WR Leadership Follow Through

[Rocky7]

[QUOTE=nof60;1412400]

Originally Posted by Rocky7

Agreed. I see you hypothetical point, but not the reality of it.

How is his point hypothetical?

I thought it was obvious. Maybe not.

Can you please refer me to an instance in Canada where a Dr. has refused to prescribe birth control pills due to his or her religious beliefs?

Let's start there, shall we.

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by Rocky7

Ultimately, that's how people of principle will vote - with their feet.

When Rome was stormed by the barbarian hordes, it was not because the hordes were stronger; it was because years of higher and higher taxes to pay for the Mob (Roman "social programs") and years of a slow spiral into mediocrity had driven out all the men of conviction and principle who have defended her. In the end, nobody was left that was worth anything and they were easily overrun. There's a lesson in that.

I know one specialist and one G.P. who have told me privately, in no uncertain terms, that they will leave this Province if they are forced to perform unnecessary abortions. They tell me there are many others. Are they lying?

Progressives have no idea how many doctors refuse to do abortion-on-demand right now. Want to find out?

holy crap Rocky get over the vote man your stuck with it for 4 years you will give yourself a coronary. With any luck they will get rid of redford and things will be right again......

[Rocky7]

Originally Posted by 260 Rem

If you want them to continue to be a minority opposition, continue to espouse the ultra right wing views for all to see.

Which WR policies were "ultra right wing", exactly? I'll make it easier for you; here they are:

http://www.wildrose.ca/policy/policy-green-book/

For that matter, what policies have you read on this thread that are "ultra right wing"?

You have a right to your opinion and to express it...

I feel we're making progress.

[HunterDave]

Here ya go guys..........Conscience Vote in Ottawa! Enjoy!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/...s.html?cmp=rss

[Rocky7]

Originally Posted by horsetrader

holy crap Rocky get over the vote man your stuck with it for 4 years you will give yourself a coronary.

I'm not finding this stressful, actually.

I am well aware that my rejection of labels, totems and taboos is uncomfortable to some. Oh, well.

[riden]

I am still on conscience rights, sorry everybody.

But I was just thinking, people I talk to, always assume conscience rights apply to christian values. Rocky brought up gay marriage and abortion. But that is a little narrow.

Can't speak to the rest of you, but most of our doctors have been South African. My present doctor is a Libyan muslim, (I assume Muslim from his wife's clothes). Our previous doctor of a year, was likely Libyan too. Never asked him, but his wife dresses just like our present doctor, and he had the same accent.

I think this had real potential to turn into a Pandora's box on WRP. I am I the only one who sees the irony?

[riden]

[QUOTE=Rocky7;1412500]

Originally Posted by nof60

I thought it was obvious. Maybe not.

Can you please refer me to an instance in Canada where a Dr. has refused to prescribe birth control pills due to his or her religious beliefs?

Let's start there, shall we.

But no gov't has given them the right to deny.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by Rocky7

Which WR policies were "ultra right wing", exactly? I'll make it easier for you; here they are:

http://www.wildrose.ca/policy/policy-green-book/

For that matter, what policies have you read on this thread that are "ultra right wing"?
.

All of them, if one is what you would call a PC-Liberal new-world-order statist. LOL It's all personal perspective Rock. What Horsetrader would call moderate you would call wildly left wing. What you think is a perfectly sensible moderate position others here see as right wing. Everyone ALWAYS thinks their position is in the middle, reasonable, and is simply common sense. But Election results put everyone's claim that they represent the majority into perspective.

Given that the WR is the most right wing of the parties and you wholeheartedly support them, you must be by definition, right wing, at least in the Alberta context. You probably wouldn't be far right wing in Texas. But we are talking Alberta.

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by Rocky7

I'm not finding this stressful, actually.

I am well aware that my rejection of labels, totems and taboos is uncomfortable to some. Oh, well.

After your 2 day sabbatical I was worried for your health. But continue if you wish.......lol

[Yéil]

Originally Posted by horsetrader

Don't know what presb. church you went to but we were taught not to degrade a man because of race, creed, live style or religion

The Presbyterian Church is still having issues with gays.... your Sunday school lessons are not what drives the General Assembly or even the Synods. Go read the history on the church.

I would say that the only person who thinks like you is you.

[bb356]

Thank's Rocky 7 ............ these politcal thread's are boring without you !!!

[Yéil]

[QUOTE=Rocky7;1412500]

Originally Posted by nof60

I thought it was obvious. Maybe not.

Can you please refer me to an instance in Canada where a Dr. has refused to prescribe birth control pills due to his or her religious beliefs?

Let's start there, shall we.

Not quite a doctor but our federal government pulled funding for international health clinics run by Planned Parenthood because it didn't meet the standard set by the G8 meeting in Muskoka. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/...d-funding.html

So, when the public says they don't want to fund contraceptives or abortion, the government jumps. When a doctor says no, he/she is forced by the health authority or faces sanctions.

[nof60]

[QUOTE=Rocky7;1412500]

Originally Posted by nof60

I thought it was obvious. Maybe not.

Can you please refer me to an instance in Canada where a Dr. has refused to prescribe birth control pills due to his or her religious beliefs?

Let's start there, shall we.

Dr Dawson

[260 Rem]

If I recall correctly, when asked, about 60% of Canadians said they did not believe in God ( I think the poll claimed accuracy within 3% 19/20 ) Political parties that invoke "conscience rights" based on religious belief will never gain sufficient traction to form government...period.

[covey ridge]

Originally Posted by riden

I am still on conscience rights, sorry everybody.

But I was just thinking, people I talk to, always assume conscience rights apply to christian values. Rocky brought up gay marriage and abortion. But that is a little narrow.

Can't speak to the rest of you, but most of our doctors have been South African. My present doctor is a Libyan muslim, (I assume Muslim from his wife's clothes). Our previous doctor of a year, was likely Libyan too. Never asked him, but his wife dresses just like our present doctor, and he had the same accent.

I think this had real potential to turn into a Pandora's box on WRP. I am I the only one who sees the irony?

I must have missed something? Why exactly would your south african libian muslim doctor have anything to do with a pandora's box for wrp?

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by Yéil

The Presbyterian Church is still having issues with gays.... your Sunday school lessons are not what drives the General Assembly or even the Synods. Go read the history on the church.

I would say that the only person who thinks like you is you.

So you are another one that knows more about my up-bringing then I do. just so that you know how little you do know I never went to sunday school. so I would suggest you stick with tell people about your life not mine .....GEEEEZE

[covey ridge]

[QUOTE=sheephunter;1412264]No contradiction in my statements...sorry

How do you gauge the wishes of the people on every issue?

By democratic vote of the mla's

Will people that support your party agree on every issue?

Just most issues or the ones that are important

. We vote for parties that will lead the province in a general direction that we agree with but at the end of the day, they aren't going to do everything that you or all agree with.

We vote for the mla or the party to represent us and vote for our needs and have our concerns represented in a democratic vote. We can not all have our way, but we can all have a say if we are actually represented. We vote for a party that has a platform that will fit our needs. If my party does not get elected and it is probably because they fell short somewhere. I have no problem with my party doing a little soul searching and adopting a platform that would interest more Albertans. If their new platform is n ot to my liking, maybe I will not support them again. I for one has no use for a party that throws their platform and promises out once voted in and promotes their will and not the people's will.

Off on another tangent! I wonder how much of a breach of trust the PC government would have to be involved in for the people of Alberta not to elect them?

[Yéil]

Originally Posted by horsetrader

So you are another one that knows more about my up-bringing then I do. just so that you know how little you do know I never went to sunday school. so I would suggest you stick with tell people about your life not mine .....GEEEEZE

What I do know is that you know nothing of how the church you claim to belong to actually works or premises their doctrine upon. From there, I can extrapolate that your other assertions and contentions can't be much more accurate.

Originally Posted by covey ridge

contradiction in my statements...sorry


By democratic vote of the mla's


Just most issues or the ones that are important



We vote for the mla or the party to represent us and vote for our needs and have our concerns represented in a democratic vote. We can not all have our way, but we can all have a say if we are actually represented. We vote for a party that has a platform that will fit our needs. If my party does not get elected and it is probably because they fell short somewhere. I have no problem with my party doing a little soul searching and adopting a platform that would interest more Albertans. If their new platform is n ot to my liking, maybe I will not support them again. I for one has no use for a party that throws their platform and promises out once voted in and promotes their will and not the people's will.

Off on another tangent! I wonder how much of a breach of trust the PC government would have to be involved in for the people of Alberta not to elect them?

Sounds like we pretty much agree. The whole democratic or free vote of mla's is a nice thought and would work for some issues perhaps but there would be no way to judge the thoughts of the electorate on all issues and at the end of the day, the government needs to get things done and this only happens with mla support.

[Rocky7]

[QUOTE=nof60;1412559]

Originally Posted by Rocky7

Dr Dawson

Cite, please.

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by Yéil

What I do know is that you know nothing of how the church you claim to belong to actually works or premises their doctrine upon. From there, I can extrapolate that your other assertions and contentions can't be much more accurate.

You are the most ignorant person I have met.You think because you have read something you know it all. Try putting down the books and go out in the real world you will find you don't know half what you think you do. By saying I claim to belong to are you calling me a lier and would you care to back it up.

[Rocky7]

Originally Posted by horsetrader

You are the most ignorant person I have met.You think because you have read something you know it all. Try putting down the books and go out in the real world you will find you don't know half what you think you do. By saying I claim to belong to are you calling me a lier and would you care to back it up.

He already has. Not the liar part, but the "back it up" part.

Maybe you, too, should try some reading instead of trying to put this thread in the ditch because your incorrect statements are being dissected?

[Rocky7]

Originally Posted by covey ridge

If my party does not get elected and it is probably because they fell short somewhere. I have no problem with my party doing a little soul searching and adopting a platform that would interest more Albertans. If their new platform is n ot to my liking, maybe I will not support them again. I for one has no use for a party that throws their platform and promises out once voted in and promotes their will and not the people's will.

Normally, I would agree with that first sentence, but not this time. This time Alberta voted out of fear that was (effectively) whipped up by the PC's and their useful allies on the Left.

The second part I completely agree with. Parties that blow with the wind and leaders who try to lead from the back of the room are called liberals by most people. I call them pond scum.

[Rocky7]

Originally Posted by dantonsen

I see we're allready back to the you're a socialist national energy program supporter who ....

Glad you mentioned that.

I have started a thread on that issue because I am genuinely interested in what it means. I'd like to know what's coming.

Please post an explanation there and I will be a keen reader. Really.

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by Rocky7

He already has. Not the liar part, but the "back it up" part.

Maybe you, too, should try some reading instead of trying to put this thread in the ditch because your incorrect statements are being dissected?

So you also think you know how every church in canada is run .......LOLOLOL you guy are unbelievable. ok smart boy tell me how and where I was raised. impress me.....And you won't find it in you WR hand book.

[dantonsen]

Originally Posted by Rocky7

Normally, I would agree with that first sentence, but not this time. This time Alberta voted out of fear that was (effectively) whipped up by the PC's and their useful allies on the Left.

The second part I completely agree with. Parties that blow with the wind and leaders who try to lead from the back of the room are called liberals by most people. I call them pond scum.

hahaha, I guess you haven't checked out the latest article about Dani re-shifting views and trying to find a common ground with the NDP and Liberals?

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by dantonsen

hahaha, I guess you haven't checked out the latest article about Dani re-shifting views and trying to find a common ground with the NDP and Liberals?

Rocky only see what he want to see he's like a horse with blinders .lololol

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by Rocky7

He already has. Not the liar part, but the "back it up" part.

Maybe you, too, should try some reading instead of trying to put this thread in the ditch because your incorrect statements are being dissected?

Well come on Rocky show me where I made incorrect statements about how I was raised

[Rocky7]

Originally Posted by dantonsen

hahaha, I guess you haven't checked out the latest article about Dani re-shifting views and trying to find a common ground with the NDP and Liberals?

It wasn't quite that simple, she said the next AGM would have to take some policies under advisement.

You have not correctly repeated what she said. Nothing unusual there, I suppose.

And yes, it does concern me. I expect the WR brain trust/campaign managers are looking for an excuse for what happened. The choices are:

1. A lacklustre, tepid and ineffective reaction to claims of racism and incorrect religious beliefs;

OR

2. Some bad policies in the WR handbook that no campaign strategy or management could overcome.

My bet is that they will be attracted to #2.

("Hahaha"?....wassup with that?)

[covey ridge]

Originally Posted by sheephunter

Sounds like we pretty much agree. The whole democratic or free vote of mla's is a nice thought and would work for some issues perhaps but there would be no way to judge the thoughts of the electorate on all issues and at the end of the day, the government needs to get things done and this only happens with mla support.

There is an easy way to judge the thoughts of the electorate and that is to be out and among the electorate from time to time and to be available to listen to their concerns from time to time. I have been to enough candidate forums to note that most of the candidates promise this. Seems they are sitting on their hemeroids or taking a vacation because they are tired of sitting on their hemeroids.