Man arrested for skating

[flyguyd]

Originally Posted by mooseknuckle

Agree for the.most part, but explain the completely avoidable part. What should they have done.

For one , remained calm and professional. The kid pushed back and they got triggered because how dare he, we're the police who does he think he is If those ladies had nothing but themselves to rely on and Ocean had been a badass , they could have been in real trouble.

For 2 use common sense , this isnt a murder its a young adult playing hockey. Portraying themselves like a couple of premenstral physchos certainly complicated things

[elk eater]

Originally Posted by amosfella

Perhaps one should read up in the manual about resisting unlawful arrest, what is an officer able to arrest you for, and forcing one to produce identification if you're not under arrest. Also should look up what can happen to an officer if they force you to identify yourself when the conditions are not met.

https://www.amazon.ca/Salhanys-Polic...8426777&sr=8-1

I think that's relevant in this situation.

No education needed here. Young man had no reason not to give the officer his name. He was just being disrespectful. They didn’t ask for his name to arrest him they likely wanted to issue a fine. Which under the current bylaw, he was breaking. No one else was belligerent with the officers and all they got was a warning.

[heretohunt]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

I am open to discussion that has relevance….if you actually compare our country to Nazi Germany well you have lost all credibility.

How is it that I have lost credibility? Are you just trying to cancel me?
Perhaps Germany is not an example that you like. There are countless other instances where government has taken away rights of the people starting with small things including gun control. Mao, Stalin, Pol pot. Do you think that those instances, never to be repeated again? How about Hugo Chavez. That feels pretty current. A little more to your liking. A bit more moderate. Why do you desire to be told what to do and think by your government?

I think our Government is constantly overstepping their bounds. They are taking away our freedom under the guise of safety.
For us to accept them making our decisions for us as if we can’t possibly decide for ourselves is just too much. To me they should only suggest measures and procedures.
They do it with smoking and it has far greater consequences.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

In my experience, you actually aren't open to discussion that contradicts you.

I don't think anybody compared Canada to 'Nazi Germany'. I think the point being made was that Nazi Germany didn't start with concentrations camps and Jews being massacred. It started with ordinary people who were only too happy to go along with whatever rules and laws their leaders came up with, and were happy to support the police (Gestapo) who enforced those laws. It was a matter of social conditioning. It was for the good of the Fatherland.

2 years ago, you would have been the first to decry the very concept of churches and businesses being shut down and people being arrested and fined for gathering, speaking, going about their life. Especially in such a hypocritical manner as has been done.

Now, you are all for it. Granted, you have always backed anything anybody with a badge does, with no questions asked. That is social conditioning.

your perspective...two years ago you would have, could have, should have....your getting conditioned too...another version of social conditioning just seen through a different set of eyes...mirrors tell no lie's....look deep and hard.

[huntinstuff]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

Have they convinced you to surrender your firearms for public safety yet?

Me either.

Lol

They will never get them

Create civil disobedience to justify more laws and less freedoms and little by little you will gain absolute power by turning people against each other

Any politician who creates a "rat" line should be eliminated

Trudeau needs to go.

[Badgerbadger]

The hypocrisy of some on this thread is amusing.

[heretohunt]

Well put twisted Canuck.

I don't think anybody compared Canada to 'Nazi Germany'. I think the point being made was that Nazi Germany didn't start with concentrations camps and Jews being massacred. It started with ordinary people who were only too happy to go along with whatever rules and laws their leaders came up with, and were happy to support the police (Gestapo) who enforced those laws. It was a matter of social conditioning. It was for the good of the Fatherland.

[amosfella]

Originally Posted by elk eater

No education needed here. Young man had no reason not to give the officer his name. He was just being disrespectful. They didn’t ask for his name to arrest him they likely wanted to issue a fine. Which under the current bylaw, he was breaking. No one else was belligerent with the officers and all they got was a warning.

Apparently, you do need education.

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

your perspective...two years ago you would have, could have, should have....your getting conditioned too...another version of social conditioning just seen through a different set of eyes...mirrors tell no lie's....look deep and hard.

Good answer. Hard to refute that bit of logic.

Well, Merry Christmas. If you see your neighbors having too many family over, you know what to do.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by heretohunt

How is it that I have lost credibility? Are you just trying to cancel me?
Perhaps Germany is not an example that you like. There are countless other instances where government has taken away rights of the people starting with small things including gun control. Mao, Stalin, Pol pot. Do you think that those instances, never to be repeated again? How about Hugo Chavez. That feels pretty current. A little more to your liking. A bit more moderate. Why do you desire to be told what to do and think by your government?

I think our Government is constantly overstepping their bounds. They are taking away our freedom under the guise of safety.
For us to accept them making our decisions for us as if we can’t possibly decide for ourselves is just too much. To me they should only suggest measures and procedures.
They do it with smoking and it has far greater consequences.

This country has not seen anything like as a nation, impacting all since WWII and after that the generations have grown accustomed to immediate gratification for the most part but now are faced with restrictions and that just rubs them the wrong way...so and thankfully only a small part of the population are self centred and the rest carry on, dig in and will get through this.

[Talking moose]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

Well, Merry Christmas. If you see your neighbors having too many family over, you know what to do.

Zing!!!!!

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

Good answer. Hard to refute that bit of logic.

Well, Merry Christmas. If you see your neighbors having too many family over, you know what to do.

stand on their front lawn and toast them a drink....I don't count too well...Merry Christmas to you and yours, take care and be safe.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

Zing!!!!!

top shelf zinger...glove save...I don't play for the oilers...

[heretohunt]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

This country has not seen anything like as a nation, impacting all since WWII and after that the generations have grown accustomed to immediate gratification for the most part but now are faced with restrictions and that just rubs them the wrong way...so and thankfully only a small part of the population are self centred and the rest carry on, dig in and will get through this.

Well I can agree with you that life has definitely gotten easier. Largly
Due to hard work sweat and blood of past generations the government has been steadily taking away rights and controlling us more and more. We don’t seem to care because life is good.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by buckbrush

So you want them to shut down the non essential isles but you still want to play with yer friends? Then you mention hypocrisy in your next post. GOLDEN!

Swing and a miss. Try again

[CritterCommander]

http://svan.ca/police-rights/

Arresting anyone for playing some pond hockey in Canada, anywhere, should result in an automatic suspension without pay and a full on assessment with a local shrink. Jesus wept.

IMO these cops were way off base with this. When thieving meth heads are given the revolving door time and time again, blockades of critical infrastructure such as rail lines, etc are given the blind eye, how much respect do LEO think they should have in this society? It's a race to the bottom. Boom.

[RandyBoBandy]

Originally Posted by CritterCommander

http://svan.ca/police-rights/

Arresting anyone for playing some pond hockey in Canada, anywhere, should result in an automatic suspension without pay and a full on assessment with a local shrink. Jesus wept.

IMO these cops were way off base with this. When thieving meth heads are given the revolving door time and time again, blockades of critical infrastructure such as rail lines, etc are given the blind eye, how much respect do LEO think they should have in this society? It's a race to the bottom. Boom.

Has nothing to do with the Police...it all has to do the Judicial process

[cody j]

Originally Posted by CritterCommander

http://svan.ca/police-rights/

Arresting anyone for playing some pond hockey in Canada, anywhere, should result in an automatic suspension without pay and a full on assessment with a local shrink. Jesus wept.

IMO these cops were way off base with this. When thieving meth heads are given the revolving door time and time again, blockades of critical infrastructure such as rail lines, etc are given the blind eye, how much respect do LEO think they should have in this society? It's a race to the bottom. Boom.

Yes

[Twisted Canuck]

Jesus wept indeed!

And who is John Galt? You get a gold star by your name for both of those from me.

[Bushleague]

I feel an appropriate response to this would be to organize another game. When 40 roughnecks in full gear refuse to get off the ice, masked and holding hockey sticks, and give the cops the option of getting back in their cars and telling their bosses that the general public has had enough, it would be interesting to see what happens.


Personally I find the most disturbing thing about the whole current situation, is that everyone is so happy to enthusiastically ENFORCE these rules, to a degree that they know for a fact is unreasonable. The government has always enjoyed making BS rules, but our current trend of previously reasonable people that are happy to enforce this BS to the enth' degree with little regard for common sense is truly a whole new low for humanity. For shame.

[sask]

Originally Posted by Savage Bacon

He was not complying simple as that. Just because you're stronger than a woman cop and wearing the proper foot gear for the environment doesn't mean you can resist and make them look like fools.

If she asks you to leave, leave.
If she asks you to get on the ground, get on the ground.

She should have tased him.

The guy recording the situation was saying this will be all over the news, well the video might just seal his friend's fate.

Exactly. When she tells you to get into the cattle car, get in. Not rocket science

[roper1]

The apologists who think the cops were just doing their job are so much the problem. Stupid laws have always been and still are in place.

Back when the cops were respected, they knew which areas of the law needed more attention, and could certainly easily handle a situation with a bunch of clean-cut sober kids playing pond hockey.

No booze, drugs, cars, weapons, and the cops still fell apart. And people blindly support them. OMG

[Twisted Canuck]

Agree Bushleague. But really, history teaches us we shouldn't be surprised.

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by sask

Exactly. When she tells you to get into the cattle car, get in. Not rocket science

*boom* Mic drop.

[elk eater]

Originally Posted by amosfella

Apparently, you do need education.

Agree to disagree then.

[sask]

Originally Posted by Albertadiver

Summary:

- People broke the 40 person max guidelines.

- Bylaw guy filled out a hurt feelings report because nobody would listen

- CPS was assigned a call so they responded and attempted to enforce the current law

- young man broke the law by not complying with a lawful order

- CPS conduct showed a full lack of professionalism and could have been de-escalated as opposed to made worse.

- young man should have complied and now he'll face the consequences

- Everyone involved could have handled the situation far better

Question: Why was the law enforced on a hockey rink in the open air with a relatively small number of people around and NOT enforced with flagrant anti-maskers filling up downtown, or on the C-train, or in shopping malls, etc. Honest question?

Good summary

Also good question. Or at Kenney’s recent indoor meeting?

[Talking moose]

That pond.....was.... a death sentence ......for all!
Thankfully.......the.......police saved everyone’s........ lives.

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by sask

Exactly. When she tells you to get into the cattle car, get in. Not rocket science

[Bergerboy]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

That pond.....was.... a death sentence ......for all!
Thankfully.......the.......police saved everyone’s........ lives.

Yes....thankfully this never......happens on......Cold Lake......

[calgarygringo]

But it is ok to have a thousand people have an anti mask rally and no arrests and police escort to boot. They wonder why people don't comply to these rules. They police had this coming even though the kid was a dork.