If Alberta was her own Country........

[Rocky7]

Originally Posted by GustavMahler

I'm not sure but I think you may think that Alberta is socialist, like Rockys OUR OIL mantra.

For someone with precious little knowledge of the history of this Province or the history of The North-West or the culture of Alberta, you sure have a lot of opinions. I have noticed that many liberals will sneer at what they can't comprehend in order to fill in the numerous gaps in their knowledge and comprehension. It doesn't work so well these days. Not like it used to.

What is "OUR OIL" mantra, exactly? It's in the Constitution. The country might be dysfunctional, but that does not entitle you or anyone else to ignore the Constitution where it doesn't suit your ideology. Progressives are funny that way. If it's about homo-sexuals or religion, they're all huffy and pumping up the Constitution beyond all recognition but when in comes to inland natural resources, they are stricken will illiteracy and a hearing problem.

You may not share Albertan values, but don't assume we're stupid.

[dantonsen]

alberta kinda needs the rest of canada, where do you think all the growth in alberta has come from? People moving here to fill jobs not filled by albertans, building houses, raising families, starting businesses and buying goods etc.

For all the despise albertans have towards easterners etc they sure do rely on their willingness to come out here and work to build alberta.


And who are we kidding... Oil companys own alberta, it's their country as long as the people in power here continue to bend over and take it,lol,

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by dantonsen

alberta kinda needs the rest of canada, where do you think all the growth in alberta has come from? People moving here to fill jobs not filled by albertans, building houses, raising families, starting businesses and buying goods etc.

For all the despise albertans have towards easterners etc they sure do rely on their willingness to come out here and work to build alberta.


And who are we kidding... Oil companys own alberta, it's their country as long as the people in power here continue to bend over and take it,lol,

Good one. Put sarc off when you're done though. Some people might think you're serious.

[Gust]

Originally Posted by dantonsen

alberta kinda needs the rest of canada, where do you think all the growth in alberta has come from? People moving here to fill jobs not filled by albertans, building houses, raising families, starting businesses and buying goods etc.

For all the despise albertans have towards easterners etc they sure do rely on their willingness to come out here and work to build alberta.


And who are we kidding... Oil companys own alberta, it's their country as long as the people in power here continue to bend over and take it,lol,

Somehow rocky cant see this, the who owns the oil part, he keeps thinking it is a collective of ownership, its his because he lives here now. It is a few alberta oil companies oil plus a few multinationals but not his any more than its canadas.

[Smokey]

Originally Posted by greylynx

Not enough true Albertans living here any longer.

The province has been demographically diluted and is on a road to the status quo numb liberal mind.

Grab what you can while you can is the current atitude and there is going to be a price to pay for that.

Whats a true Albertan anyway? Chance are your the minority on this board. Us Saskewanites and Newfies rule Alberta now...

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by GustavMahler

but not his any more than its canadas.

Don't the provinces own the natural resources? section 109 of the BNA act gives sole jurisdiction over lands and mines and minerals (and all sums due or payable for those lands, and minerals) to the four original provinces, and the same rights were extended to Alberta and Saskatchewan when they joined.

[silver]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Don't the provinces own the natural resources? section 109 of the BNA act gives sole jurisdiction over lands and mines and minerals (and all sums due or payable for those lands, and minerals) to the four original provinces, and the same rights were extended to Alberta and Saskatchewan when they joined.

I agree, the minerals are owned by the people, the oil companies buy the mineral rights from the province. And yes, I have been around the oil patch a while, I was put out of work by the NEP and lost a lot in the aftermath and have a special spot in my heart for people named Trudeau, Chretien, & Martin

[Rocky7]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Don't the provinces own the natural resources? section 109 of the BNA act gives sole jurisdiction over lands and mines and minerals (and all sums due or payable for those lands, and minerals) to the four original provinces, and the same rights were extended to Alberta and Saskatchewan when they joined.

He doesn't like that part of the Constitution.

He, and a lot of self-centered easterners, think Alberta's oil should be "shared" with the ROC like Ontario shared it's gold and nickel and platinum with Alberta over the years and the way Quebec shared its hydro power with us....... wait a minute ............I forgot - it's just the black liquidy resource that get "shared". All others belong to the Provinces where they are located and they get to keep all of it. Silly me. It's in the Special Constitution.

[Gust]

Originally Posted by Rocky7

He doesn't like that part of the Constitution.

He, and a lot of self-centered easterners, think Alberta's oil should be "shared" with the ROC like Ontario shared it's gold and nickel and platinum with Alberta over the years and the way Quebec shared its hydro power with us....... wait a minute ............I forgot - it's just the black resources that get "shared". All others belong to the Provinces where they are located and they get to keep all of it. Silly me. It's in the Special Constitution.

I have been an albertan since I was 8, and you? As for sharing the oil with the rest of canada I didnt say anything of the kind, it just amazes me that you keep staking a claim to that which you have never toiled for but you keep claiming.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by GustavMahler

I have been an albertan since I was 8, and you? As for sharing the oil with the rest of canada I didnt say anything of the kind, it just amazes me that you keep staking a claim to that which you have never toiled for but you keep claiming.

uhhh...yah you did GM, go back a few posts and see who you said the oil belonged to, rather than your dreaded "big oil".......

[Rocky7]

Originally Posted by GustavMahler

I have been an albertan since I was 8, and you?

Think about what you said and see if you can begin to understand why Progressives gave us Eugenics.

[TheKi]

if you don't like oil then don't buy it its a simple as that. stop complaining because there's nothing you can do, we have a supply we have a demand.That computer your using to complain about oil is made of oil.

[Iskra]

There is no link but apparently article from the Calgary Herald. That may be applied to other provinces and the conclusion of the article answers OP question.

This is the typical Alberta view on our relationship with the ROC (rest of Canada), excluding B..C. and Saskatchewan of course.

Fascinating article by Lisa Corbella of the Calgary Herald.

Something has to give!!

Quebec and the Fairy Godmother

Today, let's have some fun and play Fairy Godmother to Quebec . Let's grant the province the wish it articulated in Copenhagen . Wave the magic wand and poof, wish granted. Shut down Alberta 's oilsands, except, since it's Quebec making the wish, we have to call it tarsands, even though it's not tar they use to run their Bombardier planes, trains and Skidoos.

Ah, at last! The blight on Canada 's reputation shut down. All those dastardly workers from across Canada living in Fort McMurray, Calgary and Edmonton out of jobs, including those waitresses, truck drivers, nurses, teachers, doctors, pilots, engineers etc. They can all go on Employment insurance like Ontario autoworkers and Quebec parts makers!

Closing down Alberta 's oil industry would immediately stop the production of 1.8 million barrels of oil a day. Supply and demand being what it is, oil prices will go up and therefore the cost at the pump will go up, too, increasing the cost of everything else.

But lost jobs in Alberta and across the country along with higher gas prices are a small price to pay to save the world and not "embarrass" Quebecers on the world stage. Not to worry though, Saudi Arabia, Libya and Nigeria can come to the rescue. You know, the guys who pump money into al-Qaida and help Osama bin Laden target those Van Doos fighting in Afghanistan . Bloody oil is so much nicer than dirty tarsands oil.

Shutting down the oilsands will reduce Canada 's greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions by 38.4 Mt (megatonnes). Hooray! It's so fun to be a Fairy Godmother! While that sounds like a lot, Canada only produces two per cent of the world's man-made GHGs and the oilsands only produce five per cent of Canada 's total emissions or 0.1 per cent of the world's emissions. By comparison, the U.S. produces 20.2 per cent of the world's GHG emissions, 27 per cent of which comes from coal-fired electricity.

The 530-square-kilometre piece of land currently disturbed by the oilsands (which is smaller than the John F. Kennedy Space Center at Cape Canaveral , Fla. at 570 square kilometres) must be reclaimed by law and will return to Alberta 's 381,000 square kilometres of boreal forest, a huge carbon sink..

Quebec , of course, has clean hydro power, but more than 13,000 square kilometres were drowned for the James Bay hydroelectric project, permanently removing that forest from acting as a carbon sink.

But Fairy Godmother is digressing all over the place. While the oilsands only produce five per cent of Canada 's GHGs, it contributes much more to Canada 's economy. After all, oil and gas make up one-quarter of the value on the TSX alone. Alberta is also the largest net contributor per capita by far to Confederation and there are only two more -- B.C. and Ontario .

Quebec hasn't made a net contribution to the rest of Canada for a very long time. This is not to be critical (after all, Fairy Godmothers never criticize), it's just a fact. In 2009, Albertans paid $40.46 billion in income, corporate and other taxes to the federal government and received back just $19.35 billion in services and goods from
the feds. That means the rest of Canada got $21.1 billion from Albertans or $5,742 for each and every Alberta man, woman and child. In 2007 (the last year national figures are available), Alberta sent a net contribution of $19.49 billion to the ROC or $5,553 per Albertan -- more than three times what every Ontarian contributes at $1,757. Quebecers, on the other hand, each received $627 net or a total of $8 billion, money which was designed to help "equalize" social programs across the country.

Except, that's not what is happening. Quebec has more generous social programs like (nearly) free university tuition (paid for mostly by Albertans) and cheap provincial day care (paid for mostly by Albertans).

But in this Fairy Godmother world, poof, those delightful unequal programs have now disappeared! Quel dommage!

The July 2009 Canadian Energy Research Institute (CERI) report states that between 2008 and 2032, the oilsands will account for 172,000 person-years of employment in Ontario during the construction phase, plus 640,000 for operations over the 25-year period. For Quebec, the oilsands will account for 84,000 person-years of employment during the construction phase, plus 292,000 for operations over the 25-year period.

In total, the oilsands are expected to add $1.7 trillion to Canada 's GDP over the next 25 years.

Wave wand and Poof, Jobs, gone! So, now that the oil industry has shut down and left Alberta , Alberta has become a have-not province and so has every other province. Equality at last! Hugo Chavez will be so pleased.

Meeting our Copenhagen targets suddenly looks possible, as most of us can't afford to drive our cars or buy anything but necessities, so manufacturers have closed their doors and emissions are way down.

The dream of many Quebecers to form their own nation and separate from Canada has died at last. Alas, in Alberta , separatist sentiment has risen dramatically, citizens vote to separate and the oil and gas industry returns.

Albertans start to pocket that almost $6,000 for each person that used to get sent elsewhere and now their kids get free tuition. Fairy Godmother's work is done. Wish granted. Quebecers must now sign up for a foreign worker visas to work in Alberta to send their cheques back home so junior can start saving up to pay for college.

Licia Corbella is editorial page editor of The Calgary Herald.

[Mutter87]

Originally Posted by pottymouth

I can see it now!
- A new name for our western nation
- A declaration of independence
- Dissolving all old treaties, and forging new, better agreements !
- Less taxes
- Harsher sentencing for criminals
- Better education and health care
- No unemployement insurance
- Ability to carry restricted firarms

....etc...the list would be long and, hopefully done right, especially with the times!

I'm in, when do we start!!!

Heck while I'm dreaming, the ability to put draws in for any species, regardless of region !

What would we call this new great nation !

Disolve all treaties and leave them as such,and bring about a better EI system. Have the province run the oil sands not foreign companies. You think Alberta is great with 2% oil royalties? Imagine how great we would be with the other 98%. Bring a new justice system into place, we need 2 types, rehabilitation and punishment. If we are trying to rehabiliate someone then it makes no sense to treat them like an animal, proper schooling should be administered. If it is punishment we are after then it makes logical sense to just kill the majority of serious offenders regardless of the crime. No sense on wasting money on someone we are not going to try and make into a better person. We also need better birthing ensentives, people should want to have children, should be encouraged to have children and should be rewarded for having children. We also need a less capitalist driven society, we should not look at one another and think ". How much can I get out of him for the lowest ammount possible? And if it is not enough can I import someone who will work for less?". We must also make it feasible to have one parent stay home to raise the children without the father having a 6 figure income, I can assure you the goods you people have are not worth what it is you paid for them. These are just a few things that need to change in order to make a more productive society, look at America, a nation that has no unity, falling apart at the seems, we are not far behind.

[maxpower2506]

I for one would be in favour of THE COUNTRY OF ALBERTA.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by Rocky7

Think about what you said and see if you can begin to understand why Progressives gave us Eugenics.

Social Credit were Progressives? Bible Bill and Manning were lefties????

Rocky, is "Progressive" your new insult? Gee, wouldn't want to be in favour of progress. LOL

[dantonsen]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Good one. Put sarc off when you're done though. Some people might think you're serious.

being sarcastic about alberta being run by oil companys or having alot of easteners over here working?

the oilsands produce about 1 million barrels a day and the province actually collects more in tobacco and liquor taxes than they do from oilsands.

Go to fort mac murray and listen in on the two-way radio channels at sites, it's all eastern accents.

Well over 200 000 people migrated to the edmonton region alone and our un employment rate has gone down and we still need more workers.... These people are working and making thie economy tick... alberta would get nowhwere with no workers

[pattycr125]

Originally Posted by dantonsen

being sarcastic about alberta being run by oil companys or having alot of easteners over here working?

the oilsands produce about 1 million barrels a day and the province actually collects more in tobacco and liquor taxes than they do from oilsands.

Go to fort mac murray and listen in on the two-way radio channels at sites, it's all eastern accents.

Well over 200 000 people migrated to the edmonton region alone and our un employment rate has gone down and we still need more workers.... These people are working and making thie economy tick... alberta would get nowhwere with no workers

yes we would, we just wouldn't be pillaging the resource as quickly.

[Rocky7]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Rocky, is "Progressive" your new insult?

No, it's been with me for a very long time. You really need to read some history.

Originally Posted by dantonsen

.....the oilsands produce about 1 million barrels a day and the province actually collects more in tobacco and liquor taxes than they do from oilsands.

Must be fun to live in a world where you can just make stuff up to support whatever is floating around in your head. For those of us who deal with reality, it takes a bit of work to puzzle out what is best.

... alberta would get nowhwere with no workers

The world is full of people looking for good jobs. Most of them would be grateful and say "Thank you."

I'd like to try it that way.

[Rocky7]

Originally Posted by Iskra

There is no link but apparently article from the Calgary Herald. That may be applied to other provinces and the conclusion of the article answers OP question.

This is the typical Alberta view on our relationship with the ROC (rest of Canada), excluding B..C. and Saskatchewan of course.

Fascinating article by Lisa Corbella of the Calgary Herald.

Something has to give!!

Quebec and the Fairy Godmother

Thanks. I've read it before but it is worth posting now and again for the revisionists.

Something will "give" - when we've finally had enough. The capacity of a human being to live with abuse, and even come to see that as normal and defend it, is mind boggling.