Will You Voluntarily Turn in Your Firearms?

[stuckincity]

I only have a couple of air rifles, a .22 and a .177, non-CO2 just air, 495 FPS.

THEY'LL BE NEXT to be banned if this "gun control" nonsense goes through!
I wouldn't put it past 'em!

So my answer would be an emphatic NO! if I had any.



While we're on the subject - look at History. Guns were pretty well "standard equipment" in all eras almost since they were invented, and nobody thought anything of it.

I seriously believe that the antis are "non survivors", eligible for the Darwin Award, and wouldn't last a week if things got real bad.

Of course, they'd expect YOU to protect them with YOUR guns so they could be "pacifists".

Just my nickle's worth, since there's no more pennies.

[CNP]

Originally Posted by Huntinfishinnstuff

enough with fear mongering. I actually agree with the libs gun policy. here is a link to it so read it yourself

https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/guns/

Lets do a point by point dissection of your darling party's gun platform:

We will take pragmatic action to make it harder for criminals to get, and use, handguns and assault weapons. We will:

•repeal changes made by Bill C-42 that allow restricted and prohibited weapons to be freely transported without a permit, and we will put decision-making about weapons restrictions back in the hands of police, not politicians;

BS meter goes off on this one. Do you know anything about transporting restricted firearms? C-42 changes nothing other than to allow already existing transportation, albeit without a piece of paper (ATT). All one should need is their license endorsed as restricted. So this platform item is a big fat lie. Law are made by legislators politicians, not the police. Police enforce law, not create law. In a police state, the police decide what the law is. Another FAIL.

•provide $100 million each year to the provinces and territories to support guns and gangs police task forces to take illegal guns off our streets and reduce gang violence;

Wow sounds impressive. This will solve everything.


•modify the membership of the Canadian Firearms Advisory Committee to include knowledgeable law enforcement officers, public health advocates, representatives from women’s groups, and members of the legal community;

Why not invite every anti-gun organization while your at it.


•require enhanced background checks for anyone seeking to purchase a handgun or other restricted firearm;

Silly. This is already a fact. Another FAIL.

•require purchasers of firearms to show a license when they buy a gun, and require all sellers of firearms to confirm that the license is valid before completing the sale;

Silly. This is already a fact. Another FAIL.

•require firearms vendors to keep records of all firearms inventory and sales to assist police in investigating firearms trafficking and other gun crimes;

Silly. This is already a fact. But it does NOTHING to assist police in trafficking.........how could it? Another FAIL.

•immediately implement the imported gun marking regulations that have been repeatedly delayed by Stephen Harper; and

Immediately? No consultation? FAIL

•as part of our investment in border infrastructure, invest in technologies to enhance our border guards’ ability to detect and halt illegal guns from the United States entering into Canada.

We all agree that illegal guns are illegal. Invest in technologies......wow what a broad sound bite statement. We going to invest in xraying every vehicle crossing the border? Sweet idea. Fail.

We will not create a new national long-gun registry to replace the one that has been dismantled.

Good one.

We will ensure that Canada becomes a party to the International Arms Treaty.

Well...........it won't do anything to control crime in Canda. Read the treaty. Just smoke and mirrors FAIL.

[Johnny G1]

If they want them they will sure as hell have to pay for them, ain't giving up anything. Worked to dam hard for what little I got.

[ak-71]

If they buy my SA-08 with enough money to buy, or just trade a nice O/U for it I will.
Otherwise it's just a robbery, nothing voluntarily about taking my gun that I legally bought, after paying for PAL and courses and spent time going through bureaucracy BS.

[NEWB]

Originally Posted by qwert

TM has said (and voted) many times, that he supported the LGR, and that "an NDP Government would introduce a system to track every gun" in Canada. He has also said that an NDP Government (or I assume coalition) would ratify the UN Arms Trade Treaty, which REQUIRES that all members maintain a record registry of ALL firearms.

TM may be one of the worst for saying one thing in English and the opposite in French, but he was speaking in English when he promised to "introduce a system to track every gun".

It is interesting.

I know he had said those things which is why I spoke with the Candidate for clarification. I am not certain if I can trust Mulcair with what he says and does.

[thirty-30]

Man, I dunno what anyone is talking about. About a month after the LGR's demise I hit a bad financial bump and sold all of my rifles to this really nice chap, one armed, one eyed little person with a russian accent. His PAL verified tho, but can't remember what it was.

Nice guy, wish I could recall where he was from

[stefk]

Originally Posted by thirty-30

Man, I dunno what anyone is talking about. About a month after the LGR's demise I hit a bad financial bump and sold all of my rifles to this really nice chap, one armed, one eyed little person with a russian accent. His PAL verified tho, but can't remember what it was.

Nice guy, wish I could recall where he was from

If I recall correctly, he was from Canmore. Believe his name was Howie Feltersnatch...sold all of my old guns to him too

[ak-71]

Let's make it some other accent, please!

[norwestalta]

This is kind of a non issue for me. Good luck trying to take my guns. What I find strange is nobody is up in arms about bigger issues like immigration and a change to the way of life we once had.

[elkdump]

Left to do their bidding, self righteous liberals have riddled one of the bigger cities on the west coast of the continental USA of gun stores ,


The LAST operating gun store in San Francisco California has announced it is closing its doors forever , insane local and State laws and harassment have caused the owners to call it QUITS !

That is a U.S. city of a million people without a lawfully operating gun shop,,,

It has to be a better safer city,,, according to liberal politicians reports


Don't think it could happen here ? ( good ol Canader ( Albertastan) ,,,,hmmmm

[elkdump]

Originally Posted by norwestalta

This is kind of a non issue for me. Good luck trying to take my guns. What I find strange is nobody is up in arms about bigger issues like immigration and a change to the way of life we once had.

There is talk of a new Mosque to accommodate 3500 worshippers in Hythe,,,

oh, and if you are having trouble converting, they have siminars and self help groups,

Good ol boys , I would suspect,

Maybe I will see you there

[WyattE]

Originally Posted by elkdump

There is talk of a new Mosque to accommodate 3500 worshippers in Hythe,,,

oh, and if you are having trouble converting, they have siminars and self help groups,

Good ol boys , I would suspect,

Maybe I will see you there

A Mosque with 3500 worshippers in Hythe?

Guess many a local will have to learn to answer the afternoon prayer call to do some bum sniffing.

[norwestalta]

Originally Posted by elkdump

There is talk of a new Mosque to accommodate 3500 worshippers in Hythe,,,

oh, and if you are having trouble converting, they have siminars and self help groups,

Good ol boys , I would suspect,

Maybe I will see you there

Hate to tell you but its already been built in demmit out of horse ****, bull **** and straw. Camel **** was hard to find. I hope they like it.

[JustMe]

So, let's just for a minute suppose they make it a heck of a penalty for transporting or being in possesion of nonregistered firearms. Why would you have them if you are afraid to take them out if there is a chance you're going to jail?

Originally Posted by norwestalta

This is kind of a non issue for me. Good luck trying to take my guns. What I find strange is nobody is up in arms about bigger issues like immigration and a change to the way of life we once had.

[norwestalta]

Originally Posted by JustMe

So, let's just for a minute suppose they make it a heck of a penalty for transtporting or being in possesion of nonregistered firearms. Why would you have them if you are afraid to take them out if there is a chance you're going to jail?

My thoughts are that people have guns regardless of their political leanings and very few are going to give up their arms for sweet FA. .

They don't have enough jails to put us in let alone take the average blue collar worker out of the work force. Who would pay taxes then?

[JustMe]

Originally Posted by norwestalta

My thoughts are that people have guns regardless of their political leanings and very few are going to give up their arms for sweet FA.

I wouldn't give them away either. I'm going on the assumption of a long gun registry being reintroduced.

[handeeman1]

just election gig prob wont happen even if he gets in

[norwestalta]

Originally Posted by JustMe

I wouldn't give them away either. I'm going on the assumption of a long gun registry being reintroduced.

Thats the thing. The registry doesn't work. Register the owner is fine and they've had that since the fac days.

[mooseknuckle]

Originally Posted by thirty-30

Man, I dunno what anyone is talking about. About a month after the LGR's demise I hit a bad financial bump and sold all of my rifles to this really nice chap, one armed, one eyed little person with a russian accent. His PAL verified tho, but can't remember what it was.

Nice guy, wish I could recall where he was from

sounds like the same gent that bought all mine. guy must have an aresenol by now.

[WyattE]

Originally Posted by mooseknuckle

sounds like the same gent that bought all mine. guy must have an aresenol by now.

Me too, I heard he lives in Hythe!

[dmac]

I'm with elkdump.

p.s the sky is not about to fall no matter who forms the next government.

[ctd]

If they were to ever start banning and collecting firearms they would have to jump through many hoops to do so.
If they ever do then they will have to do a buy back of legally purchased firearms. If they were to do this my SKS I bought for $199 and added a few things makes the value of it at close to $1000.
My Tikka with its scope and bi pod is worth $2000. By the time I come out of it all I will be a few thousand ahead. Not a bad deal.

The important thing here is if they do instate a gun policy that restricts and or confiscates firearms. Then we need to put in place the terms of the policy. This would have to include fair market value of said firearms. Plus loss of use and mental anguish, not to mention subsidizing, paying for all losses of all the ranges and firearm related stores across Canada plus the loss of conservation groups.

This could turn out to be a very expensive policy if put in place.

Just because you did not vote for a party does not mean you can not influence their policys.


I hate the phrases "bullets first" "pry from my dead hands" these phrases do absolutely nothing except justify why we need further control from the Anti gun groups.
Instead say I do not support the terms of this and we will fight this in court.

[stuckincity]

Originally Posted by GameTracker

BUT ONE HAS TO STAND FOR SOMETHING...

"Anyone who doesn't stand for something will fall for anything."
- Ayn Rand

[Grizzly Adams]

Originally Posted by Huntinfishinnstuff

enough with fear mongering. I actually agree with the libs gun policy. here is a link to it so read it yourself

https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/guns/

We will take action to get handguns and assault weapons off our streets.

We have legal hand guns and assault rifles on our streets ? Never ceases to amaze me how easily people are willing to give up rights. Before you know it, there won't be any left.

Grizz

[grinr]

Originally Posted by Huntinfishinnstuff

enough with fear mongering. I actually agree with the libs gun policy. here is a link to it so read it yourself

https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/guns/

How could any rational gun owner actually agree with this nonsense?
Useless policy,the Libs will set gun rights back 25years.

Originally Posted by Pudelpointer

The simple fact they will sign the UN Small Arms treaty is all I need to know about the Libs. Reinstating ATTs to no purpose, lauding "Australian style firearms laws", and reclassifying firearms via a new "panel of experts" that will no doubt include psychotic gun control zealots like Wendy Cukier should be enough for every other firearms owner out there.

Anyone who believes the Libs or Dips will stop at their stated platforms on gun control, is an absolute moron.

I despair for the future of Canada.

ABSUFUKNLUTELY!!
The UN's agenda is to disarm the entire civilian world,leaving only police and military with firearms.

[seven0eight]

Originally Posted by ruttnbuckcojack

If your a liberal nut move back east were your opinion might be appreciated. Because Liberals and NDP voters aren't welcome in Alberta.

This is a forum about the outdoors. Shouldn't everyone with an interest in hunting and conservation (and firearms legislation and it's impact on us, in this case) be welcomed?? If hunters allow ourselves to be divided by political fault-lines we are going to lose out in the long run. You should welcome people from other regions and political perspectives who share your interest, instead of being abusive towards them. Let's not forget that we are already a small minority of Canadians. We don't need to be a--holes to each other, man. It's only going to hurt us.

[qwert]

Originally Posted by ctd

If they were to ever start banning and collecting firearms they would have to jump through many hoops to do so.

Using only the existing terms of the Bill C-68 Firearms Act any Government could use an 'Order in Council' or an 'instruction to the CFO' to ban any or ALL civil firearms by just reclassifying them as 'prohibited'. They would not even need to call a sitting of Parliament or introduce a bill or have any debate.

Originally Posted by ctd

If they ever do then they will have to do a buy back of legally purchased firearms.

No payment or compensation is required. Ask an owner of a 12.6 class, 4" Colt Python what it is worth in the post C-68 market, and how much compensation they received for the drop in market value.

Originally Posted by ctd

If they were to do this my SKS I bought for $199 and added a few things makes the value of it at close to $1000.
My Tikka with its scope and bi pod is worth $2000. By the time I come out of it all I will be a few thousand ahead. Not a bad deal.

The MOST you will get will be CURRENT MINIMUM MARKET VALUE, which for a prohibited firearm with no lawful buyer, will be about .02/lb. as scrap metal. I suspect for political reasons that a higher but still well below OCT 18 value will be offered for the basic firearm, but there will be no payment for any accessories such as scopes, mounts, aftermarket stocks or any other custom gun-smithing or finishing or historical or sentimental value. This was the AU experience.

Originally Posted by ctd

The important thing here is if they do instate a gun policy that restricts and or confiscates firearms. Then we need to put in place the terms of the policy. This would have to include fair market value of said firearms. Plus loss of use and mental anguish, not to mention subsidizing, paying for all losses of all the ranges and firearm related stores across Canada plus the loss of conservation groups.
snip

WE or YOU will not be asked for approval of any offer. AFAIK, any export would require an export permit, and AFAIK, no export permit is available for 'prohibited' items.

Good Luck, YMMV

[HunterDave]

Originally Posted by JustMe

So, let's just for a minute suppose they make it a heck of a penalty for transporting or being in possesion of nonregistered firearms. Why would you have them if you are afraid to take them out if there is a chance you're going to jail?

To send the government a message. I would rather hide my firearms and not use them than turn them over to the government that made them illegal.

[Cottus]

I would but I actually just sold them all...

[Mulehahn]

Originally Posted by Cottus

I would but I actually just sold them all...

Your lucky, mine just spontaneously exploded. I am not holding out much hope, but will know if I can reconstruct them in a few hours.