Just came home from Trump's Tampa rally

[canadiantdi]

Originally Posted by raab

The best part about this board is they don't realize they push people away from the conservative parties. This board and Stephen Harper made me a socialist and I voted nothing beside conservative up until the federal election last fall.

People on this board made you a socialist? good grief! lol

[ak-71]

Originally Posted by SubMOA

Some pretty heated debate here, I tend to side with the Trump supports tho, all the "he'll mess it up" talk is kinda funny considering how messed up it is from the existing status quo. But just for a little elucidation:

Socialism: "(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism."

Capitalism: "an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state."

You choose which you think would be better...

Also,

Race Card: "exploit the specified issue or idea mentioned, especially for political advantage. "he resisted the temptation to play the race card""

to those of you who do use it, please stop calling someone who is concerned about their own country or voices an opinion a "racist, bigot, homophobe,... etc..."

That is just classical communist social technology, to nullify by using the "race card" see above definition...

Actually it's a very strange and convoluted way to put it, just as well you could say that:

a) Capitalism (usually) is a transitional social state between feudalism and socialism.

b) Capitalism is the name for the capitalist mode of production in which the means of production are owned privately by a small class (the bourgeoisie) who profits off the labor of the working class.

Too bad that socialism just simply doesn't work, it's a feel good and kind "idea" (not reality/implementation), just never worked anywhere. Like some fairy tails, unicorns or switching everything to wind/solar power, good to talk about, but just doesn't exist/work.

PS. It's cut and paste of the internet inline with what I remember hearing as a child just about everywhere in USSR

[SubMOA]

Originally Posted by ak-71

Actually it's a very strange and convoluted way to put it, just as well you could say that:

a) Capitalism (usually) is a transitional social state between feudalism and socialism.

b) Capitalism is the name for the capitalist mode of production in which the means of production are owned privately by a small class (the bourgeoisie) who profits off the labor of the working class.

Too bad that socialism just simply doesn't work, it's a feel good and kind "idea" (not reality/implementation), just never worked anywhere. Like some fairy tails, unicorns or switching everything to wind/solar power, good to talk about, but just doesn't exist/work.

PS. It's cut and paste of the internet inline with what I remember hearing as a child just about everywhere in USSR

Agreed on socialism not working - history has proven that repeatedly. As Winston Churchill said, "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."

That said - I'll take capitalism over any other method or mode in the world today, limited workability it may have, but at least it has some! The western world was premised on the basic ideas inherent in capitalism and other than our current predicament, there is more freedom here than anywhere else on the globe.

[ak-71]

Originally Posted by SubMOA

Agreed on socialism not working - history has proven that repeatedly. As Winston Churchill said, "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."

That said - I'll take capitalism over any other method or mode in the world today, limited workability it may have, but at least it has some! The western world was premised on the basic ideas inherent in capitalism and other than our current predicament, there is more freedom here than anywhere else on the globe.

I just wanted to point out that there are many ways to say something, and if you listened to USSR propaganda capitalism would sound as terrible, as socialism if you listened to "capitalist" propaganda. The fact though is that USSR model didn't work as advertised, and eventually lost the competition.
So when I listen to what candidates in the US advertise I wonder how it will actually work (if they even try to follow through)? On the other hand what they say may not even matter, after all Nobel piece prize winner can bomb countries right and left, Clinton's II "reset" button with Russia ended in a new cold war, so maybe the whole thing is irrelevant.

[SubMOA]

Originally Posted by ak-71

I just wanted to point out that there are many ways to say something, and if you listened to USSR propaganda capitalism would sound as terrible, as socialism if you listened to "capitalist" propaganda. The fact though is that USSR model didn't work as advertised, and eventually lost the competition.
So when I listen to what candidates in the US advertise I wonder how it will actually work (if they even try to follow through)? On the other hand what they say may not even matter, after all Nobel piece prize winner can bomb countries right and left, Clinton's II "reset" button with Russia ended in a new cold war, so maybe the whole thing is irrelevant.

Agreed on the propaganda side - data can be spun to fit any intent with a bit of work. An inherent problem with "-isms" is the polarization they bring about - personally I find that given freedom mankind has a tendency to move upward towards greater heights of civilization - history has shown this - and that is what is great about north america - the assumed idea of freedom for the individual. So I am for anything that moves in that direction. As for politicians - whether they follow through or not is pretty much a won't follow through - so I'd have an inclination to go for the only one in the bunch who is not a career politician.

[happy5]

Originally Posted by avb3

Except for one thing. He is the only candidate left who actually ran a government. One who actually made real decisions. One who had to deal with both sides of the legislature. One who had unexpected emergencies crop up, and had to address those.

So Trump running a massive business has never had to make real decisions? He's never had to deal with negotiating between different groups of people? Never had unexpected emergencies to deal with?

The role of POTUS can't be too hard if the community organizer in chief can do it.

Originally Posted by avb3

Successful presidents (regardless of their political convictions), know how to deal with legislatures. The only two failed presidents in recent memory who did not and could not where Carter and Obama. Who knows who Carter couldn't as he was a governor, but Obama sure as heck never ran anything before being elected. Clinton on the other hand could even work with Gingrich, and Dubya often had a Democratic House or Senate he needed to work with, and did.

You're arguing against yourself with that first point. Maybe Kasich would be no better than Carter, for all his governing experience.

The reason Hillary could get along with the establishment Republicans is that the two parties are not much different. It's a facade. Both are owned and paid for, by the same people in many cases. Both are implementing the globalist agenda of giving away America's wealth and sovereignty.

Originally Posted by avb3

Being a golf course and real estate developer hardly qualifies Trump to know how to get legislation through. Kasich knows how to do that on the Republican side, and Hillary on that other side.

There is much more to a good POTUS and a good leader than being able to pass legislation. What if they pass bad, or the wrong, legislation?

Originally Posted by avb3

There is no indication that 3-5 of the SCOTUS judges will retire in that time frame. American conservatism will be dead only if it gets unrealistic, which is the cohort that Trump is appealing to. Ronald Reagan could not get elected with this bunch today.

Three of the current Justices are at or near age 80. It's not unreasonable to think that they may not last much longer.

Why don't you think Reagan could get elected today? He was a nationalist, just like Trump.

Originally Posted by avb3

We will just have to disagree on this one. If Trump gets the nomination, I personally know many live long Republicans who will either stay home, or hold their nose and vote Hillary. These are conservative people, proud Americans, some of them retired LEO and military. These are not RINOs in any manner, but people who are patriots concerned about their country. They see their party being destroyed right now with the cancer that Trump promotes. I would feel the same if I could vote down here.

They sound like idiots, but to each their own. Maybe they're just butthurt right now and they'll calm down before the general election.

Originally Posted by avb3

I've been coming down here for the past 4 years. When I bought my place, they were still in the throes of the Great Recession, foreclosures galore, and many frustrated people with no employment.

Now?

The place is booming. Real estate values have recovered very nicely, thank you very much. Employment is up to the point where some places are starting to offer incentives to get employees to stay, or recruit friends/family. It's tough to get a nice apartment rental, especially in the better areas of St. Petersburg or Tampa.

You may not believe numbers, but the reality is that the methods of collecting them are no different now as opposed to during the recession. Best private numbers come from ADP. http://www.adpemploymentreport.com/

Don't even try and tell us ADP is skewing their results. Not one index is anything but a large increase. Fact, not fiction or conspiracy. And not the government.

I looked at ADP. Unless I missed the details, it looks very superficial. I prefer the BLS data. According to the BLS, in February ~242K jobs were added. Most of them were crap jobs:


Some great job growth you've got there!

Here's home ownership by age according to US census data (1994-2015):


The only age group that isn't in decline is 65+.

I can't speak to your specific location or who you associate with, but the facts are that the US has had a lousy, fake "recovery". They pumped tons of stimulus creating even bigger bubbles than back in 2007, and people are worse off on average, not better.

Originally Posted by avb3

Yes, the same trinkets sold under the Trump brand which is imported from Mexico, China, Bangladesh and Vietnam.

Thanks for proving my point. Trump is well aware how how America is being looted in exchange for trinkets as he's been doing it for a long time.

Originally Posted by avb3

Tell Germany how horrible it is to be an exporting nation. They've done rather well in the past 70 years with that strategy.

Sorry, I thought we were talking about exporting raw resources. My bad.

But on this point, why stop at Germany? Look at China! They are the biggest. Exporting is good. The point is that you can't import far more than you export, or you're draining the wealthy from your country. Trade requires you to produce something of value in return, not to borrow $20 trillion dollars and keep your economy pumped up on funny money. That will not end well.

Originally Posted by avb3

Funny everyone else has released them. Legally does he have to? No. Morally? What is he hiding?

Why do you think he's hiding anything? He has a legitimate reason for not releasing his tax returns.

Have the others actually released their full returns? I thought they had not.

Anyways, it's a non-issue. They basically invented it out of thin air as an attack on Trump. They probably knew he was being audited.

Originally Posted by avb3

BLM is not a violent movement.

Really? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Tea-Party.html

Originally Posted by avb3

1st amendment rights applies to everyone, not just Trump. Do you know how he gets around it? He make his rallies 'private', and as such, the 1st amendment does not apply. I'd like to see what would happen in Canada if a politician tried that... he would be totally and rightfully be destroyed by public opinion. The best politicians, and I am thinking of a Ralph Klein, knew exactly how to deal with hecklers, and did it well. He didn't play the bully that Trump does.

I'm pretty sure Ralph Klein never had to deal with the likes of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06d4t1704N8

What do you do when reasoning and talking doesn't work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI9MCvK2MGs

Are you suggesting that Trump should hold a public rally with people yelling against him the entire time? Kicking them out makes the most sense to me. Why can't they protest outside or go spend their time at a Bernie rally or doing something productive instead?

Alberta, and Canada, are sheltered (so far).

Originally Posted by avb3

I think you need to understand the US Constitution a bit better, the impact of treaties, and international law. The Nuremberg Trials were held for a reason.

Without invoking Godwin's law, I think many would suggest, "I was just following orders" is not an acceptable excuse.

Right. When you're defeated and lost, your enemies will charge you with all those crimes you had previously gotten away (and perhaps some extra ones) with so they can demonize you and turn you into the devil incarnate and blame everything on you.

America will have plenty of crimes to stand trial for if they are ever defeated as Germany was.

Originally Posted by avb3

You may want to read some books about Putin. I would recommend this one:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Man-Withou.../dp/1594486514

It's available at the library; my librarian in my small little village in central Alberta recommended it to me. The man is more than dangerous.

The reviews suggest that it's very biased. Sounds like propaganda, frankly. I only intentionally read unbiased stuff. The biggest thing I can say in Putin's credit is that he's very articulate, he's made very smart moves (in Ukraine & Syria), and the Russian people I've talked to (online) all seem to respect him. It's very hard to find unbiased sources of information. Especially in the West when we're talking about someone our government and media and school system hates. Most of us unfortunately don't pride ourselves on intellectual honesty or accuracy.

[RavYak]

Originally Posted by ak-71

Too bad that socialism just simply doesn't work, it's a feel good and kind "idea" (not reality/implementation), just never worked anywhere. Like some fairy tails, unicorns or switching everything to wind/solar power, good to talk about, but just doesn't exist/work.

PS. It's cut and paste of the internet inline with what I remember hearing as a child just about everywhere in USSR

Originally Posted by SubMOA

Agreed on socialism not working - history has proven that repeatedly. As Winston Churchill said, "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."

How does socialism not work? It is working right here in Canada now as we speak...

Do yourselves a favour and research the subject and understand the definitions you use before making blunt false statements...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_socialism

The problem is that you guys like so many others only see things in black or white. Socialism is a concept, it does not have to be taken to the extreme utopian or communist forms to be socialism...

That is like saying capitalism is bad because slavery can be considered a form of capitalism...

The fact is no single system is perfect. You need a mixture of socialism, capitalism, democracy and much more to have a successful government and country.

This is like how Hillary doesn't want to consider herself liberal and definitely not socialist but rather progressive. The 3 are largely the same thing... How do you be a progressive or liberal without supporting some socialist ideas/programs? You cant...

[ak-71]

Originally Posted by RavYak

How does socialism not work? It is working right here in Canada now as we speak...

Do yourselves a favour and research the subject and understand the definitions you use before making blunt false statements...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_socialism

The problem is that you guys like so many others only see things in black or white. Socialism is a concept, it does not have to be taken to the extreme utopian or communist forms to be socialism...

That is like saying capitalism is bad because slavery can be considered a form of capitalism...

The fact is no single system is perfect. You need a mixture of socialism, capitalism, democracy and much more to have a successful government and country.

This is like how Hillary doesn't want to consider herself liberal and definitely not socialist but rather progressive. The 3 are largely the same thing... How do you be a progressive or liberal without supporting some socialist ideas/programs? You cant...

I was talking about specific form covered in the last paragraph as "Scientific socialism". At least in theory, it was the form USSR model was suppose to be, or very close to it. That's why I said "USSR model" didn't work as advertised. I have a first hand experience with it, actually I had to take classes in theory and history of socialism and communist party in USSR at about the same time I first visited Canada as a tourist.
Believe me, if you think Canada has socialism and it is something even remotely of a kind USSR had, you have some self-education to do . According to classes I took in USSR Canada doesn't have socialism, don't kid yourself. Theory these classes followed is about 150 y/o, things have changed, I guess.
Just to note, I am not the one to bash USSR, what a lot of people think they know about it is just simply wrong, but I can clearly say that at the end it was some seriously failed social and economic experiment with a very attractive theory attached to it.

PS. BTW wouldn't slavery belong to ancient mode of production, which is one step before feudalism, 2 steps before capitalism and 3 steps before socialism? I am a bit rusty on historical materialism, was never my fortay amyhow.

[avb3]

Originally Posted by happy5

......

Why don't you think Reagan could get elected today? He was a nationalist, just like Trump.

You tell me if Bush the first or Reagan could get elected today if you listen to this debate on the border and a wall?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5CEX4O0Ab4

They sound like idiots, but to each their own. Maybe they're just butthurt right now and they'll calm down before the general election.

I wouldn't tell the retired Colonel how much an idiot he is. But you're free to. He is an intelligent, thinking individual. He would not have been appointed to his position if he wasn't. He is on our condo board, and frankly, is one person I would gladly have running anything. I have a higher regard for those that served and think than you do apparently.

I looked at ADP. Unless I missed the details, it looks very superficial. I prefer the BLS data. According to the BLS, in February ~242K jobs were added. Most of them were crap jobs:


Some great job growth you've got there!

I thought you didn't trust 'gubermint numbers'? Hence me referring the ADP data. BTW, their feedback is virtually immediate and week to week with figures.

Sorry to hear that you think jobs in Education or Heath are crap jobs. I hope you or your family don't need either of them, ever. You must understand that when restaurants and retail hire people, the reason is because they are doing more business. Why are they doing more business? Because the economy is improved in the area they are in. Why are Alberta businesses closing????

I can't speak to your specific location or who you associate with, but the facts are that the US has had a lousy, fake "recovery". They pumped tons of stimulus creating even bigger bubbles than back in 2007, and people are worse off on average, not better.

I'm not sure, like I said before, why you would suggest numbers are wrong now, when they are using the same methodology as they did when the economy was in recession. When GDP increases, and employment increases, and wages increase, that is NOT because the economy is declining.

Thanks for proving my point. Trump is well aware how how America is being looted in exchange for trinkets as he's been doing it for a long time.

It also shows what a hypocrite he is. The man has immense difficulty not being economical with facts.

I'm pretty sure Ralph Klein never had to deal with the likes of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06d4t1704N8

Apparently he did.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle4128826/

Right. When you're defeated and lost, your enemies will charge you with all those crimes you had previously gotten away (and perhaps some extra ones) with so they can demonize you and turn you into the devil incarnate and blame everything on you.

America will have plenty of crimes to stand trial for if they are ever defeated as Germany was.

I'm sorry, I can't and won't support anyone in any country who is not only OK with war crimes, but is actively campaigning on them. The line gets drawn somewhere, and my morals do not allow me to step over that line. I don't care how much raw meat I am fed.

Others apparently are perfectly OK with it. Again, I won't invoke Godwin's Law, but the comparison is obvious.

The reviews suggest that it's very biased. Sounds like propaganda, frankly. I only intentionally read unbiased stuff. The biggest thing I can say in Putin's credit is that he's very articulate, he's made very smart moves (in Ukraine & Syria), and the Russian people I've talked to (online) all seem to respect him. It's very hard to find unbiased sources of information. Especially in the West when we're talking about someone our government and media and school system hates. Most of us unfortunately don't pride ourselves on intellectual honesty or accuracy.

Yes, I noticed 75% gave it a 4 or a 5.

Anecdotal, but relevant, I have a friend who used to do a lot of business in Russia. The emphasis is used to. Things are so corrupt there he hasn't developed a building in a decade. His opinion of the book is that it only describes half of what is going on. Regardless, I don't trust Putin or Trump. They both scare me.

[ak-71]

About the author, avb3, I had a feeling (saw and read her on occasion, not the book though) that she is a hardcore lefty ("liberast" as righties call them in Russia now), and thus, hates Putin. I have friends and relatives like this who will blame everything on Putin and lie happily about him. I also have friends who became what they call "patriots" ("righties") there, they love Putin, will never admit any wrongdoings or mistakes he made, if something goes terribly wrong they will explain it by our inability to see the divine plan Putin has. (PS. If that doesn't work they blame it on the West)
I am not a big fan of Putin, and think in particular that the fact that corruption is almost official now is his fault, maybe even intended result of him being in power.
But I also have to admit, that he can get some things right recently, reminds me a broken clock 2 times a day.

[avb3]

Originally Posted by ak-71

About the author, avb3, I had a feeling (saw and read her on occasion, not the book though) that she is a hardcore lefty ("liberast" as righties call them in Russia now), and thus, hates Putin. I have friends and relatives like this who will blame everything on Putin and lie happily about him. I also have friends who became what they call "patriots" ("righties") there, they love Putin, will never admit any wrongdoings or mistakes he made, if something goes terribly wrong they will explain it by our inability to see the divine plan Putin has. (PS. If that doesn't work they blame it on the West)
I am not a big fan of Putin, and think in particular that the fact that corruption is almost official now is his fault, maybe even intended result of him being in power.
But I also have to admit, that he can get some things right recently, reminds me a broken clock 2 times a day.

I find it interesting when people here in North America label our politicians as 'corrupt'.

They have NO idea what that really means. I know a few people who have had dealings in Russia since the down fall of the USSR, and there are things told I would not believe if I didn't know them personally and the veracity of what they are telling. It's a scary place for us who are sheltered. I know it is not a place I would want to be in the game, as I wouldn't have a clue of what the rules were.

[RavYak]

Originally Posted by ak-71

I was talking about specific form covered in the last paragraph as "Scientific socialism". At least in theory, it was the form USSR model was suppose to be, or very close to it. That's why I said "USSR model" didn't work as advertised. I have a first hand experience with it, actually I had to take classes in theory and history of socialism and communist party in USSR at about the same time I first visited Canada as a tourist.
Believe me, if you think Canada has socialism and it is something even remotely of a kind USSR had, you have some self-education to do . According to classes I took in USSR Canada doesn't have socialism, don't kid yourself. Theory these classes followed is about 150 y/o, things have changed, I guess.
Just to note, I am not the one to bash USSR, what a lot of people think they know about it is just simply wrong, but I can clearly say that at the end it was some seriously failed social and economic experiment with a very attractive theory attached to it.

PS. BTW wouldn't slavery belong to ancient mode of production, which is one step before feudalism, 2 steps before capitalism and 3 steps before socialism? I am a bit rusty on historical materialism, was never my fortay amyhow.

I guess it depends on how you view things. If you view socialism purely as it was originally defined with the primary context being in regard to the economy then you are right Canada is nowhere near a socialist state like what the USSR kind of set up(but even then not really).

I perhaps have wrongly confused with social democracy because of how people like Bernie Sanders(and others) refer to themselves as democratic socialists when in fact he and other democratic socialists have never proposed socialism(Bernie has never stated he wants to get rid of the markets and capitalism although maybe perhaps deep within himself is a belief it can work and hence why he calls himself a democratic socialist, I really don't know if that is true though).

If we view socialism as the marxist definition of socialism on economics then I agree it is unlikely(although I do not think it impossible as you do) socialism would work. What I argue that would and does work is what many people consider the "socialist" views of Bernie and many other politicians like him.

I also disagree in anyone claiming socialism doesn't work because of what happened in the USSR as it was never a properly handled socialist society as it never had the democratic aspect that socialism requires.

[SubMOA]

Originally Posted by RavYak

How does socialism not work? It is working right here in Canada now as we speak...

Do yourselves a favour and research the subject and understand the definitions you use before making blunt false statements...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_socialism

The problem is that you guys like so many others only see things in black or white. Socialism is a concept, it does not have to be taken to the extreme utopian or communist forms to be socialism...

That is like saying capitalism is bad because slavery can be considered a form of capitalism...

The fact is no single system is perfect. You need a mixture of socialism, capitalism, democracy and much more to have a successful government and country.

This is like how Hillary doesn't want to consider herself liberal and definitely not socialist but rather progressive. The 3 are largely the same thing... How do you be a progressive or liberal without supporting some socialist ideas/programs? You cant...

Not to be too argumentative - but not sure how you can claim its working right here in Canada - do you not pay taxes? See the black market creeping in all over due to people trying to get out from under the economic slavery that is currently moving up to higher and higher levels? Agreed its not as bad as the USSR was - but we sure are headed that way.
I can definitely agree that no single system is perfect - as I said earlier "isms" are too polarizing. What we currently have however is slowly creeping into "bureaucratic despotism" if it hasn't got there already. LESS government, LESS taxes, MORE freedom for individual citizens is what I vote for.

Any student of history if he reads with an objective view and not holding onto "pet" ideas will see that the past is strewn with the wreckage of socialism - because its a "great" theory but does not work in the real world.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by SubMOA

See the black market creeping in all over due to people trying to get out from under the economic slavery that is currently moving up to higher and higher levels? Agreed its not as bad as the USSR was - but we sure are headed that way.

if anyone is heading out of the province i'd like some peach prime times

[Chuck_Wagon]

Originally Posted by avb3

avb said....same old, same old

[RavYak]

Originally Posted by SubMOA

Not to be too argumentative - but not sure how you can claim its working right here in Canada - do you not pay taxes? See the black market creeping in all over due to people trying to get out from under the economic slavery that is currently moving up to higher and higher levels? Agreed its not as bad as the USSR was - but we sure are headed that way.
I can definitely agree that no single system is perfect - as I said earlier "isms" are too polarizing. What we currently have however is slowly creeping into "bureaucratic despotism" if it hasn't got there already. LESS government, LESS taxes, MORE freedom for individual citizens is what I vote for.

I highly disagree. Our current tax system is not horrible in any way shape or form and we get a lot for those tax dollars. We have very easy cushy lives here and are nowhere near "economic slavery"...

I highly advise you do some travelling and get a taste for the real world if you actually believe what you just said.

[Chuck_Wagon]

Secret Service agents: Hillary is a nightmare

By Deroy Murdock
October 2, 2015 | 8:50pm


“Good morning, ma’am,” a member of the uniformed Secret Service once greeted Hillary Clinton.

“F— off,” she replied.

That exchange is one among many that active and retired Secret Service agents shared with Ronald Kessler, author of “First Family Detail,” a compelling look at the intrepid personnel who shield America’s presidents and their families — and those whom they guard.

Kessler writes flatteringly and critically about people in both parties. Regarding the Clintons, Kessler presents Chelsea as a model protectee who respected and appreciated her agents. He describes Bill as a difficult chief executive but an easygoing ex-president. And Kessler exposes Hillary as an epically abusive Arctic monster.

“When in public, Hillary smiles and acts graciously,” Kessler explains. “As soon as the cameras are gone, her angry personality, nastiness, and imperiousness become evident.”

He adds: “Hillary Clinton can make Richard Nixon look like Mahatma Gandhi.”

Kessler was an investigative reporter with the Wall Street Journal and Washington Post and has penned 19 other books. Among much more in “First Family Detail,” he reports:

• “Hillary was very rude to agents, and she didn’t appear to like law enforcement or the military,” former Secret Service agent Lloyd Bulman recalls. “She wouldn’t go over and meet military people or police officers, as most protectees do. She was just really rude to almost everybody. She’d act like she didn’t want you around, like you were beneath her.”

“Hillary didn’t like the military aides wearing their uniforms around the White House,” one former agent remembers. “She asked if they would wear business suits instead. The uniform’s a sign of pride, and they’re proud to wear their uniform. I know that the military was actually really offended by it.”

•Former agent Jeff Crane says, “Hillary would cuss at Secret Service drivers for going over bumps.” Another former member of her detail recollects, “Hillary never talked to us . . . Most all members of first families would talk to us and smile. She never did that.”

“We spent years with her,” yet another Secret Service agent notes. “She never said thank you.”

•Within the White House, Hillary had a “standing rule that no one spoke to her when she was going from one location to another,” says former FBI agent Coy Copeland. “In fact, anyone who would see her coming would just step into the first available office.”

One former Secret Service agent states, “If Hillary was walking down a hall, you were supposed to hide behind drapes used as partitions.”

•Hillary one day ran into a White House electrician who was changing a light bulb in the upstairs family quarters. She screamed at him, because she had demanded that all repairs be performed while the Clintons were outside the Executive Mansion.

“She caught the guy on a ladder doing the light bulb,” says Franette McCulloch, who served at that time as assistant White House pastry chef. “He was a basket case.”

•White House usher Christopher B. Emery unwisely called back Barbara Bush after she phoned him for computer troubleshooting. Emery helped the former first lady twice. Consequently, Kessler reports, Hillary sacked him. The father of four stayed jobless for a year.

•While running for US Senate, Hillary stopped at an upstate New York 4-H Club. As one Secret Service agent says, Hillary saw farmers and cows and then erupted. “She turned to a staffer and said, ‘What the f - - - did we come here for? There’s no money here.’ ”

Secret Service “agents consider being assigned to her detail a form of punishment,” Kessler concludes. “In fact, agents say being on Hillary Clinton’s detail is the worst duty assignment in the Secret Service.”

After studying the Secret Service and its relationships with dozens of presidents, vice presidents and their families, Ronald Kessler’s astonishment at Hillary Clinton’s inhumanity should reverberate in every American’s head.

As he told me: “No one would hire such a person to work at a McDonald’s, and yet she is being considered for president of the United States.”

Deroy Murdock is a Fox News contributor.

[SubMOA]

Originally Posted by RavYak

I highly disagree. Our current tax system is not horrible in any way shape or form and we get a lot for those tax dollars. We have very easy cushy lives here and are nowhere near "economic slavery"...

I highly advise you do some travelling and get a taste for the real world if you actually believe what you just said.

Jee - quite the presumptive fellow aren't you - happen to have visited many places on the globe, and while I agree that we have a good life here - the whole point is we have to KEEP IT THAT WAY. Currently between all the taxes and hidden taxes we pay upwards of 50%. And we don't get a lot for those tax dollars, unless you mean the 16 hour emergency room wait for my elderly father while he was in agony over a gallstone.... instead of presuming that everyone is stupid because they don't agree with you, try studying a little history and being a bit more humble, might work better for you.

[HalfBreed]

That's just crazy!

Originally Posted by Chuck_Wagon

Secret Service agents: Hillary is a nightmare

By Deroy Murdock
October 2, 2015 | 8:50pm


“Good morning, ma’am,” a member of the uniformed Secret Service once greeted Hillary Clinton.

“F— off,” she replied.

That exchange is one among many that active and retired Secret Service agents shared with Ronald Kessler, author of “First Family Detail,” a compelling look at the intrepid personnel who shield America’s presidents and their families — and those whom they guard.

Kessler writes flatteringly and critically about people in both parties. Regarding the Clintons, Kessler presents Chelsea as a model protectee who respected and appreciated her agents. He describes Bill as a difficult chief executive but an easygoing ex-president. And Kessler exposes Hillary as an epically abusive Arctic monster.

“When in public, Hillary smiles and acts graciously,” Kessler explains. “As soon as the cameras are gone, her angry personality, nastiness, and imperiousness become evident.”

He adds: “Hillary Clinton can make Richard Nixon look like Mahatma Gandhi.”

Kessler was an investigative reporter with the Wall Street Journal and Washington Post and has penned 19 other books. Among much more in “First Family Detail,” he reports:

• “Hillary was very rude to agents, and she didn’t appear to like law enforcement or the military,” former Secret Service agent Lloyd Bulman recalls. “She wouldn’t go over and meet military people or police officers, as most protectees do. She was just really rude to almost everybody. She’d act like she didn’t want you around, like you were beneath her.”

“Hillary didn’t like the military aides wearing their uniforms around the White House,” one former agent remembers. “She asked if they would wear business suits instead. The uniform’s a sign of pride, and they’re proud to wear their uniform. I know that the military was actually really offended by it.”

•Former agent Jeff Crane says, “Hillary would cuss at Secret Service drivers for going over bumps.” Another former member of her detail recollects, “Hillary never talked to us . . . Most all members of first families would talk to us and smile. She never did that.”

“We spent years with her,” yet another Secret Service agent notes. “She never said thank you.”

•Within the White House, Hillary had a “standing rule that no one spoke to her when she was going from one location to another,” says former FBI agent Coy Copeland. “In fact, anyone who would see her coming would just step into the first available office.”

One former Secret Service agent states, “If Hillary was walking down a hall, you were supposed to hide behind drapes used as partitions.”

•Hillary one day ran into a White House electrician who was changing a light bulb in the upstairs family quarters. She screamed at him, because she had demanded that all repairs be performed while the Clintons were outside the Executive Mansion.

“She caught the guy on a ladder doing the light bulb,” says Franette McCulloch, who served at that time as assistant White House pastry chef. “He was a basket case.”

•White House usher Christopher B. Emery unwisely called back Barbara Bush after she phoned him for computer troubleshooting. Emery helped the former first lady twice. Consequently, Kessler reports, Hillary sacked him. The father of four stayed jobless for a year.

•While running for US Senate, Hillary stopped at an upstate New York 4-H Club. As one Secret Service agent says, Hillary saw farmers and cows and then erupted. “She turned to a staffer and said, ‘What the f - - - did we come here for? There’s no money here.’ ”

Secret Service “agents consider being assigned to her detail a form of punishment,” Kessler concludes. “In fact, agents say being on Hillary Clinton’s detail is the worst duty assignment in the Secret Service.”

After studying the Secret Service and its relationships with dozens of presidents, vice presidents and their families, Ronald Kessler’s astonishment at Hillary Clinton’s inhumanity should reverberate in every American’s head.

As he told me: “No one would hire such a person to work at a McDonald’s, and yet she is being considered for president of the United States.”

Deroy Murdock is a Fox News contributor.

[avb3]

Originally Posted by Chuck_Wagon

..... nothing of consequence....

Apparently you were trying to get some point across; you missed.

[Sigg]

Trump might not be a good President.....but he sure as hell is being a great messenger.

Can you guys read between the lines on what he is saying?

Look at everyone who is trying to take him down and the common link they have.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by avb3

Tell that to the family of four who have to pay over $850/month for health insurance in the US, plus pay a deductible, plus be restricted to which doctor/specialist they can see because of HMOs and have limits on some of their coverage. Oh, and waiting times can be as long or longer than in Canada.. I just (in the past month) went through that where I was considering having a procedure done in the States. Longer waiting time, $1500-2500 out of pocket, versus a 3 week shorter waiting time and only $415 return flight by having it done in Alberta.

Tell me again how wonderful the States is. They spend 33% more as a percentage o GDP on their healthcare, with worse results. We Canadians live longer.

Reality, not fluff.

Friends of ours...family of four in Iowa pay $15000/year basic plan...1/2 price of obamacre they told me.

If they are pregnant and deliver after the renewal date it is not covered. Basic cost no problems about $50,000. As is stood the last kid deductible was $5000.

Factoring healthcare they are taxed more than us.

On a per person basis their healthcare costs are significantly higher than Canada. Why? Because they need to make a profit.

My buddy in Denver was having foot problems. Went to his HMO. They diagnosed correctly a deep bone infection that was spreading. Standard antibiotics did not work and it was not improving with the next best. HMO doc said they were going to amputate. He asked for a second opinion and had to squeak really loud.

Finally allowed to see another doc. That doc said he would recommend a deep bone treatment. Injections etc over time along with other procedures. He said he was a good candidate.

Went back to his doc and said he wanted that and squealed loud. Finally they agreed. He takes with the treating doctor and asked what happened.

He said the amputation cost $8000. The treatment option was $14,000.

I agree with you again. I am a staunch capitalist. I would never compromise on universal healthcare.

Foot was saved.

[avb3]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Friends of ours...family of four in Iowa pay $15000/year basic plan...1/2 price of obamacre they told me.

If they are pregnant and deliver after the renewal date it is not covered. Basic cost no problems about $50,000. As is stood the last kid deductible was $5000.

Factoring healthcare they are taxed more than us.

On a per person basis their healthcare costs are significantly higher than Canada. Why? Because they need to make a profit.

My buddy in Denver was having foot problems. Went to his HMO. They diagnosed correctly a deep bone infection that was spreading. Standard antibiotics did not work and it was not improving with the next best. HMO doc said they were going to amputate. He asked for a second opinion and had to squeak really loud.

Finally allowed to see another doc. That doc said he would recommend a deep bone treatment. Injections etc over time along with other procedures. He said he was a good candidate.

Went back to his doc and said he wanted that and squealed loud. Finally they agreed. He takes with the treating doctor and asked what happened.

He said the amputation cost $8000. The treatment option was $14,000.

I agree with you again. I am a staunch capitalist. I would never compromise on universal healthcare.

Foot was saved.

This is exactly the type of stuff people down here tell me. Every procedure must be preapproved... meaning clinic staff need to be hired to call staff at the insurance companies, followup, and one is not guaranteed that it will be approved. A girl I dated for a while, a teacher, so on a good plan, developed varicose veins in both her legs which was very painful.

The first leg was approved relatively quickly, although she had to follow up a week after it was sent in. The second leg was turned down twice, even though it needed it as bad as the first. Finally, after 3 months, it got approved after a lot of back and forth.

At least in Canada the doctor just has to worry about whether you have an Alberta Health Card. They determine what you need, it is not questioned, and it gets done. No extra staff at either end adding costs into the system, never mind additional profits.

There are very, very few people in Canada who don't prefer our system over the fluster cluck the US is. There are many in the US who envy us, including that teacher. She visited me a couple of years ago in Alberta, and forgot a prescription at home. I told her, no biggie, we'll just go to a Medicenter, get one written up, and then to the pharmacy.

She was so concerned about how much it would cost, being used to US prices. I phoned, told her $45, which she could not believe. She was skeptical until it was confirmed at the counter. I forget the cost of the medicine, but she was amazed that as an uninsured person, the doctor's visit, plus the cost of the prescription was less than the deductible alone she would have had to pay in the US for the same combination! And don't forget, she had one of the better plans they have.

P.S. Oh, I've had to bookmark your post. You agreed with me.

[happy5]

Originally Posted by avb3

You tell me if Bush the first or Reagan could get elected today if you listen to this debate on the border and a wall?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5CEX4O0Ab4

The problem of illegal immigration has grown exponentially since 40 years ago. A lot has changed. Reagan would build a wall if he was running today.

Originally Posted by avb3

I thought you didn't trust 'gubermint numbers'? Hence me referring the ADP data. BTW, their feedback is virtually immediate and week to week with figures.

I never said I didn't trust gubermint data. I said that unemployment numbers are doctored. It's a deceptive statistic. People who are not employed are not included in the statistic if they've been declared out of the workforce.

I have nothing against ADP data but if they don't break down job gains by sector (which I couldn't find) then they're meaningless. BLS provides a lot more detailed info.

Originally Posted by avb3

Sorry to hear that you think jobs in Education or Heath are crap jobs. I hope you or your family don't need either of them, ever. You must understand that when restaurants and retail hire people, the reason is because they are doing more business. Why are they doing more business? Because the economy is improved in the area they are in. Why are Alberta businesses closing????

Yes, they are crap jobs. These aren't doctors we're talking about. Probably part time, minimum wage nannies.



A real recovery or economic growth would not be limited to 3 low wage part time sectors.

Originally Posted by avb3

I'm not sure, like I said before, why you would suggest numbers are wrong now, when they are using the same methodology as they did when the economy was in recession. When GDP increases, and employment increases, and wages increase, that is NOT because the economy is declining.

Adjusted for inflation, wages overall are declining, not rising. Unless you're a CEO or in upper management.

Originally Posted by avb3

I'm sorry, I can't and won't support anyone in any country who is not only OK with war crimes, but is actively campaigning on them. The line gets drawn somewhere, and my morals do not allow me to step over that line. I don't care how much raw meat I am fed.

So you support ISIS committing war crimes against us but we can't fight back on equal grounds because you want to feel "moral"? You're a cuck.

"War crimes" are arbitrary. These things weren't considered crimes until very recently in history.

Originally Posted by avb3

Yes, I noticed 75% gave it a 4 or a 5.

Nearly everything has 75% or higher rating these days. I like to look at the reviews. If the positive reviews sound like they were written by morons and vice versa for the negative reviews, it probably sucks.

Originally Posted by avb3

Anecdotal, but relevant, I have a friend who used to do a lot of business in Russia. The emphasis is used to. Things are so corrupt there he hasn't developed a building in a decade. His opinion of the book is that it only describes half of what is going on. Regardless, I don't trust Putin or Trump. They both scare me.

You're blind to the real problems. You feel comfortable with the status quo. You don't care if your children will have to face the real problems as long as you don't have to. Pathetic.

[RavYak]

Originally Posted by SubMOA

Jee - quite the presumptive fellow aren't you - happen to have visited many places on the globe, and while I agree that we have a good life here - the whole point is we have to KEEP IT THAT WAY. Currently between all the taxes and hidden taxes we pay upwards of 50%. And we don't get a lot for those tax dollars, unless you mean the 16 hour emergency room wait for my elderly father while he was in agony over a gallstone.... instead of presuming that everyone is stupid because they don't agree with you, try studying a little history and being a bit more humble, might work better for you.

You sure are singing a different tune now... One second we as a country are suffering from "economic slavery" and are on the verge of being a "bureaucratic despotism" which would mean we must live in a situation on par with the general population in China and the next you are agreeing with me that we got it pretty good... I am not presumptive, you obviously just don't believe what you originally posted and to which I replied...

Regardless I disagree that less taxes and government involvement are the way to go. I have no problem with taxes if they are put to good use. Healthcare wait times are not a sign of poorly used tax dollars, it is a sign of underfunded healthcare... The only way to correct that problem is to actually increase taxes to properly fund healthcare(or cut taxes elsewhere if possible to offset it).

There are many other good uses for taxes and if anything we in the province of AB are under taxed thanks to our previous great wealth obtained from oil. If oil doesn't rebound our taxes will have to increase to match other Canadians that already pay PST/HST and higher income taxes etc.

[bessiedog]

Originally Posted by happy5

The problem of illegal immigration has grown exponentially since 40 years ago. A lot has changed. Reagan would build a wall if he was running today.


I never said I didn't trust gubermint data. I said that unemployment numbers are doctored. It's a deceptive statistic. People who are not employed are not included in the statistic if they've been declared out of the workforce.

I have nothing against ADP data but if they don't break down job gains by sector (which I couldn't find) then they're meaningless. BLS provides a lot more detailed info.


Yes, they are crap jobs. These aren't doctors we're talking about. Probably part time, minimum wage nannies.



A real recovery or economic growth would not be limited to 3 low wage part time sectors.


Adjusted for inflation, wages overall are declining, not rising. Unless you're a CEO or in upper management.


So you support ISIS committing war crimes against us but we can't fight back on equal grounds because you want to feel "moral"? You're a cuck.

"War crimes" are arbitrary. These things weren't considered crimes until very recently in history.


Nearly everything has 75% or higher rating these days. I like to look at the reviews. If the positive reviews sound like they were written by morons and vice versa for the negative reviews, it probably sucks.


You're blind to the real problems. You feel comfortable with the status quo. You don't care if your children will have to face the real problems as long as you don't have to. Pathetic.

Is dat you Rug?


Buddy?

[jungleboy]

delete

[avb3]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

Is dat you Rug?


Buddy?

Shush! Don't bust him. We were having a good discussion.

[DiabeticKripple]

do you know whats really scary?

if a guy posts on facebook (i know....) that he supports trump on a major news site, he gets harassed by lefties calling him stupid, ignorant, rasict, a fascist, and any other name you can imagine. if only they realized the irony of what they were saying.

[ak-71]

About to become a WR activist