'alls Conservatives are liberals...your Liberals are socialists...your NDP are commies...and all your media are lefties :-D

Thanks. Now back to the Buy and Sell section for "Y'All".

[Grizzlyman1980]

Originally Posted by ofelas

Well, what's wrong with being passionate about one's country, it's strengths & innate ability to bounce back & excel? I understand loving Canada, but when it overlaps with the lefty pastime of knocking the US...that's an issue with the lack of national identity for a few.

Lol,I Dont know whats worse, Somebody from Texas Spouting off or Somebody from Quebec?Ignorance Glorified to a T!!!

[hornhead]

i really don't think the world can afford to let the US fail.

that being said i can't fathom how they will pay off the debt or get it to a reasonable level ... it will take decades in my mind.

but a lot of people underestimate the americans.

[chasingtail]

Originally Posted by Grizzlyman1980

They went to Iraq for Oil and they cant keep there nose out of anybodys business,Reminds me of Most Women,GO CANADA GO!!

So far they havn't gotten any oil and very few oil contracts, China got them, Thanks Obama. They damn well better get some oil every last drop of it or it was a waste of money and lives, I hope the war wasn't to actually help the people of Iraq, what a waste.

[eastcoast]

Originally Posted by chasingtail

So far they havn't gotten any oil and very few oil contracts, China got them, Thanks Obama. They damn well better get some oil every last drop of it or it was a waste of money and lives, I hope the war wasn't to actually help the people of Iraq, what a waste.

did obama start the iraq war?

[swforge]

Originally Posted by Grizzlyman1980

America has done this to themselves and us,I Find them to be nothing moe then War Mongrels,Sticking there nose in every other country's Business,I Get sick of there Arrogant atttiude,There **** dont stin' i work at lodges and deal with a lot of Arrogant Americans,Bitching about our Country,I Feel like telling to get the F..K Out and go back to there Own Goddamn country if they dont like it.I am a Believer in the Free World but the American Goverment is fiull of ****,They went to Iraq for Oil and they cant keep there nose out of anybodys business,Reminds me of Most Women,GO CANADA GO!!

First of all idget, we didnt get any oil. Second, you work at lodges ? You a waiter or busboy ? And third you ignorant sob, you feel like telling Americans to get the F out of your country ? What keeps you from doing so.... dont have the balls of a flea ? Or is it your love of their money ? Im guessing if your from Ontario its the first.

[chasingtail]

Originally Posted by eastcoast

did obama start the iraq war?

No Bush and Israel started the war, but I have to believe Bush would of got some oil. Obama's a weak leader that bows to the Chinese. Doesn't make sense China, France, Russia got the big contracts and the USA was shut out. Thousands of Americans dead or injured and nothing to show for it except debt.

[Bushrat]

The war got nothing to do with oil. America pays the same price for oil to Iraq as it does to Norway, Mexico, Venezuala, or any other oil producing nation including Canada that they buy from. OPEC sets the barrel head price of oil and thats that. If the US wanted to start a war to steal oil then Canada would be the easiest most logical target for them, were right next door, they could smash our army and defences in a heart beat and it wouldn't cost them 5% of the cost of the Iraq war. America buys Iraq's oil and other middle east oil because those countries love selling it and love the money they get for it even more, it's as simple as that.

It annoys the crap out of me when I hear the idiotic nonsense ignorant people spew about America invading countries for oil. If the US wanted oil they would have spent the money they spent on the Iraq Afghanistan war and instead invested it into Gulf of mexico, midwest Shale oil deposits, north slope Alaska oil, etc, and get billions more barrels of oil far cheaper and with much less hassle than starting a war to steal oil. Some of you people are so clueless, it's hard to believe..........

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by Grizzlyman1980

America has done this to themselves and us,I Find them to be nothing moe then War Mongrels,Sticking there nose in every other country's Business,I Get sick of there Arrogant atttiude,There **** dont stin' i work at lodges and deal with a lot of Arrogant Americans,Bitching about our Country,I Feel like telling to get the F..K Out and go back to there Own Goddamn country if they dont like it.I am a Believer in the Free World but the American Goverment is fiull of ****,They went to Iraq for Oil and they cant keep there nose out of anybodys business,Reminds me of Most Women,GO CANADA GO!! AND THANK THE LORD FOR ALBERTAN OIL MONEY AND THE AMERICANS FOR KEEPING US SAFE, SO we wouldn't have to spend our own money on defence.

That's pretty rich coming from someone in Ontario. AND, someone who's living directly depends on living off the money given to him by AMERICANS. lol...priceless.

http://www.thestar.com/article/95968...falling-behind

I made a small change to your quote to make it a little more truthful. (You're welcome by the way)

I wonder, if the Americans fail, just how happy you'll be when the full weight of the consequences hit you and your family.

[ofelas]

That Star article on ON's debt was a good read, as was your green lettered correction to the above quote.

[gilbertslake]

All I can say is that I hope they elect someone with sensible name for pres. I don't think I would want a Newt or a Mitt or even a Sanitorium (or whatever he is called). How does one go through life being called after a glove or a reptile?
Huntsman sounds an ok name though. Glad there are no Bubba's in the race. can you imagine it on CNN 'President Bubba addresses the nation'

[ak-71]

"The war got nothing to do with oil"

I agree, I think some people simply overestimate Bush's strategic thinking abilities, I think everything is way simpler.
If you are Bush and have nothing to show for "war on terror" you talked so much about after 9/11 - your chances for reelection are very slim, you don’t have anything else either... BUT WAIT! There is this proven bad guy in the middle east, everybody hates him, isolated army with no spare parts or new weapons for years now... Makes for good "mission accomplished" pictures for reelection. Has nothing to do with 9/11 or Bin Laden, doesn't really have any WOMD or means to deliver them, but who cares about details or geography in the US?

Anybody thinks Bush would be a reelected if not for Iraq???

I was in America at that time and tried to tell my American friends that when people start tellig you about “mushroom clouds”, “rape chambers” and other emotionally charged but nonspecific things instead of facts, dates and locations – you are being had in some way, even if you don’t realize it yet. Most of them agree now.