The spoiled child Quebec

[glen d.]

In a New Western Republic, no government supported ethnic, special interest groups, languages or cultures would be supported with tax dollars. Only performance by merit will be rewarded through direct free market competition. Business reputations would be crucial to their survival. This will create an automatic cleansing effect on corruption from the system.


We the english,the majority, the voting majority did not have a vote on the official lanquage act.

[Okotokian]

Man, you really picked the wrong time to advocate the break-up of our great country. I've got no time for traitors.

[Matt L.]

Me either, somebody's got a major burr under his saddle and I hope it gives him saddle-sores!

[elkhunter11]

Man, you really picked the wrong time to advocate the break-up of our great country. I've got no time for traitors

Then you should have no time for Quebec,after all,49.5% of the voters voted to separate from Canada.

[guywiththemule]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Man, you really picked the wrong time to advocate the break-up of our great country. I've got no time for traitors.

Maybe you and Matt should head back "east" where everybody(Quebec and Ottawa) has more time and money for traitors and you would feel more at home !

[PoppaW]

As I watched the olympics all I could think was why so much French being spoken on tv

[glen d.]

It is clear that Francophones make up a small percentage of the population outside Quebec, yet they demand equal status with the majority. And in Quebec, they demand that English be relegated to a 2nd class language. Unfortunately, the loser in this fight to impose the French language on Canadians is likely to be Canadian unity itself. For the first time the mainstream media is speaking out on the language issue, particulary in the context of the Olympics, where Western Canadians are rightfully dismayed that their noses have been rubbed in the federal muck of "Quebec appeasement" once again.


We the english,the majority, the voting majority did not have a vote on the official lanquage act.

[Matt L.]

Originally Posted by guywiththemule

Maybe you and Matt should head back "east" where everybody(Quebec and Ottawa) has more time and money for traitors and you would feel more at home !

Why the hell would I feel more at home?
Oh, and glenn, French and English (in that order) just happen to be the official languages of the Olympics. Nothing at all to do with Quebec.

[roadkill]

So, anyone who doesn't automatically agree with a separate country should just go away? Wow, how will things be when all those Chinese and Shikhs I mentioned start angling for language rights? Will they have to move out as well? Sounds like a pretty dark republic to me.

And fer gossakes, the Olympics have been dealt with enough. As I and others have said, the Olympics have two official languages, which have to be used at ever games. It's not about Quebec.

Man... Is it me, or is only one side of this whole mess actually listening?

[Bushrat]

Give or take a hundred years or so from now french and english won't be an issue, we will all be speaking Arabic. Given we already recognize two official languages other minorities will/already are, demand that their language be officially recognized. Being that french and english are not reproducing enough to sustain our numbers and other minorities are reproducing exponentially this argument will be mute. If the french don't like dealing with the english when we already recognize their cultural and historical differences, think how they/we will feel when we have to deal with the muslems when they take over Quebec and the rest of Canada. I think a country should lock down one official language and stick to it or we will lose it, make everyone coming here learn it and stop pandering to every minorities wish as this will backfire on us both. Look at what having two official languages has already done to this country and the cultural divide it has and continues to create. We need to look at the bigger picture of the future and stop squabbling over a language issue and focus on what this country is turning into and which direction it is headed. Bilingualism divides, multiculture polarises society at a time when we need unity, this language issue is the last thing we should be worried about at this time.

[glen d.]

I have a question for you forced bilinqual supporters.

When the Federal government brought in the official lanquage act should it not been voted on by Canadians.

[glen d.]

In the new Western Republic ....

Culture will be determined by the people naturally - original and unique (not copied or legitimized with taxpayers money - coercion).

Culture will be left alone to evolve naturally through the people. Private business allowed to flourish, unfettered by government in a capitalist society will result in benevolent unified population of traders. No favoritism (funding or assistance of any kind) by government will be allowed which would result in a fractured society. Statism (Socialism or Fascism) stifles creativity and incentive. Capitalism is the catalyst for invention and it is the only moral social system by which man should live.

Moral responsibility and strong core values would return due to renewed enthusiasm and hope - enhanced survival instinct resulting in a thriving nation with self-reliant citizens.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by guywiththemule

Maybe you and Matt should head back "east" where everybody(Quebec and Ottawa) has more time and money for traitors and you would feel more at home !

I've lived my whole life in Alberta. And I'm a proud Canadian. Language arguments apart, anyone who advocates tearing apart my country is the enemy. Albertan seperatists are the enemy. Quebec separatists are the enemy. They fought a war over this in the US. Sorry if you and Glen get offended by the term "traitor", but in terms of Canada, that's what you are if you advocate the break-up of my country. If the shoe fits fella... Sorry I hurt your feelings. Perhaps you should go back east and get in bed with your fellow separatists in Quebec. You certainly have common cause with them. I will live in Alberta and be a Canadian my whole life.

[roadkill]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

I've lived my whole life in Alberta. And I'm a proud Canadian. Language arguments apart, anyone who advocates tearing apart my country is the enemy. Albertan seperatists are the enemy. Quebec separatists are the enemy. They fought a war over this in the US. Sorry if you and Glen get offended by the term "traitor", but in terms of Canada, that's what you are if you advocate the break-up of my country. If the shoe fits fella... Sorry I hurt your feelings.

I agree. What we have is far from perfect, but it's *my* favourite country, at least.

[Matt L.]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

I've lived my whole life in Alberta. And I'm a proud Canadian. Language arguments apart, anyone who advocates tearing apart my country is the enemy. Albertan seperatists are the enemy. Quebec separatists are the enemy. They fought a war over this in the US. Sorry if you and Glen get offended by the term "traitor", but in terms of Canada, that's what you are if you advocate the break-up of my country. If the shoe fits fella... Sorry I hurt your feelings. Perhaps you should go back east and get in bed with your fellow separatists in Quebec. You certainly have common cause with them. I will live in Alberta and be a Canadian my whole life.

X100! Well said Oko!

[guywiththemule]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

I've lived my whole life in Alberta. And I'm a proud Canadian. Language arguments apart, anyone who advocates tearing apart my country is the enemy. Albertan seperatists are the enemy. Quebec separatists are the enemy. They fought a war over this in the US. Sorry if you and Glen get offended by the term "traitor", but in terms of Canada, that's what you are if you advocate the break-up of my country. If the shoe fits fella... Sorry I hurt your feelings. Perhaps you should go back east and get in bed with your fellow separatists in Quebec. You certainly have common cause with them. I will live in Alberta and be a Canadian my whole life.

Good try! Still falls a little short; Sorry ! Maybe you could try again. Just sayin.....

[glen d.]

Offended, never, keep up the good work.

We must educate and organize people interested in forming a new Independent Republic of Western Canada. The new proposed representative government constitution is based on the principle of individual rights (most notably, protected individual property rights), the pursuit of happiness, limited and accountable government structure whose only role is to protect all individuals from the initiation of force from others and therefore will uphold these individual rights by defending them against said force. In order to defend these individual rights government's role must then be limited to a strong military, police and justice system with a supreme court whose judges must be held to account by the people for any action which would not provide the protection of individuals as described therein the constitution.


We the english,the majority, the voting majority did not have a vote on the official lanquage act.

[roadkill]

Originally Posted by glen d.

Offended, never, keep up the good work.

We must educate and organize people interested in forming a new Independent Republic of Western Canada. The new proposed representative government constitution is based on the principle of individual rights (most notably, protected individual property rights), the pursuit of happiness, limited and accountable government structure whose only role is to protect all individuals from the initiation of force from others and therefore will uphold these individual rights by defending them against said force. In order to defend these individual rights government's role must then be limited to a strong military, police and justice system with a supreme court whose judges must be held to account by the people for any action which would not provide the protection of individuals as described therein the constitution.


We the english,the majority, the voting majority did not have a vote on the official lanquage act.

It's clear that you're not listening to anyone who questions this republic you're trumpeting -- or anything else you're on about, for that matter. You're just using threads as soapboxes from which to sling a whole lot of total hooey about what *you* want your republic to be. You have a totally naïve view of a lot of what you're saying, and you're not even trying to counter what I said, let alone what others have. So what's the point?

And if you're going to get all up in arms about your sacred language, at least spell the word 'language' right in your signature.

[glen d.]

A province or an individual seeking independence is not treason as we found out when Quebec was seeking independence.
In seeking independence Quebec, thanks to the constitution/laws of this country was informed that they or any province can use the Clarity Act to seek their independence.

[glen d.]

The Clarity Act was created in response to the 1995 Quebec referendum and ongoing independence movement in that province. The content of the Clarity Act was based on the 1998 secession reference to the Supreme Court of Canada made by the federal government under Jean Chrétien.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by guywiththemule

Good try! Still falls a little short; Sorry ! Maybe you could try again. Just sayin.....

That's a poor substitute for a counter-argument. Vacuous. Falls a little short. Maybe you could try again. I'm just sayin'....

Next time try "Oh yeah? Well, you're STUPID!" Would be more effective.

[maxpower2506]

Wow, never cease's to amaze me how many people don't mind having their collective noses rubbed in french crap! For 17 days we here in the west almost,and I MEAN, almost got a tiny bit of respect, but that is over, and all eastern Canada hates us again, ANYONE who doubts that, read a few Liberal Blogs, and then see how willing you are to maintain the status quo!

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by maxpower2506

I MEAN, almost got a tiny bit of respect, but that is over, and all eastern Canada hates us again,

Though not to the extent, I suspect, of how much many of us here hate them it seems. Max, nobody hates you.

Just tired of the haters and the pseudo-victims.... all the venom being spewed by a small number of people with chips on their shoulders about the most petty things. We here chide all the "special interest groups" for taking offense at every little percieved slight against them. Look in the mirror folks. Wanting to tear a country apart because we think, rightly or wrongly, that we had to sit through a french class in school 30 years ago or a cereal box was turned with the French side out. It's sad.

[maxpower2506]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Though not to the extent, I suspect, of how much many of us here hate them it seems. Max, nobody hates you.

Just tired of the haters and the pseudo-victims.... all the venom being spewed by a small number of people with chips on their shoulders about the most petty things. We here chide all the "special interest groups" for taking offense at every little percieved slight against them. Look in the mirror folks. Wanting to tear a country apart because we think, rightly or wrongly, that we had to sit through a french class in school 30 years ago or a cereal box was turned with the French side out. It's sad.

I could not agree more, But it has taken a lot longer for the anger to boil to the surface here out west. Trust me, check out some of the left leaning bloggers from every province east of Manitoba, you will see what is simmering out there. I could care less what they say myself, but it does get very OLD!

[S.A.S]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

I've lived my whole life in Alberta. And I'm a proud Canadian. Language arguments apart, anyone who advocates tearing apart my country is the enemy. Albertan seperatists are the enemy. Quebec separatists are the enemy. They fought a war over this in the US. Sorry if you and Glen get offended by the term "traitor", but in terms of Canada, that's what you are if you advocate the break-up of my country. If the shoe fits fella... Sorry I hurt your feelings. Perhaps you should go back east and get in bed with your fellow separatists in Quebec. You certainly have common cause with them. I will live in Alberta and be a Canadian my whole life.

So we should just keep supporting ungrateful provinces and sniveling left wing scum? Lol No thanks

[roadkill]

Originally Posted by maxpower2506

For 17 days we here in the west almost,and I MEAN, almost got a tiny bit of respect, but that is over, and all eastern Canada hates us again, ANYONE who doubts that, read a few Liberal Blogs, and then see how willing you are to maintain the status quo!

Okay, do you actually *know* any of us? I don't know what the news is telling you out there, but nobody's actually talking that way on the streets where I live, nor are any of my friends.

You're either listening too much to headline-hungry newsmakers, or you're talking out your... well, you know.

Originally Posted by S.A.S

So we should just keep supporting ungrateful provinces and sniveling left wing scum? Lol No thanks

Maybe we should calm down a bit and bring our opinions out of the McCarthy era. Just a thought.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by S.A.S

So we should just keep supporting ungrateful provinces and sniveling left wing scum? Lol No thanks

Not saying that at all. If you would like laws or regulations or programs changed I say have at it. That's what happens in Democracies. I'm just saying:

1) ditch the anger and hatred that seems to be fueling some people's rants, and

2) if your answer is to dismember our country over it then you are an enemy of the vast majority of us.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Not saying that at all. If you would like laws or regulations or programs changed I say have at it. That's what happens in Democracies. I'm just saying:

1) ditch the anger and hatred that seems to be fueling some people's rants, and

2) if your answer is to dismember our country over it then you are an enemy of the vast majority of us.

Oko.. Vast majority is very big word.

Jamie

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by Jamie

Oko.. Vast majority is very big word.

Jamie

actually it's two.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

actually it's two.

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