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Shocker. I'm not left wing. Just a human and a conservative, have never voted otherwise. And unlike the righty tighty with your all or nothing view point...at no point did I mention anything about Albertans just you, but see again that's just your perception leading you off into a fit which the righty tighty love to view things from.
If you don't think like us you're against us, rub the one sidedness out of your eyes and relax that nerve of yours I hit. Take off your my way or the highway glasses and enjoy the discourse. Don't be so touchy and live the freedom you have because of this wonderful country and all it offers you, including the hate The Trumpeters have, and you seem to be exhibiting . But hey, if Donald wins I'll help you pack your bags if you'd like. I'm sure they'll have plenty of room.
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The best part about this board is they don't realize they push people away from the conservative parties. This board and Stephen Harper made me a socialist and I voted nothing beside conservative up until the federal election last fall.
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The best part about this board is they don't realize they push people away from the conservative parties. This board and Stephen Harper made me a socialist and I voted nothing beside conservative up until the federal election last fall.
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right... someone made you a socialist. you either believe in it or you don't there really isn't a lot of flip flop there.
if a little minded person is all it takes to shape your feeble opinion of the world you shouldn't be voting. why do you care what some goof ball thinks?
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The best part about this board is they don't realize they push people away from the conservative parties. This board and Stephen Harper made me a socialist and I voted nothing beside conservative up until the federal election last fall.
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If your credibility wasnt a fart in the wind before RAAB, it sure is now. You are trolling at an interesting elevation to state that this board changed your political alignment. Not enough attention at home these days?
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03-15-2016, 03:33 PM
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Those hats are awesome lol. They pretty much sum up his campaign...
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There was a picture that said the truth is in the details. Showed Trumps hats made in China, then showed Sanders hats made in America.
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03-15-2016, 03:34 PM
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right... someone made you a socialist. you either believe in it or you don't there really isn't a lot of flip flop there.
if a little minded person is all it takes to shape your feeble opinion of the world you shouldn't be voting. why do you care what some goof ball thinks?
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Fully agree, with a poor grasp of what is important in ones life, they do not have the skills to vote. Raab for everyone that matters, please hold back your vote.
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03-15-2016, 03:38 PM
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There was a picture that said the truth is in the details. Showed Trumps hats made in China, then showed Sanders hats made in America.
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I think both Sanders and Trump are horrible, horrible choices.
Mea Culpa! (That means I got suckered in before fact checking, something I wish others would do.)
Trump and Sanders BOTH had their hats made in America. I'm sorry for the prior picture, I'll see if I can delete it.
http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-hat-china/
EDIT: I was able to delete the picture. Let's stick to facts if we can, and admit if we are wrong.
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03-15-2016, 03:44 PM
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right... someone made you a socialist. you either believe in it or you don't there really isn't a lot of flip flop there.
if a little minded person is all it takes to shape your feeble opinion of the world you shouldn't be voting. why do you care what some goof ball thinks?
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No, you can have a mix. I believe in universal healthcare, but I'm not pro choice . I believe in balanced budgets, but not giving tax breaks to the rich and running deficits which seems like what the conservative parties like to do. I believe in OAS and CPP to help support our elderly but I don't think the RCMP should have the right to outlaw different firearms.
The problem with supporting the same party as some of the individuals on this board is it is clear that they want to see universal healthcare gone as well as every other social program. These are what the card carrying members want so how can I as a centrist voter chose to support that party?
Edit: Heck, I'm at the point where I'd consider joining the Liberal Party and campaigning for them just to ensure the WRP doesn't get elected.
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No, you can have a mix. I believe in universal healthcare, but I'm not pro choice . I believe in balanced budgets, but not giving tax breaks to the rich and running deficits which seems like what the conservative parties like to do. I believe in OAS and CPP to help support our elderly but I don't think the RCMP should have the right to outlaw different firearms.
The problem with supporting the same party as some of the individuals on this board is it is clear that they want to see universal healthcare gone as well as every other social program. These are what the card carrying members want so how can I as a centrist voter chose to support that party?
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you're confused. you aren't a socialist because of party platforms.
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03-15-2016, 03:51 PM
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No, you can have a mix. I believe in universal healthcare, but I'm not pro choice . I believe in balanced budgets, but not giving tax breaks to the rich and running deficits which seems like what the conservative parties like to do. I believe in OAS and CPP to help support our elderly but I don't think the RCMP should have the right to outlaw different firearms.
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Sounds like what Trump believes in and what he says at all his rallies.
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03-15-2016, 03:52 PM
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you're confused. you aren't a socialist because of party platforms.
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Apparently I am because I support universal healthcare... democratic socialist might be a better word for it.
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03-15-2016, 03:53 PM
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Apparently I am because I support universal healthcare... democratic socialist might be a better word for it.
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well by that definition all the parties in canada that can stand for themselves are the socialist party
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03-15-2016, 03:54 PM
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Sounds like what Trump believes in and what he says at all his rallies.
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Trump will bring in universal healthcare?
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03-15-2016, 03:59 PM
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well by that definition all the parties in canada that can stand for themselves are the socialist party
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I'm not going to get into it again and get the thread shut down. I will say you should look at who one of Stephen Harper's main contributors were and what organization he was President of before joining the Canadian Alliance. Also read his firewall letter. If you truly believe every party in Canada wants universal healthcare please look at whos supporting them and at what the card carrying members say.
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Changing subjects the the Canadian system I believe one of our issues here is having a system that forces individuals to vote for a party instead of the individuals themselves that will be running the country.
Every person should be voting for their representative and what that representative stands for not which party or national leader they prefer yet many voters don't even know their MP's stances or care to and choose to vote for them simply because of their party affiliation. A great example of this is how my own MP for St. Albert Brent Rathgeber lost his re-election because of the overwhelming Conservative support hoping to overcome the Liberals on the national scale. That doesn't mean that Michael Cooper is actually a better candidate then Brent Rathgeber and if their parties were reversed I am sure the results would also have been reversed as well. It is a flaw in the system that forces good candidates to be unable to compete.
Both the Canadian and US political systems need more independents to run and need to create political systems that better allow those independents to run and to succeed. Until then we will continue our cycle of flip flopping between parties every couple elections and having a divided house of commons that rarely gets things done because they refuse to step on their parties toes even if it is what their constituents would prefer them to do.
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03-15-2016, 04:19 PM
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Sounds like what Trump believes in and what he says at all his rallies.
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Trump never once mentioned seniors yesterday. He spent some time talking about a wall or something though.
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03-15-2016, 04:24 PM
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well by that definition all the parties in canada that can stand for themselves are the socialist party
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Canada is very socialist in nature. It is right up there as one of the most socialist countries in the world and that is what makes it so hilarious and somewhat frightening that so many Canadians don't even realize this and have such great fears of socialism...
Minimum wages
Healthcare
Subsidized tuition
Welfare
EI
CPP
Labour Unions
And more are all socialist programs/ideas. They are implemented in a democratic way though and socialism when used in democratic ways such as with ourselves here in Canada, Denmark, Sweden, Germany, UK, Australia etc and somewhat in the USA does work.
Socialism as a mask to hide corruption and state or dictator control as seen in the old USSR, China, central america etc does not work though. When you use social programs to take control of a people and then hold them under your will of course it is going to be viewed as a bad thing...
People need to get over their false fears of the word socialism and come to understand that it is a very broad word and that many of its views are actually good but they just aren't always used for good... Like everything socialism can be used improperly, just like capitalism nearly destroyed the USA and the world's economy...
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The tragic story of Chris Christie. He can't go home cause there is a mob waiting to lynch him. He's hanging onto trump like Chester to Spike. I sense a suicide coming out of this one.
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Kasich is pro-TPP, pro common core - two examples of things that are part of the globalist agenda but will be bad for America.
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I'm thinking education funding being turned onto the states without a curriculum as a guide won't provide for a nation who will need plenty of skilled laboor to pull off the plan, other than all those really low paying China jobs.
The next question will be, which comes first, jobs or inflation?
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03-15-2016, 05:38 PM
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*Wow. I always believed people like this existed but never had proof until I joined this forum.
*I was better off thinking such views and contempt for human civilization were just isolated to the southern portions of the U.S where ignorance and bigotry where continuously past on from generations of mating cousins and siblings.
*How was it formed? Where did it come from? Was grade 12 social studies (in Alberta) that difficult for you,
* hate and any other person that is defined outside their Judeo Christian razor thin window of acceptance.
*Not your god, "their" god or anyone else's god would ever let that happen. For F-Sakes wake up!
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*Did your dad share your beliefs too? I really want to know.
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including the hate The Trumpeters have, and you seem to be exhibiting .
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Who exactly is exhibiting the hate here?
I don't live life thinking everybody should be forced to accept each other at gun point by mommy government.
I have no opinion if Trump is a bigoted racist as you describe. I do have that opinion of you, substantiated by your statements in this thread, quoted above.
I find it amusing how loudly this pot is calling the kettle black.
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Who exactly is exhibiting the hate here?
I don't live life thinking everybody should be forced to accept each other at gun point by mommy government.
I have no opinion if Trump is a bigoted racist as you describe. I do have that opinion of you, substantiated by your statements in this thread, quoted above.
I find it amusing how loudly this pot is calling the kettle black.
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The dad thing is real, I really want to know why you want to exclude others. Is it from the beliefs that were instilled? It is hate, hate for racists and bigoted snags, but also it's genuine concern. It comes from wanting to make sure, with the exception of Trump supporters, that my children don't end up exclusionary. You know hating the LGBTQ and the unicorn something or other you were babbling about. Anyway we've wasted these peoples' time. Feel free to PM me for the rest of this conversation.
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The dad thing is real, I really want to know why you want to exclude others. Is it from the beliefs that were instilled? It isn't hate, it's genuine concern. It comes from wanting to make sure, with the exception of Trump supporters, that my children don't end up exclusionary. You know hating the LGBTQ and the unicorn something or other you were babbling about. Anyway we've wasted these peoples' time. Feel free to PM me for the rest of this conversation.
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Ahh, so when you meet somebody that has a different opinion then you, your stereotype is to assume their parents must have messed them up? Additionally, you are deeply concerned that your children might have different opinions than you?
Yes... Yes... looking back at different posts its definitely me that's exclusionary and full of hatred. [/sarc]
Keep going, don't give up, you're doing great.
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Ahh, so when you meet somebody that has a different opinion then you, your stereotype is to assume their parents must have messed them up? Additionally, you are deeply concerned that your children might have different opinions than you?
Yes... Yes... looking back at different posts its definitely me that's exclusionary and full of hatred. [/sarc]
Keep going, don't give up, you're doing great.
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NOT different opinions than mine, no. Just racists, mosgynists, bigots and homophobes.
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NOT different opinions then mine, no. Just racists, mosgynists, bigots and homophobes.
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Here's a question I have been wondering about, nothing implied, just a question. How do you think the term racist was used 20 years ago, compared to today?
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Here's a question I have been wondering about, nothing implied, just a question. How do you think the term racist was used 20 years ago, compared to today?
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I can answer that ...be careful today , I think it's pretty wide spread and dangerous
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Trump wins Florida and Rubio suspends his campaign.
Too bad Rubio didn't do as good with his speeches as he did when suspending his campaign...
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Oh Ben Carson you dolt lol.
Trump, illegally buying his endorsements and way to the presidential nomination one person at a time...
Gotta love Carson coming out and saying he would have preferred to support a different candidate and that Trump illegally offered him an advisory position if he gets elected lol...
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...tion-by-trump/
Edit: And more Trump flip floppery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBAF9BNxcwI
Its a daily event if you pay attention to all the crap that comes out of this mans mouth...
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Oh Ben Carson you dolt lol.
Trump, illegally buying his endorsements and way to the presidential nomination one person at a time...
Gotta love Carson coming out and saying he would have preferred to support a different candidate and that Trump illegally offered him an advisory position if he gets elected lol...
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...tion-by-trump/
Edit: And more Trump flip floppery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBAF9BNxcwI
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trump is doing the mafioso dance, threatening those that don't tow the line with his brand of thuggery. He's padded everyone's pockets, and is waving the knife looking for anyone who turns their back on him. Palin and Christie are burnt out puppets.
I listened to a Howard Stern show where he had a wonderfully deep condemnation of Sarah Palin. When the conversation turned to trump, Howard side stepped the issue declaring trump would never run. Where are you Howard, has trump explained how he'd take you down, like so many that fear for their careers? Pretty sure trumps appointed legal team will make Buffets and Gate wealth look scant.
Speaking of which, if you think trumps business successes qualify him as an intelligent source, wouldn't America be much better off to listen to Buffet and Gates? Suddenly, he's not such a big man.
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I was hoping Sanders would make a run but after tonight his chances are looking very slim. He has been holding his own in most of the northern states but not winning any of them strong enough to overcome Hillary's dominance in the SE.
Trump cleaning house tonight again except for Ohio backing Kasich as expected, probably too little too late for him though.
Hillary vs Trump... At least the US will have another chance to right the ship again 4 more years from now...
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Well, this thread started off pretty good, and I was hopeful, but figure we should be seeing a lockdown in 3....2........
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I know Trump has some pretty rough edges. Problem is Hillary is so smooth it's scary. I would think she will do just as much damage as Trump but people won't feel it until the knife is all the way in. I would not know how to vote if I was down there.
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Trump will wipe the floor with Hillary
Once he's done Chritie will put her and her serial rapist husband away for the rest of their lives.
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Some pretty heated debate here, I tend to side with the Trump supports tho, all the "he'll mess it up" talk is kinda funny considering how messed up it is from the existing status quo. But just for a little elucidation:
Socialism: "(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism."
Capitalism: "an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state."
You choose which you think would be better...
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Race Card: "exploit the specified issue or idea mentioned, especially for political advantage. "he resisted the temptation to play the race card""
to those of you who do use it, please stop calling someone who is concerned about their own country or voices an opinion a "racist, bigot, homophobe,... etc..."
That is just classical communist social technology, to nullify by using the "race card" see above definition...
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