How many have left the magnums behind for something smaller

[MOAhunter]

Started using a borrowed 270 Win.
Got a free .308 Win. Sold it
Bought 338WM. Sold it
Got a 7mm RM and shot nearly all my game with it.
Recently bought my son a 7-08 and it's really sweet to shoot! If I am able to shoot it more accurately offhand than my 7mmRM I just might get another one or maybe a 260 or 6.5CM for myself.

[Ranger CS]

Caliber (Bullet weight&velocity) Rifle Weight, Recoil Energy,Recoil Velocity

.308 Win. (165 at 2700) 7.5 18.1 12.5
.30-06 Spfd. (165 at 2900) 8.0 20.1 12.7
.30-06 Spfd. (180 at 2700) 8.0 20.3 12.8
7mm Rem. Mag. (160 at 2950) 9.0 20.3 12.0

The above Rifle Recoil Table was published by By Chuck Hawks comparing recoil energy and recoil velocity by caliber, rifle weight and bullet weight.
For those who think the 308 and 30-06 have significantly less recoil than the 7mm Rem. Mag. have a look and think again before giving up your magnums.

[Stinky Coyote]

Originally Posted by Ranger CS

Caliber (Bullet weight&velocity) Rifle Weight, Recoil Energy,Recoil Velocity

.308 Win. (165 at 2700) 7.5 18.1 12.5
.30-06 Spfd. (165 at 2900) 8.0 20.1 12.7
.30-06 Spfd. (180 at 2700) 8.0 20.3 12.8
7mm Rem. Mag. (160 at 2950) 9.0 20.3 12.0

The above Rifle Recoil Table was published by By Chuck Hawks comparing recoil energy and recoil velocity by caliber, rifle weight and bullet weight.
For those who think the 308 and 30-06 have significantly less recoil than the 7mm Rem. Mag. have a look and think again before giving up your magnums.

there's different recoils to consider, some are more sensitive to the inertia recoil from the weight of the bullets, some the speed of the recoil...for example, i've always disliked the recoil of every 30 cal i've shot, 308's included but shoot a .270 with 140's/130's all day doesn't bother me, even enjoy 7rm's with 140's better, there are others who are the opposite, they prefer the shove of the slower heavier bullets vs the sharper snap of the faster lighter stuff

my simple view is i've never been happy pushing 150 grains or more of lead down the pipe as i am 140 grains or less, the velocity doesn't seem to matter as much as the weight of the bullet does (within the typical standard/magnum velocity ranges)

my take on it

[sillyak]

Originally Posted by Ranger CS

Caliber (Bullet weight&velocity) Rifle Weight, Recoil Energy,Recoil Velocity

.308 Win. (165 at 2700) 7.5 18.1 12.5
.30-06 Spfd. (165 at 2900) 8.0 20.1 12.7
.30-06 Spfd. (180 at 2700) 8.0 20.3 12.8
7mm Rem. Mag. (160 at 2950) 9.0 20.3 12.0

The above Rifle Recoil Table was published by By Chuck Hawks comparing recoil energy and recoil velocity by caliber, rifle weight and bullet weight.
For those who think the 308 and 30-06 have significantly less recoil than the 7mm Rem. Mag. have a look and think again before giving up your magnums.

Best to run the numbers yourself. Notice the 7mmRM is in a 9 lb rifle and the .308 is 7.5 lbs.

But yeah it's not a huge difference, it is a fair amount faster though.

I used to have a 7.8 lb rifle that sent a 500 grain TSX at 2450 fps for 116 ft•lb of recoil energy. Makes the 7mm RM vs .308 recoil debate meaningless.

[Ranger CS]

Originally Posted by Stinky Coyote

there's different recoils to consider, some are more sensitive to the inertia recoil from the weight of the bullets, some the speed of the recoil...for example, i've always disliked the recoil of every 30 cal i've shot, 308's included but shoot a .270 with 140's/130's all day doesn't bother me, even enjoy 7rm's with 140's better, there are others who are the opposite, they prefer the shove of the slower heavier bullets vs the sharper snap of the faster lighter stuff

my simple view is i've never been happy pushing 150 grains or more of lead down the pipe as i am 140 grains or less, the velocity doesn't seem to matter as much as the weight of the bullet does (within the typical standard/magnum velocity ranges)

my take on it

That's why you need to consider recoil velocity along with recoil energy. For sure the weight of the rifle is significant. Increase the gun weight by, say, 25% and the recoil goes down by 25%, basic physics.

[Battle Rat]

I wonder if those that kill deer with a 25-20 trash talk guys that hunt with that huge 25-06.

[Ram94]

I recently went from 7RM to a 7mm-08 that’s 2 lbs lighter. My take on it, is the 08 will push the same 162gr. bullet with enough energy inside of 500 yards to cleanly kill all species in Alberta. I shoot it more accurately than my 7RM and I have a smaller/lighter/handier rifle to tote around.

Beyond 500 is where the magnum shines though. (I won’t shoot at an animal beyond that anyways, but I can see the benefit for guys that have the skills to do so)


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[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by sillyak

Best to run the numbers yourself. Notice the 7mmRM is in a 9 lb rifle and the .308 is 7.5 lbs.

But yeah it's not a huge difference, it is a fair amount faster though.

I used to have a 7.8 lb rifle that sent a 500 grain TSX at 2450 fps for 116 ft•lb of recoil energy. Makes the 7mm RM vs .308 recoil debate meaningless.

What caliber/rifle was that??
Sounds interesting

[Dean2]

[QUOTE=marky_mark;4161817]What caliber/rifle

Must be a 460 Weatherby at that speed and weight. Very light rifle for that cartridge. Mine has a custom made brake and weights at least 3 pounds more and it is still very lively in the recoil department.

[marky_mark]

[QUOTE=Dean2;4161820]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

What caliber/rifle

Must be a 460 Weatherby at that speed and weight. Very light rifle for that cartridge.

Was thinking a double
My 378 wby was heavier than that
Made you smile when you pulled the trigger lol

[Dean2]

[QUOTE=marky_mark;4161833]

Originally Posted by Dean2

Was thinking a double
My 378 wby was heavier than that
Made you smile when you pulled the trigger lol

Most doubles are at least ten pounds. Many are 12. Never seen a big bore douvle under 9 pounds.

[Ranger CS]

According to the Barnes website the only 500 gr. TSX bullet they make is for a 470 Nitro.

The published recoil table shows the following:
.470 N.E. (500 at 2150) 11.0 69.3 20.1
That is 69.3 ft.lbs. of recoil energy, a hair under the 116 ft.lbs referred to above.

[Dean2]

Originally Posted by Ranger CS

According to the Barnes website the only 500 gr. TSX bullet they make is for a 470 Nitro.

The published recoil table shows the following:
.470 N.E. (500 at 2150) 11.0 69.3 20.1
That is 69.3 ft.lbs. of recoil energy, a hair under the 116 ft.lbs referred to above.

They make a 500 grain 458 TSX for the 460, 458 win etc. I have a bunch loaded for my 46O bee. The 116 pounds of recoil in a 8 pound rifle is pretty close to right for a 460. To get one from the factory without a brake u used to have to sign a waiver. They have been known to detach retinas and produce concussions unbraked.

[Ranger CS]

Originally Posted by Dean2

They make a 500 grain 458 TSX for the 460, 458 win etc. I have a bunch loaded for my 46O bee. The 116 pounds of recoil in a 8 pound rifle is pretty close to right for a 460. To get one from the factory without a brake u used to have to sign a waiver. They have been known to detach retinas and produce concussions unbraked.

That's nasty! Never shot anything with that much energy.

[NayNay]

I now only use .243win, 7mm-08, and 6.5 Creedmoor. I hate recoil.

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by Dean2

They make a 500 grain 458 TSX for the 460, 458 win etc. I have a bunch loaded for my 46O bee. The 116 pounds of recoil in a 8 pound rifle is pretty close to right for a 460. To get one from the factory without a brake u used to have to sign a waiver. They have been known to detach retinas and produce concussions unbraked.

That would be impressive
Gophers wouldn’t have a chance

[Dean2]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

That would be impressive
Gophers wouldn’t have a chance

I have shot quite a few things with that Boomer, nothing so far had much of a chance. Funny thing is, the excessive power doesn't seem to damage more meat but it also doesn't seem to kill any faster. I have shot a ton of bears with a 45-70, which is a 350 grain bullet at 1700 FPS versus the same 350 out of the Bee at 2800 and the ones shot with the 45-70 died just as fast. The bullet went clear though every time with the 45-70, so they were already going lots fast enough. Both guns are a blast with cast bullets though you do have to slow the 460 down to about 1800 fps so you don't get severe leading. Trail Boss works great for cast loads in the 460 Bee and actually makes it lots of fun to plink with.