Still think Harpers good for Canada

[Unregistered user]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Were there unauthorized gun confiscations while liberals in power?

I can't think of any.

Harpers response to High River?



"Don't worry about it" doesnt really cut it, does it?

They "Authorized" gun confiscations through C-68. They reclassified previously non restricted to restricted and restricted to prohibited through orders in council, without debate.

[skidderman]

Just the sight of Trudeau makes me want to throw up. Wouldn't trust him with a 10 dollar bill. Seems we have very short memories about what the libs were. A bunch of aristocratic idiots that think they are above the law & our rights. Don't think for one minute they won't put gun registration back in & maybe worse. My vote will be for Harper as long as he is there.

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by rwm1273

You are forgetting the combined tax rates federally and provincially, which can hit over 40% depending on your income and province.

http://www.ey.com/CA/en/Services/Tax...3-Personal-Tax

Just type in your income, and you will see how much combined tax you pay. It is surprising.

I;m more concerned about the hidden tax we pay here.
Its crazy.
I wish Alberta would get rid of those and start taxing us all via flat tax based upon consumption.

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy Badger

I;m more concerned about the hidden tax we pay here.
Its crazy.
I wish Alberta would get rid of those and start taxing us all via flat tax based upon consumption.

streamline the system.

sounds like a traditionally conservative sentiment and a good one at that.

[rwm1273]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

streamline the system.

sounds like a traditionally conservative sentiment and a good one at that.

At least it would be more fair, and based upon what you earn and what you spend. But I could also see some complain that they earn more and therefore pay more, and then end up paying more by spending more. Unless of course you got rid of the GST and PST, but that would assume the flat tax took in enough revenue and there was no need for a sales tax.

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by skidderman

Just the sight of Trudeau makes me want to throw up. Wouldn't trust him with a 10 dollar bill. Seems we have very short memories about what the libs were. A bunch of aristocratic idiots that think they are above the law & our rights. Don't think for one minute they won't put gun registration back in & maybe worse. My vote will be for Harper as long as he is there.

And the sight of him should make any intelligent person feel ill.

There can be no doubt he WILL bring back the long gun registry and add his own touch to it.
There can be no doubt that he will increase the taxes for the mod to lower income brackets.

Like his father, he will do it HIS way. Like his father he will say one thing and do another.

Is anyone fooled by this modern day savior?

What are his credentials?
Has held office before? Has he been a leader before? What does he know about economics, world affairs, domestic issues, or any of the other issues a Country has to deal with?

Fact is he has no experience, has never been a leader of anything, has not been involved in domestic or world affairs in any capacity.

His sole claim to fame is that he worked for the CBC as the host of a couple of low budget miniseries.
The man's an entertainer and a darned poor one at that.

Would any corporation hire a manager who had no training, no experience, no track record?


One has to ask, where does the money come from to pay for his bid for political leadership? It sure isn't coming from his pockets. The CBC doesn't pay that well.

Money talks they say. Make no mistake, there is a lot of old money behind Mr. Trudeau.
He is a puppet he will do what he is told to do. That is the one thing he knows how to do well.

[Unregistered user]

The current U.S. pres had no real work experience unless we count community organizer, whatever that is. He wrote 2 books- about himself, and received a Nobel peace prize for showing up. Trudeau jr as p.m? Doubtful.

[pdog15]

Has Harper been good for Canada? His quest for power at any costs began when he was leader of the opposition in 2005 with his band of newly elected Reformers. During this time and before the 2006 election he was "swayed" by the eastern conservatives and in particular Hugh Segal (then a senator. I believe). Harper and his group allowed two votes to change the Official Languages Act. Worse yet, he and his group where part of an all party yes vote that ensured the third reading of this amendment that ensured it was brought into law via the Governor General just prior to the 2006 election. All of this was done very quietly - so quietly that most people in Western Canada were not even aware of what had happened. What was soooo bad about this amendment? Basically it allows that services in French will be provided on demand and this is huge. It will cost taxpayers billions down the road. Previously services were provided in French "where numbers warrant". So began the blatant and unbridled pandering to QC during the next few years costing millions, if not billions of dollars. So began court challenges for traffic tickets that were not written up in French and costing the taxpayers huge dollars. So began the parade of French immersion schools in Western Canada, and on it goes. Artificial forcing of French on the rest of Canada. All of this was supposed to translate into votes in QC, but we all know how this has worked out. Not so much pandering the last few years but imo, the damage has been done. The likelihood of this amendment ever being reversed is from nil to zero. Harper enabled a happening that even the senior Trudeau (and liberals that followed) was never able to achieve. Imo, this will be a damning part of Harpers legacy. Has all of his spending/bailouts/monetary fiscal policies, etc. since been good for Canada? Time will tell. Was their an alternative to Harper - not so much. Is there likely to be a real alternative by next election - probably not. So on we go - spend, spend, spend - debt and more debt, both personal and country wise.

[Winch101]

Steve's the only Western guy to ascend to the throne in quite
A while......not since Diefenbaker have we seen such a sterling
Personality....

Remember the west gave us Tommy boy and the commies....

I think it's clear now , we are going to be living in a baffed out
Drug hazed , welfare state ,social programmed up the ying yang ,
Eastern Liberal kingdom ..Likely they will gift all of western Canada
To the FN as a land claims settlement ....You will be to busy going to
Pride parades to enjoy retirement ...

Go today to your local Bridge ,before the jumping line ups start.

If your end is near you re to be envied....the party is over ...

Turn out the lights

[JimPS]

[QUOTE=Winch101;2114052]Steve's the only Western guy to ascend to the throne in quite
A while......not since Diefenbaker have we seen such a sterling
Personality....[QUOTE]

The perception a lot of people have is that Steve is a Western guy. He really isn't. It's a carefully crafted image that has been cultivated.

He was born 1n 1959 in Toronto and raised and schooled in Toronto. He didn't graduate public school until 1978 - which would have made him a 19 year old high school student.

He enrolled in the University of Toronto but dropped out after two months. Steve's dad worked for Imperial Oil in Toronto as an accountant. His dad got Steve a job in the mail room in an Imperial Oil office in Edmonton. He moved from Toronto for the job. Apparently, he worked on a dumb terminal sorting mail, and somehow got recognized as a computer "expert" in the day.

He eventually got a Bachelor's degree and his Masters Degree from the same university - University of Calgary.

The guy really didn't have much of an employment history or a very diversified post secondary education. Attended one university to get an undergrad and a grad degree. A lot of people also assume he's an economist with a Doctor of Philosophy PhD - he isn't.

His eastern Canadian family history skeletons are also sort of interesting and not well publicized either.

Something that doesn't really fit with his carefully crafted persona - maybe?

There's some interesting reading out there if you do some research.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/comme...article787903/

http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?topic=5338.0

[Wild&Free]

Glad you brought that up JimSP. Also, wasn't his first trip to a foreign country done as PM. Such a worldly leader with experience working with people of different culture and values.

[rugatika]

Wow. For such an uneducated, poorly travelled moron he sure is doing an awesome job running Canada.

Then you look at the USA with the worlds smartest man (at least so we're told by his minions) running the show who has lived in all sorts of countries and experienced lots of cultures. How's he doing?

I guess you don't need to go to Harvard or travel to Indonesia, Pakistan and France to run a country well. Who would have ever guessed it? No wonder we're gonna wind up with another Trudeau running this place...all people care about are nice hair and has he been to France.

[JimPS]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Wow. For such an uneducated, poorly travelled moron he sure is doing an awesome job running Canada.

Didn't say he was an uneducated poorly traveled moron.

Harper's image has been carefully crafted by his 1500 or so taxpayer paid "public relations specialists".

A lot of people really think he's a "Western Canada Guy".

Harper the economist, has no PhD, and has never had a career as an economist.

Would a guy like Mark Carney consider Stephen Harper an economist?

John Deifenbaker was born in Ontario but moved to the Northwest Territories before Saskatchewan became a province - so he's a Westerner.

So is Joe Clark.

Stephen Harper is not.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by JimPS

Didn't say he was an uneducated poorly traveled moron.

Harper's image has been carefully crafted by his 1500 or so taxpayer paid "public relations specialists".

A lot of people really think he's a "Western Canada Guy".

Harper the economist, has no PhD, and has never had a career as an economist.

Would a guy like Mark Carney consider Stephen Harper an economist?

John Deifenbaker was born in Ontario but moved to the Northwest Territories before Saskatchewan became a province - so he's a Westerner.

So is Joe Clark.

Stephen Harper is not.

No PHD!!!! OMG!!! Never had a career as an economist!!!! Not a westerner!!! How does he tie his shoes?

Whatever. I just gave him a hundred bucks.

[skidderman]

If we ever went to a serious war I can see Trudeau's reaction. Lets go smoke some weed until our visions give us a clear answer. If that's what you trust in then may God help us!!!

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Wow. For such an uneducated, poorly travelled moron he sure is doing an awesome job running Canada.

Then you look at the USA with the worlds smartest man (at least so we're told by his minions) running the show who has lived in all sorts of countries and experienced lots of cultures. How's he doing?

I guess you don't need to go to Harvard or travel to Indonesia, Pakistan and France to run a country well. Who would have ever guessed it? No wonder we're gonna wind up with another Trudeau running this place...all people care about are nice hair and has he been to France.

http://www.americasquarterly.org/can...l-role-decline

http://rabble.ca/columnists/2013/09/...d-war-politics

http://uranowski.wordpress.com/2010/...ve-government/

Such a worldly leader doing such a wonderful job.

[Winch101]

I read all three of those links ...I agree with every international policy
The Tories have come up with ...Lefty blogs are. Dime a dozen ..
Our social policies are lagging behind blah blah .....get a real job
You commie SOB ....

And any body from Quebec ,whose got a beef .....join the bloc
Get out there on your own.

Steve's A-1 in my books.....

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

http://www.americasquarterly.org/can...l-role-decline

http://rabble.ca/columnists/2013/09/...d-war-politics

http://uranowski.wordpress.com/2010/...ve-government/

Such a worldly leader doing such a wonderful job.

First article by a whiny professor who was a former delegate from Quebec. Complaining that Canada isn't suckholing to the UN anymore under Harper. HA! What else would you expect from him. And good on Harper for doing everything that the mooch was whining about. I wish Harper would get us out of the UN completely. It's an embarrassment.

Second article, (and I admit I didn't have the stomach to read the whole thing), is another socialist whining that Harper was recommending G20 governments cut spending and shrink government. What? A conservative recommending smaller government, and some liberal poopy pants complaining about it on a far left website. Again...HA!!

Third article....also tough on the stomach. Another staunch liberal complaining about Harper siding with Israel, stomping on NGO's, some laughable comment about trying to derail Obama's campaign??? and of course extolling the virtues of every Liberal that was ever in office when it came to foreign policy and sliding in a sideways backhand that Mulroney was acceptable. Double HA!

All three of these liberal/Liberal (and liberal might be a too far right term for them) clowns are essentially stating the same thing. That Canada under Stephen Harper is no longer a team player, and is doing what it feels is good for the interests of Canada instead of nodding along with the UN like we always have.

Great articles indeed. Just makes me like Harper even more. It's good to know we finally have an international LEADER that doesn't just do what he's told by some tin pot dictator running the UN. Refreshing to say the least.

[TBD]

Originally Posted by rugatika

First article by a whiny professor who was a former delegate from Quebec. Complaining that Canada isn't suckholing to the UN anymore under Harper. HA! What else would you expect from him. And good on Harper for doing everything that the mooch was whining about. I wish Harper would get us out of the UN completely. It's an embarrassment.

Second article, (and I admit I didn't have the stomach to read the whole thing), is another socialist whining that Harper was recommending G20 governments cut spending and shrink government. What? A conservative recommending smaller government, and some liberal poopy pants complaining about it on a far left website. Again...HA!!

Third article....also tough on the stomach. Another staunch liberal complaining about Harper siding with Israel, stomping on NGO's, some laughable comment about trying to derail Obama's campaign??? and of course extolling the virtues of every Liberal that was ever in office when it came to foreign policy and sliding in a sideways backhand that Mulroney was acceptable. Double HA!

All three of these liberal/Liberal (and liberal might be a too far right term for them) clowns are essentially stating the same thing. That Canada under Stephen Harper is no longer a team player, and is doing what it feels is good for the interests of Canada instead of nodding along with the UN like we always have.

Great articles indeed. Just makes me like Harper even more. It's good to know we finally have an international LEADER that doesn't just do what he's told by some tin pot dictator running the UN. Refreshing to say the least.

x2

The UN has been taken over by 3rd world dictators and globalists who'd like nothing better than to usher in the new world order !

They scare the frick outta me - Canada should focus on North America (USA - Arctic) and our pacific trading partners ....

Harper has my support to continue and marginalize Involvement with the UN ....


TBD


PS .... What year was it that Syria held the human rights chair ? (recently I believe) our involvement with this farce needs to END.

PPS .... and the forum the UN provided so Arafat could blackmail the western world how many lives were wasted supporting this idiot ?

[Wild&Free]

Rugatika, if you firmly believe that a politician doesn't have someone pulling his strings then by all means keep voting for Harper. The articles also pointed out the past failures of similar policies that Harper has recommended and implemented. I guess history is a lesson that some don't learn from.

I'm not saying there's a better alternative, beyond a house full of independents forming a coalition government, but he's not the best. Despite what his minions are telling you.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

Rugatika, if you firmly believe that a politician doesn't have someone pulling his strings then by all means keep voting for Harper. The articles also pointed out the past failures of similar policies that Harper has recommended and implemented. I guess history is a lesson that some don't learn from.

I'm not saying there's a better alternative, beyond a house full of independents forming a coalition government, but he's not the best. Despite what his minions are telling you.

A politician has millions of people pulling his strings. That doesn't change for any politician. Harper at least appears to be containing his string pullers to Canada. Past failures...you mean a contraction of gov't spending leading to a depression? Myth. Read Amity Schlaes "Forgotten Man". Indeed, history is a lesson that some don't learn. Couldn't agree with you more.

And I am not foolish enough to think that Harper is the "best". He's a poor speaker, has beady eyes, poor hair, isn't in top shape, is a fuddy duddy, and lacks charisma to name some of his shortcomings. Some characteristics sadly more important than other characteristics to many Canadian voters. Nevertheless, he is the "best" of a bad bunch, and has been doing a great job, in the best interests of Canada instead of his paper bag friends, and I expect him to continue to do so and even better.

[Wild&Free]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle4246898/

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/edito...editorial.html

http://www.canadianprogressiveworld....prison-project

Some more interesting reading.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle4246898/

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/edito...editorial.html

http://www.canadianprogressiveworld....prison-project

Some more interesting reading.

Really? Nothing from "Pravda" or "Fightback" or "Daily Worker"? Didn't even have to click on those links to read more propaganda.

When you have every lefty opening their piehole about what a crappy job Harper is doing, that right there is enough to let you know he's doing a good job. Especially when they are jabbering about tough on crime policies.

Every single article you have put up here, I wish I would have posted. They all put Harper in a better and better light.

I couldn't resist. I had to read those articles. Awesome. Pretty much every left wing talking point hit on. Put some more of them up. You're doing the Lords work I tell ya.

[Wild&Free]

Sigh, dismiss the negative because you believe it is just propaganda. With crime rates going down do you think it's a financially sound use of government spending to build new prison that most likely won't be filled? Is that a good conservative approach to fiscal responsibility? Prisons are not the field of dreams. If you build them, they won't come.

Who am I kidding, you give me the impression that you gather the family around the TV to watch the Economic Action plan ads on TV.

[leo]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

Sigh, dismiss the negative because you believe it is just propaganda. With crime rates going down do you think it's a financially sound use of government spending to build new prison that most likely won't be filled? Is that a good conservative approach to fiscal responsibility? Prisons are not the field of dreams. If you build them, they won't come.

Who am I kidding, you give me the impression that you gather the family around the TV to watch the Economic Action plan ads on TV.

Let me give you my interpretation if you will so accomidate it. Having some experience with the construction of the ENRC I can tell you, it directly employed from of 500--800 people daily for 5 years, indirectly I would fathom it is in the tens of thousands. Now it is in my opinion a neccessary waste of taxpayers dollars due to the fact Canada's "justice system" has eveolved into a "legal system". this is what happens in a so called civilized society that tries its darndest to get a rotten apple it's shine back. This has been going on in Canada for most of my life and getting worse. Liberal/PCP, doesn't matter. the mind set of the majority of voters have dictated that this is how we behave. If you have a solution to deter repeat offenders and prevent crime, and since no one else has been able to do this , run for office, you've got my vote.

[rwm1273]

Originally Posted by rugatika

...all people care about are nice hair and has he been to France.

I've been to France, and I still have a full head of hair. Where does one sign up to be leader?

[Bolete]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Were there unauthorized gun confiscations while liberals in power?

I can't think of any.

The liberals prohibited roughly 40% of handguns, and moved the vast majority of black rifles from restricted to prohibited - then refuse to issue an ATT for them. Yes you still have them, but you can't shoot them, or even pass them down to your children. Paul Martin ran on the promise to ban all handguns, and Trudeau has promised to ban semi-automatic rifles.

Don't forget that under C-68, firearm ownership became illegal. Your PAL grants you a temporary exemption from that law. When the license expired, you are in violation of federal law, and may be imprisoned for up to 10 years.

In the pre C-68 days, a FAC was required only to acquire firearms, not to possess.

[connexion123]

Originally Posted by Bolete

The liberals prohibited roughly 40% of handguns, and moved the vast majority of black rifles from restricted to prohibited - then refuse to issue an ATT for them. Yes you still have them, but you can't shoot them, or even pass them down to your children. Paul Martin ran on the promise to ban all handguns, and Trudeau has promised to ban semi-automatic rifles.

Don't forget that under C-68, firearm ownership became illegal. Your PAL grants you a temporary exemption from that law. When the license expired, you are in violation of federal law, and may be imprisoned for up to 10 years.

In the pre C-68 days, a FAC was required only to acquire firearms, not to possess.

Exactly. Beeguy how can you live in Canada, be a firearms owner, and make such an uninformed comment, while seeming to have the authority on politics?

Seriously. I'm 31, so relatively young, and know full well of this. So please tell me you're 18 and just been indoctrinated by liberal professors.

The LIBERALS and RED TORIES stole rightfully owned property and made criminals of us all.

I suggest ANY firearm owner educate himself. CPC means you keep your guns. Anyone else or the choice of not voting means you care not for your fellow firearms owners or yourself.

You are my enemy. Just sell your guns, and go be indoctrinated.

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by leo

Let me give you my interpretation if you will so accomidate it. Having some experience with the construction of the ENRC I can tell you, it directly employed from of 500--800 people daily for 5 years, indirectly I would fathom it is in the tens of thousands. Now it is in my opinion a neccessary waste of taxpayers dollars due to the fact Canada's "justice system" has eveolved into a "legal system". this is what happens in a so called civilized society that tries its darndest to get a rotten apple it's shine back. This has been going on in Canada for most of my life and getting worse. Liberal/PCP, doesn't matter. the mind set of the majority of voters have dictated that this is how we behave. If you have a solution to deter repeat offenders and prevent crime, and since no one else has been able to do this , run for office, you've got my vote.

Well, one day I would like to run for office. Though I'd rather it was BDB, he's smarter and more eloquent then I. Kind of one of the reason I post what I post at times. To be a democratically elected official that, for me, is effective one must know who his constituents may be. Since I live here, and this is one of the larger Alberta focused forums I found, I'm trying to learn about the peoples wants and needs here. Running into some opposition in that, as I have a tendency to be nonconformist and enjoy playing devil's advocate on many issues (prepping for opposition seats).
I firmly believe however that "the system is not broken, it was built this way" and trying to bring information forth that highlights some of these issues has met with a fair bit of resistance. Maybe now isn't the right time for change, but if not now in the state that global affairs are in, then when?

Also, I wish to sincerely thank you for your endorsement. That means a lot to me.

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by connexion123

Exactly. Beeguy how can you live in Canada, be a firearms owner, and make such an uninformed comment, while seeming to have the authority on politics?

Seriously. I'm 31, so relatively young, and know full well of this. So please tell me you're 18 and just been indoctrinated by liberal professors.

The LIBERALS and RED TORIES stole rightfully owned property and made criminals of us all.

I suggest ANY firearm owner educate himself. CPC means you keep your guns. Anyone else or the choice of not voting means you care not for your fellow firearms owners or yourself.

You are my enemy. Just sell your guns, and go be indoctrinated.

You must be relatively young to get so hot under the collar.

Under both provincial and federal conservative leadership we have seen doors kicked in and firearms seized without any apparent authority, and quite likely illegally. TBD.

The response from the PMO???

Little more than, "Don't worry about it."

My point was that neither the cons nor the libs want civilians to own firearms.

They will only say they do in order to get your vote.

If you think Harper is ok with you having firearms for any purpose, you've been thoroughly suckered.

If you think I'm your enemy, you should choose your battles a little more carefully.