Road allowances between private land.

[j m]

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[j m]

He was busy harvesting other land and had a supposedly responsible person watching it. The hunter had pleaded to have sole access to that spot and did promise to report elk damage in return.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by j m

If I was in a situation like that I would walk to the door & ring the bell to retrieve it. I you denied I would tell my child "See, I told you what could happen. We've walked past here every day this week and every day you banged your ball against that person's fence. They've asked you nicely not to do it but you wouldn't because you know your rights & it's public property right to the fence. You didn't care they were trying to get their baby to sleep. They told you that if the ball comes over the fence you can't come get it because they've freshly seeded their lawn. Now that you've lost your ball we might as well turn around and go home; you can tell me what you learned today on the way."
The difference is that my child wouldn't have a ball magically appear in their hand after they threw the first one over the fence, I wouldn't tear down your fence to get the ball & my kid doesn't throw a 165 grain ball that goes 2800 fps.

Ahhhhhhhh ha ha ha! The people who get offended by someone's ball going in their yard are the same type of people who would get offended by a deer dropping on their land. Poor excuses.

[decker]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

X2!

This is exactly what it boils down to. I live in the city but I own a quarter section of land so I know how it feels on both sides of the fence. The only land owners that want to restrict road allowance access are those who don't want people hunting "their" deer! Plain and simple. I wish it was possible to turn the tables and kick these "I own all the animals around here" farmers off city streets. Greed is what it is. I'm a land owner, guide, and still let people hunt on my land. Ask permission, don't drive on the hey field, I'll get it for you, or drag it off is the rule. If someone asks permission and gets denied, if it's not greed what is it? I know there are acceptions ie: live stock or buildings, but if they ask permission and you know who's there, what else would be the reason for denying access?

Thats the difference right there, you live in the city and have land in the country.
Rural people live in the country. Our animals are in the fields, our kids have to walk to and from the bus and that time is usually prime hunting time.
I live down a dead end road and there is no hunting on both sides of the fence for two miles yet there are alot of tracks that come to my drive way and turnaround. It doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by decker

Thats the difference right there, you live in the city and have land in the country.
Rural people live in the country. Our animals are in the fields, our kids have to walk to and from the bus and that time is usually prime hunting time.
I live down a dead end road and there is no hunting on both sides of the fence for two miles yet there are alot of tracks that come to my drive way and turnaround. It doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling.

You have to read my earlier posts. I'm not bashing people for keeping hunters off for good reasons ie: livestock or buildings. This is the case in point that got me a bit upset:

First off, a local farmer blocked off a 1mile long road allowance that led to a cutline on crown land. That's fine, there are other ways around. Then posted his leased land saying he bought it out and denied hunting access there. This year he took it to a new level by knocking down trees, a lot of them, accross a cutline to prevent access to the cutline that runs behind his land (the other way around). This is the type of person I wish I could keep out of the city. It's not because of people damaging his property, it's simply because he wants the game around there for himself. I know this for fact, I've been hunting the same area for over 20yrs and know him.

[decker]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

You have to read my earlier posts. I'm not bashing people for keeping hunters off for good reasons ie: livestock or buildings. This is the case in point that got me a bit upset:

First off, a local farmer blocked off a 1mile long road allowance that led to a cutline on crown land. That's fine, there are other ways around. Then posted his leased land saying he bought it out and denied hunting access there. This year he took it to a new level by knocking down trees, a lot of them, accross a cutline to prevent access to the cutline that runs behind his land (the other way around). This is the type of person I wish I could keep out of the city. It's not because of people damaging his property, it's simply because he wants the game around there for himself. I know this for fact, I've been hunting the same area for over 20yrs and know him.

Ya thats not right.

[igorot]

Here is a fairy tale to at least calm the situation This is what happen when you are out of work for a month. You start day dreaming


Scenario 1

Robin Hood from Calgaree went out to the country to hunt. He was very respectful, ask permission and did all the legal thing in order for him to gain access. He happens to ask a landowner who was so mean. He scolded, berated, and almost spit on poor Robin face. Since Robin is kind gentleman, he just went back to the city where he belong.

For some reason somebody from the landowner family got sick and needs a specialist. As much as he hates to go to the city, he has no option as the only facility is in the city. There is more, the only specialist that handle that disease is Robin Hood. Who happens to be a very good doctor. Robin Hood being gentleman, despite all how he was treated by the landowner performs the procedure.

Scenario 2


Robin no Good from Calgaree with his black dodge dually went to hunt in the country. Being a pin head he went driving on the landowners land without permission, cutting fences and wrecking havoc on cattles. He then finally shot a deer, but during his retrieval he injured himself and remain unconscious. No souls on this this neck of the woods for miles and his chances for survival is if somebody finds him.

Comes the kind hearted landowner and discover Robin no Good and all the damage he has done on his land. Despite his anger , all the money to be spent and manpower to fix the damages he helps Robin no Good and bring him to the nearest hospital where he eventually lives

[coreya3212]

So we know that the ball is owned by the kid who dropped it on someone else's property. Who owns the deer that is shot on public land but crosses on to private land...personally, I would let the kid retrieve his ball, cause its his and he has a right to it. The hunter who shoots a deer, that isn't his, and can't retrieve it to tag it and make it his doesn't have much right to that deer does he?

[greywolf]

Originally Posted by coreya3212

So we know that the ball is owned by the kid who dropped it on someone else's property. Who owns the deer that is shot on public land but crosses on to private land...personally, I would let the kid retrieve his ball, cause its his and he has a right to it. The hunter who shoots a deer, that isn't his, and can't retrieve it to tag it and make it his doesn't have much right to that deer does he?

Just because it dies on private property does not make it the landowners deer either does it???

Like I said earlier, if you have an issue with a problem landowner, it just takes one phone call and your help is on the way.

[elkhunter11]

Like I said earlier, if you have an issue with a problem landowner, it just takes one phone call and your help is on the way.

As has been previously posted,F&W are usually busy that time of year, and they aren't usually thrilled to drop all of their other duties to intervene in a hunter landowner dispute. They may not show for hours, if at all.And they will only consider helping you, if the physical evidence indicates that the animal was shot where you had legal access. If the blood or hair don't exist until the private property, they may actually end up laying charges against you for shooting the animal on land that you did not have legal access to. As well, even if the first shot hit the animal when it was on land that you had legal access to, there had better not be any evidence indicating that follow up shots struck the animal when it was on the private land.

[winged1]

nor do they provide baby sitting or diaper service.

[Kurt505]

This thread makes me want to start hunting road allowances. It's my land to hunt, so I might as well take advantage of it. Looks like I got a couple honey holes for next year.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

This thread makes me want to start hunting road allowances. It's my land to hunt, so I might as well take advantage of it. Looks like I got a couple honey holes for next year.

Heck why wait till next year....still some eastern zones that are open!... think you can road hunt and hit a bunch of allowances in a day....

LC

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

Heck why wait till next year....still some eastern zones that are open!... think you can road hunt and hit a bunch of allowances in a day....

LC

I've got my freezers full, besides, there's a certain road allowance I've been eyeing up for a couple years that I know hold a couple bruisers.

[Dark]

Kurt505 are you a guide in WMU 505, perhaps worked with a guy named Bud

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by Dark

Kurt505 are you a guide in WMU 505, perhaps worked with a guy named Bud

Lol, was a guide (just gave it up last year), and I know Bud. I got him a job at the company I used to work for about 6yrs ago. I still see the bushy fir hat around, but haven't spoke with him in a few years. You must hunt the valley and know of said farmer I speak of?

[greywolf]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

As has been previously posted,F&W are usually busy that time of year, and they aren't usually thrilled to drop all of their other duties to intervene in a hunter landowner dispute. They may not show for hours, if at all.And they will only consider helping you, if the physical evidence indicates that the animal was shot where you had legal access. If the blood or hair don't exist until the private property, they may actually end up laying charges against you for shooting the animal on land that you did not have legal access to. As well, even if the first shot hit the animal when it was on land that you had legal access to, there had better not be any evidence indicating that follow up shots struck the animal when it was on the private land.

We are all entitiled to our opinions; a lot of what if's in your example.

Based on my personal experience, other peoples experiences, and conversations with F&W over the years on this topic, I have to disagree with your opinions on F&W's response on this matter. Thats not to say F&W may do things differently in your neck of the woods I guess.

[elkhunter11]

Based on my personal experience, other peoples experiences, and conversations with F&W over the years on this topic, I have to disagree with your opinions on F&W's response on this matter. Thats not to say F&W may do things differently in your neck of the woods I guess.

My opinons are based on past experiences of people that I know, and from dealing with F&W myself. I have called the RAP hotline myself, as have others, and the response time was measured in hours not minutes, if they decided to show at all. A longtime officer(now retired) and personal friend of my fathers, told us that himself, and the officers that he knew hated dealing with cases such as landowner/hunter disputes, as well as issues dealing with natives tresspassing or poaching, so they made a habit of dealing with any other outstanding calls or investigations first.

[winged1]

you can bet that during the hunting season, there are way more calls alleging infractions than there are hunters looking to recover game, and those take precedence. One of the most productive tactics is to block an arterial road from known hunting grounds. Officers aren't stupid. They're keen to the call which attempts to temporarily remove them from thier post, so someone can sneak through. I've reported infractions to officers at such a post, and thier response was, 'we'll catch them when they come through'. Yes, there are officers that attend localized hot spots and may be available for a visit, but assuming such as justification to shoot, isn't responsible. I also suspect that their first activity upon such a call would be to call the owner and mediate over the phone, unless they smell an infraction.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

Lol, was a guide (just gave it up last year), and I know Bud. I got him a job at the company I used to work for about 6yrs ago. I still see the bushy fir hat around, but haven't spoke with him in a few years. You must hunt the valley and know of said farmer I speak of?

You have talked with my brothers they are the sprinkler fitters that took Bud out there for his first time.
We don't hunt much out there anymore, not since Tim's became a parking lot.

I think you are referring to the guy that has his set up right on the river banks at the dead end road. I found a dandy wolf killed buck on the river right below his trailers a few years back.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by Dark

You have talked with my brothers they are the sprinkler fitters that took Bud out there for his first time.
We don't hunt much out there anymore, not since Tim's became a parking lot.

I think you are referring to the guy that has his set up right on the river banks at the dead end road. I found a dandy wolf killed buck on the river right below his trailers a few years back.

Ya, I haven't seen your brothers out there for a couple years. I gave Tim's son my Darton wrangler compound bow because he wanted to get into hunting, now Tim's, and the whole south side of the road for a 4 mile stretch is shut down for hunting. The road allowance is blocked off, the cutline on the south end of the fields is blocked by a couple dozen trees, and trying to get permission on the lease is impossible. I've created a greedy monster by introducing him into hunting. I took two bucks that grossed over 170 from there. No good deed goes un-noticed they say.

[fargineyesore]

Originally Posted by honda450

Hehe...good one.

Hahaha, that's got to be one of the funniest things I've seen for awhile.