BIG Grizzly Shot Pointblank Range Bowhunter-Grande Prairie

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by sage 13

In talks with different wardens some have said everyone has different thresholds of what they feel is a safe distance. In reading some of the replys here some are just scared and dislike bears/predators so just shoot them.

Or maybe some value their own life more than that of a bear and aren't willing to take the risk. Can't says I blame them

[Mulehahn]

If the COs find him innocent fine, fine. I will accept it. But I listened to that interview and kept having to rewind it trying to find the "attack!" Can someone please help me because I don't hear it; the story he is sharing, as far as I can tell is:

Grizzly came running into an elk call from 80 yards away, then at 40 yards it slowed to a trot looking for the elk it heard. He draws back, steps around a tree and sees the bear moving parallel to him.at 15 yards "in an effort to cut him off," from what I don't know as he still standing still, but any ways the bear is moving slow enough that he gas time to search and set up on.a shooting lane ahead of the bear and once the bear, moving perpendicular according to his own story, he lets the arrow fly. I am still not sure when the bear closed in from turning at 15 yards away to "cut him off" to the less than 3 that he shot it at but even still where is the attack.

A grizzly came into an elk call and couldn't find the elk.without ever knowing hunter was even there. This actually sounds more like a perfectly executed hunt rather than self defence. And before the keyboard warriors jump in, I have been less than 15 yards from.a grizzly. More than once. Have also been less than a truck length from.a cougar. Everyone walked away.I don't care a bear was killed, I don't care he took pictures with it. I would do the same if I had to kill a bear to save my life. But if you are going to kill a bear for doing nothing more than bear things I do care.

[urcayuse]

So he should have waited for it to attack? Gotcha. That’s what you would have done I bet.

[DirtShooter]

Originally Posted by urcayuse

So he should have waited for it to attack? Gotcha. That’s what you would have done I bet.

See but it wasn't attacking so where is the "self defense"?

Random dude off the street standing at the end of your driveway doing random dude things like vaping and you shoot him, well that's not self defense either.

[JD848]

Originally Posted by DirtShooter

See but it wasn't attacking so where is the "self defense"?

Random dude off the street standing at the end of your driveway doing random dude things like vaping and you shoot him, well that's not self defense either.

Really, go get some air. vaping vs grizz . Come on man .

[calgarychef]

Originally Posted by DirtShooter

See but it wasn't attacking so where is the "self defense"?

Random dude off the street standing at the end of your driveway doing random dude things like vaping and you shoot him, well that's not self defense either.

Premeditated self defence 😎
I agree this wasn’t an attack but it was too close for comfort.

[DirtShooter]

Originally Posted by JD848

Really, go get some air. vaping vs grizz . Come on man .

My point is, was it self defense or was it "I pooped my pants and wasn't sure what to do next"

The law will look at it as black and white self defense or not self defense and if the bear didn't attack well.... what was there to defend?

As of now all signs point to poopy pants and marketing opportunity.

[DirtShooter]

Originally Posted by calgarychef

Premeditated self defence 😎
I agree this wasn’t an attack but it was too close for comfort.

Well the law will have to determine what too close for comfort is just like humans defending themselves against other humans the court usually gets to determine what self defense is/was along with a big lawyer bill

[LKILR]

Originally Posted by Mulehahn

If the COs find him innocent fine, fine. I will accept it. But I listened to that interview and kept having to rewind it trying to find the "attack!" Can someone please help me because I don't hear it; the story he is sharing, as far as I can tell is:

Grizzly came running into an elk call from 80 yards away, then at 40 yards it slowed to a trot looking for the elk it heard. He draws back, steps around a tree and sees the bear moving parallel to him.at 15 yards "in an effort to cut him off," from what I don't know as he still standing still, but any ways the bear is moving slow enough that he gas time to search and set up on.a shooting lane ahead of the bear and once the bear, moving perpendicular according to his own story, he lets the arrow fly. I am still not sure when the bear closed in from turning at 15 yards away to "cut him off" to the less than 3 that he shot it at but even still where is the attack.

A grizzly came into an elk call and couldn't find the elk.without ever knowing hunter was even there. This actually sounds more like a perfectly executed hunt rather than self defence. And before the keyboard warriors jump in, I have been less than 15 yards from.a grizzly. More than once. Have also been less than a truck length from.a cougar. Everyone walked away.I don't care a bear was killed, I don't care he took pictures with it. I would do the same if I had to kill a bear to save my life. But if you are going to kill a bear for doing nothing more than bear things I do care.

I have to agree

I have called grizzlies in with elk call more than once and never had to even fire a warning shot.

You just have to stand your ground and let the bear figure out that you are not an elk.
It takes balls.


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[heretohunt]

So what you guys are saying is, if he waited a half a second more he would’ve found out for sure if the grizzly was going to maul him?

[heretohunt]

I guess you would also have to be confident that the bear wasn’t on a kill at the time. You guys are very brave and clearly big risk takers. I wish I was more like that.

[LKILR]

I would like to know if he had bear spray or not.

Because if he did this would have been an excellent time to use it instead of using lethal force.

This was not an attack.
This was an encounter.

I think too many on here are plain scared sh$$less of bears and should stay home for their own safety.


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[Mulehahn]

Originally Posted by urcayuse

So he should have waited for it to attack? Gotcha. That’s what you would have done I bet.

I don't know what I would have done. I do know I have had a grizzly get with 7 yards of me with out me knowing once and though I had a gun no shots were fired. That is the closest I ever beem to a live grizzly but have been close a few other times. I have had a cougar come out to my truck as I was at the back was breaking down my fly fishing gear and I had no gun..Grabbed a knife but felt stupid about it. Again everyone walked away. Personal favorite story is some people yelling bear down at a buddy and I as we walked on a lower trail from back from a lake. We turn around and see a young black bear coming close enough that my buddy smacked it in the head with a fishing rod. Guns were all in camp so was all we had. Never saw the bear again though. Some of the members of the hiking clubs I belong to spend more time in in the outdoors then 95% of the people on this site. They live and breath it. Yet almost none of them even own any firearms or bows and don't live in fear of grizzlies.

Like I said, I have no idea would do in this situation. I wasn't there. But bears do bear things and if you can't handle that stay out of the woods.

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by calgarychef

Premeditated self defence 😎
I agree this wasn’t an attack but it was too close for comfort.

I

I totally concure with this. If anyone has ever witnessed a bear change gears from cruise to full out you would understand what too close is.
Choose your "too close"distance and stick with it.

[Bushrat]

We will never know the truth, it could have been shot at 50yds, for all we know. Could have been mistaken for a black bear, who knows.

He could be telling the truth or he could be making stuff up to cover a screw up. The arrow coming out the side of the bears chest leaves a lot of questions. I'd like to see where it entered. Simply not enough information. Bring on the lie detector..lol.

[Curtsyneil]

Had a buddy a few years back shoot a grizzly cause a certain rancher wanted it gone then when it happened he had no clue who my buddy was and my buddy end up turning him self in cause he had some stress over the whole ordeal. Long story short 5 years without hunting was his penalty. He has now served his 5 year penalty and is a happy hunter again so I would think if caught doin something like shooting a bear in self defence then reporting it will probly cost the hunter some years of hunting if the courts see it that way.

[Ackleyman]

Originally Posted by Curtsyneil

Had a buddy a few years back shoot a grizzly cause a certain rancher wanted it gone then when it happened he had no clue who my buddy was and my buddy end up turning him self in cause he had some stress over the whole ordeal. Long story short 5 years without hunting was his penalty. He has now served his 5 year penalty and is a happy hunter again so I would think if caught doin something like shooting a bear in self defence then reporting it will probly cost the hunter some years of hunting if the courts see it that way.

Out of interest what was your buddy fined ??

[Big Grey Wolf]

I carry my 357 magnum All the time on trapline, I shoot my best pattern at 10 yards, if grizz within that range he gets few lead pills. I value my life more than a few surplus grizzly, so does my wife.

[W921]

Originally Posted by sage 13

In reading some of the replys here some are just scared and dislike bears/predators so just shoot them.

I think it's unfair that aboriginals can shoot as many grizzlies as they want but normal people can't.
Why are people so upset that a normal guy shot one. If fish cops,landowner or a aboriginal shot it nobody would care.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Bushrat

We will never know the truth, it could have been shot at 50yds, for all we know. Could have been mistaken for a black bear, who knows.

He could be telling the truth or he could be making stuff up to cover a screw up. The arrow coming out the side of the bears chest leaves a lot of questions. I'd like to see where it entered. Simply not enough information. Bring on the lie detector..lol.

And there is the truth of the matter, we don't know what actually happened, and we never will know for sure.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by W921

I think it's unfair that aboriginals can shoot as many grizzlies as they want but normal people can't.
Why are people so upset that a normal guy shot one. If fish cops,landowner or a aboriginal shot it nobody would care.

I’d like to hunt Grizzlies. I don’t think grip and grin photos on IG for “capitalism” helps that cause. Self defence or not. This is my issue with this whole mess.

I’m also guessing fish and feathers will now have even more pressure to charge someone in similar circumstances. They are generally inclined to tell someone to keep their pie hole shut in these situations to avoid a forced hand.

“Oh be wise. What can I say more?”

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

I’d like to hunt Grizzlies. I don’t think grip and grin photos on IG for “capitalism” helps that cause. Self defence or not. This is my issue with this whole mess.

I’m also guessing fish and feathers will now have even more pressure to charge someone in similar circumstances. They are generally inclined to tell someone to keep their pie hole shut in these situations to avoid a forced hand.

“Oh be wise. What can I say more?”

And that is my issue with posting trophy pictures and using them for advertising, they attract attention that won't help to get the grizzly season reinstated.

[Engels]

Originally Posted by Mulehahn

If the COs find him innocent fine, fine. I will accept it. But I listened to that interview and kept having to rewind it trying to find the "attack!" Can someone please help me because I don't hear it; the story he is sharing, as far as I can tell is:

Grizzly came running into an elk call from 80 yards away, then at 40 yards it slowed to a trot looking for the elk it heard. He draws back, steps around a tree and sees the bear moving parallel to him.at 15 yards "in an effort to cut him off," from what I don't know as he still standing still, but any ways the bear is moving slow enough that he gas time to search and set up on.a shooting lane ahead of the bear and once the bear, moving perpendicular according to his own story, he lets the arrow fly. I am still not sure when the bear closed in from turning at 15 yards away to "cut him off" to the less than 3 that he shot it at but even still where is the attack.

A grizzly came into an elk call and couldn't find the elk.without ever knowing hunter was even there. This actually sounds more like a perfectly executed hunt rather than self defence. And before the keyboard warriors jump in, I have been less than 15 yards from.a grizzly. More than once. Have also been less than a truck length from.a cougar. Everyone walked away.I don't care a bear was killed, I don't care he took pictures with it. I would do the same if I had to kill a bear to save my life. But if you are going to kill a bear for doing nothing more than bear things I do care.

This is my thought as well. I did listen to the full interview and I too was waiting for the part were the grizzly made an aggressive move towards the hunter..... the whole story smelled... At the end of the day, glad the kid made it out okay. Just skeptical on the self defence part of things.

[W921]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

I’d like to hunt Grizzlies. I don’t think grip and grin photos on IG for “capitalism” helps that cause. Self defence or not. This is my issue with this whole mess.

I’m also guessing fish and feathers will now have even more pressure to charge someone in similar circumstances. They are generally inclined to tell someone to keep their pie hole shut in these situations to avoid a forced hand.

“Oh be wise. What can I say more?”

I'm not on Instagram and these other media's so I don't know what any of them including the guy that shot the bear is saying except for what I read here on outdoorsman.
It seems like the normal taxpayer want to be a hunter Albertans lose no matter what.
I put in for our grizzly draw year after year when we had it and never was drawn.
I physically can't hunt anymore but it bothers me that most of the non grizzly hunting opportunities that I used to have are gone now for other generations.
Basically our big game in the south of Calgary region is for outfitters, aboriginals and land owners for the most part. (Sad)

[roper1]

Sheep hunting we were 10 yards from a sow with a yearling cub. We had elevation advantage we were up the trail from her. Absolutely pouring rain, it was neat to see her rear up on her hind legs. She was so close we could see her nose twitching. I had slid the Sako out of the scabbard & slipped off the safety when we saw her coming up the trail, swiping mouthfuls of grass in her face as she walked. I could have shot her all day long, but we weren't scared, she wasn't aggressive, only curious.........and I had no one to impress or any gear to sell.

[heretohunt]

Originally Posted by roper1

Sheep hunting we were 10 yards from a sow with a yearling cub. We had elevation advantage we were up the trail from her. Absolutely pouring rain, it was neat to see her rear up on her hind legs. She was so close we could see her nose twitching. I had slid the Sako out of the scabbard & slipped off the safety when we saw her coming up the trail, swiping mouthfuls of grass in her face as she walked. I could have shot her all day long, but we weren't scared, she wasn't aggressive, only curious.........and I had no one to impress or any gear to sell.

Good story. Not the same.

[DirtShooter]

Originally Posted by heretohunt

Good story. Not the same.

No its an even better story to tell.

[Curtsyneil]

Originally Posted by Ackleyman

Out of interest what was your buddy fined ??

He wasn't fined anything just took his guns and not able to hunt for 5 years.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by heretohunt

Good story. Not the same.

This thread has awesome stories, theories etc bet the grandkids sit wide eyed listening

Sleep tight littlest ones

In all seriousness it will be nice to read the final outcome to this encounter.

[heretohunt]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

This thread has awesome stories, theories etc bet the grandkids sit wide eyed listening

Sleep tight littlest ones

In all seriousness it will be nice to read the final outcome to this encounter.

Yes. Absolutely. I do suspect, if there was charges being laid, we would know about it already.

In the meantime I can tell you confidently if a grizzly was coming at me, but not at a full charge, I would’ve handed an extremely pretty girl my beer, said hold this, and then gave her a big kiss, said something witty and dry. Adjusted my Fedora then scissor kicked the griz in the head making her swoon and all of her friends jealous. However, I would have been super modest about it.