Anyone ever think about leaving Canada?

[sewerrat]

Anyone ever think about Leaving Canada for a more simplistic life?

Wife and I are here in Mexico at the moment and we’ve been to Mexico about a dozen times. The more I come here the more I like it and keep thinking life is so simple here than in Canada, with all the BS that’s going on back home like the corona virus , climate change being rammed down our throats, taxes going up wage going down, corrupt government and on and on.

I think we are seriously think about becoming an expat here in Mexico!
We love La Cruz Huanacaxtle, all the way north to Chacala along the coast.

Anyone else been here in this area?

[Smoky buck]

It has crossed my mind for sure with the direction Canada has been going. Right now having two kids at home the wife will never consider it. I think once the kids move out I will put more thought into the possibility. Personally I could do it but my wife might be too afraid

When it comes to retirement it will become way more tempting because in Canada the cost of living is becoming unrealistic.

[CaberTosser]

I can relate to some such thoughts, but I sure would not include the coronavirus among them. You just compared a sparsely populated nation with excellent health care to a heavily populated nation where roving cartel gangs decapitate people en masse, and engage in mass gunfights with government law enforcement and the army. Any health epidemic would be much worse down there than in Canada.

[buckbrush]

I think about it. Nothing to do with Coronavirus.
As frustrating as this gov is, I still think Canada is the best place to live for me. It’s not nearly as good as it used to be but overall, it’s still a good country.

[ganderblaster]

You can take the boy out of the Northern Prairies but you will never take the Northern Prairie out of the boy. Sorry I am an Albertan for life. Would love a second place in Mexico, I find the people there are refreshing in the down to earth work for food, want better for the family type of way, but as long as I am capable and the wildfowl are making the migration South I will be in the fields of Alberta with my shotgun.

[Grizzly Adams]

Mexico ? know some people who live there. You can't own land directly , you'd better have a wall around your home and resign yourself to staying home after 9 PM. Dead bodies in the street are a common sight. Not my cup of tea. Medical problems ? Better hope you make it back to Canada before you croak.
I came here as a kid and appreciate more than most people what we have here.


Grizz

[zabbo]

Originally Posted by lone wolf

I came here as a young lad in 1984, originally as a foreign student and later stayed as a landed immigrant, finally becoming a full citizen in 2000. Originally I came from a culture where it was encouraged to hate and actively harm those of a different faith (despite the fact that we were all White Anglo Saxons) so in this context the values and (cultural) diversity here were a breath of fresh air. Canada has been incredibly good to me and I have ultimately become quite successful in my chosen career path. I have also been able to raise a family free from sectarian influence and with true freedom of speech and action. Unfortunately under the current leadership regime we are fast sliding toward a welfare state where power and influence are directed toward appeasing the minority voice. Current attempts to handcuff and penalize the "goose that lays the golden egg" (aka energy sector) are at best reprehensible. In short I have become very disillusioned with our great country and have started to wonder if I should up stakes and return to my roots. If I do there will be one hell of a gun sale as I will not be able to take them with me.

A proud (but disillusioned) Canadian.

Originally Posted by buckbrush

I think about it. Nothing to do with Coronavirus.
As frustrating as this gov is, I still think Canada is the best place to live for me. It’s not nearly as good as it used to be but overall, it’s still a good country.

Wow! Sad to hear that after 35 years Lone Wolf would feel the way he does. Buck Brush, I know how you feel. I have lived all my life, 65 years, as a proud Canadian. Worked all over the planet, so I have an idea what other countries are like. Over the last few years I see this great country slipping, as already said, into a welfare state. Looks great for now, but what happens when all the people that made Canada what it "was" have moved out or otherwise departed? Eventually the "credit card" gets canceled and then what will the snowflakes and new Canadians do? The turd doesn't care, he has a huge trust fund and will probably be collecting big bucks from the U.N. morneau will be nice and comfy at his villa on the Rivera.

[zabbo]

Think about this more and more. Talk to many people that feel the same. Canada is going in a bad direction and the young people here have a huge financial mess to deal with. As for my wife and I the the only things holding us here is our son, daughter in law and two grand children. We know people that spend about 3 months every winter in Zihuatanejo and they think it's great. Not sure how that would work out year round. Think the temperature is very hot in summer. There is also the health care issue. From all accounts Mexico has great medical facilities, as long as you can pay for them. As you get older, the cost of medical insurance rises rapidly. I think provincial health care boots you off the system after 6 months absence from the country. Takes about 3 months to be reinstated on the system upon return to Canada. Also, I believe CPP claws back a portion and it is a permanent change. In the whole scheme of things, probably not that significant, but something to be aware of. Keep meaning to join Canadian Snowbirds. Think they have a lot of info regarding do's and don'ts. Very interested to hear thoughts and information from others.

[vinny]

I would do some SERIOUS research and talk to people with actual first hand factual experience. Remember “The grass is always greener on the other side”

[glen moa]

Canada is toast.
Why doesn’t a country down south set up a welcome sign for us?

My main issue is It’s a long way back to visit family. Planes suck. But I know a few people that did it.

[lone wolf]

I came here as a young lad in 1984, originally as a foreign student and later stayed as a landed immigrant, finally becoming a full citizen in 2000. Originally I came from a culture where it was encouraged to hate and actively harm those of a different faith (despite the fact that we were all White Anglo Saxons) so in this context the values and (cultural) diversity here were a breath of fresh air. Canada has been incredibly good to me and I have ultimately become quite successful in my chosen career path. I have also been able to raise a family free from sectarian influence and with true freedom of speech and action. Unfortunately under the current leadership regime we are fast sliding toward a welfare state where power and influence are directed toward appeasing the minority voice. Current attempts to handcuff and penalize the "goose that lays the golden egg" (aka energy sector) are at best reprehensible. In short I have become very disillusioned with our great country and have started to wonder if I should up stakes and return to my roots. If I do there will be one hell of a gun sale as I will not be able to take them with me.

A proud (but disillusioned) Canadian.

[Selkirk]

Originally Posted by vinny

I would do some SERIOUS research and talk to people with actual first hand factual experience.

Remember “The grass is always greener on the other side”

And . . .





And . . .

If I was to consider leaving Canada again (which I won't), Mexico would be one of the 'Last' places I would consider ❗

Selkirk

[tbiddy]

My mom lives in Bucerias every winter for about 4-6 months. I’m 42, married and no kids. We want to move down there now but it always comes down to how does one make a living while down there. I worked with a guy that was a pipeline inspector. He would fly to Calgary, rent a truck and work his shift. On his 4 days off he’d fly back to Bucerias. He was in his 60’s. He no longer was eligible for Canadian healthcare but he said medical care was cheap in Mexico so he didn’t care.

When mom first started going down about 5 years ago she was renting a 2 bdrm, 2 bath place with a pool for $500/month. It was nothing fancy but was in a little complex full of Canadians. She’d just pay $6000 and keep it for the year. She’s moved around to a few other places over the years. It seems in Bucerias anyways prices are going up. I think one would need to go farther up the coast to save some money. Moving to a little, sleepy fishing village, becoming a local, staring at the ocean everyday sounds like a pretty nice life to me.

[lmtada]

Yup. 50 years of winters has taken its toll. Winters seem to be six months of Grey clouds, and white stuff on ground, along with the odd -40c temp. Mexico? Costa Rica? Chile? Argentina? Brazil?

[huntinstuff]

The reason Canada is in the state its in is because the public sucks. Allow me to explain.

We complain a lot about government. Trudeau, Harper, Mulroney, etc etc etc

The problem is, WE decide who gets to be in government by way of voting. WE are responsible for the issues Canada has.

The public are the worst bosses ever. We rarely know exactly who we vote for, we really dont know what they plan on doing, we dont properly interview these people for the job they applied for.

We put on our shoes every 4 years, stomp to a polling station, and mark an "X" beside some persons name and figure we've accomplished something. Did our civic duty. And EVEN THAT takes too much effort for some because people want to vote online. How lazy.

Then we sit back and allow these people to take responsibility for hundreds of billions of OUR dollars to seemingly do as they please....

What boss in their right mind would do that? One that doesnt really care I presume.

Canada has a lot to offer, but the public fails to ensure that. Every few years we let the pendulum swing too far one way or the other rather than ensuring it stays closer to the middle.

That in turn causes division.

We complain about corporations getting tax breaks, when its these same corporations that we support through our purchases, or our investments or because we work for them. Does ANYONE here know exactly where their RRSP or other financial portfolio money goes?

Our apathy is what kills us. Our failure to properly interview politicians for the job they seek is our ultimate failure. We are getting what we deserve.

Any politician running for a position that shows up to a public forum with a prepared speech should be cast aside. They should be questioned by those in attendance and gauged on their answer. Prepared speeches are a clear sign that this person wants to talk, but not listen. Red flag. Honestly, how many of you have ever applied for a job and the main premise was you ANSWERING QUESTIONS?? Likely the vast majority. Why do we allow politicians to give a speech, we clap and go home? Is that any way to be a boss? Apathy.

Canada has it all. It's here. The resources, the brains, the hard working attitude. We as the public need to up our game.

Now that being said, weather does suck. Cant control it. Tropical locations have it too. Nowhere is great all the time.

The moment Canadians become less self centered, become more aware of things beyond their front door, and take an active role in the governance of this country, the sooner things will improve. We have to be better bosses.

Next election, regardless of whether its municipal, provincial, or federal, I challenge you to attend whatever forum and ask a question. If you sit there and listen rather than speak, I beg you to ask yourself "Am I being DICTATED to by this person"?

Because if you are, your troubles are about to start again. Forget change. Youve just given this person the green light to do as they please. And as a boss, you suck.

[Dean2]

I was born in Canada, raised in France and moved back to Canada when I was still in Junior high. I have worked and traveled extensively all over the world. I could have lived anywhere in the world I wanted to when I was working, and even more so now that I am retired.

I live where I do completely by choice. If I were to look at moving out of Canada it would be to civilized locations like the Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Switzerland, Norway, Finland, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Argentina or maybe even the U.S.. If I wanted warmer climate and something a little exotic I would be looking at Indonesia, Thailand maybe even Vietnam. The last place on earth I would ever consider is Mexico. It makes the middle east or Afghanistan seem like a peaceful place to live.

[hayseed]

I will be buying a place in Costa Rica.

I have a few years to go to retire, but that is a for sure thing.
Have been going down there for years, we have friends that live there, have travelled the country.

Love the people, love the whole place.

Counting the days...

[CDNOutdoorsman]

Originally Posted by hayseed

I will be buying a place in Costa Rica.

I have a few years to go to retire, but that is a for sure thing.
Have been going down there for years, we have friends that live there, have travelled the country.

Love the people, love the whole place.

Counting the days...

Hayseed, Can you tell me more about Costa Rica? I am hoping to take my family, wife and 3 kids (10, 12 &13) there for a vacation. 10-14 days. I have heard so many great things about costa Rica that I think that is where I would like to go but I wouldn't know where to start looking.
Do you have any recommendations as far as places, VRBO, hotel, all inclusive or stay away, activities/tours?
Thanks in advance.

CDN

[HuyFishin]

Mexico vacation yes!
living in mexico is a no no.

Corruption is everywhere, its just worse in mexico. If you dont want the snow then move to Vancouver island. Canada's version of paradise on an island away from everyone. People are relaxed and living on island time. Beautiful wild life and amazing fishing.

[Jim Blake]

Originally Posted by CDNOutdoorsman

Hayseed, Can you tell me more about Costa Rica? I am hoping to take my family, wife and 3 kids (10, 12 &13) there for a vacation. 10-14 days. I have heard so many great things about costa Rica that I think that is where I would like to go but I wouldn't know where to start looking.
Do you have any recommendations as far as places, VRBO, hotel, all inclusive or stay away, activities/tours?
Thanks in advance.

CDN

We had friends that stayed in Hotel RIU Palace and Hotel RIU Guanacaste both in Papagayo...both all inclusive, water parks, family oriented. There is also a Planet Holywood not far away. They were happy with their stay.

Direct flights to Liberia then a short drive to the Resorts. Tons of activities.

Check them out on Trip Advisor and also go to the "ask question" section.

[Jim Blake]

Originally Posted by hayseed

I will be buying a place in Costa Rica.

I have a few years to go to retire, but that is a for sure thing.
Have been going down there for years, we have friends that live there, have travelled the country.

Love the people, love the whole place.

Counting the days...

Costa Rica is great!! We go in December and come back in April. Haven't thought of buying, we just rent. We have rented in Jaco and Tamarindo but this trip moved up to Papagayo. I like renting as we can choose to stay in different parts of the Country. Maybe next year the Caribbean side. Great fishing! Lots of other things to do.

However I don't think I could live year round....Grandbabies, hunting, fishing here in Canada and abroad I just couldn't miss out.

[omega50]

Originally Posted by Jim Blake

Costa Rica is great!! We go in December and come back in April. Haven't thought of buying, we just rent. We have rented in Jaco and Tamarindo but this trip moved up to Papagayo. I like renting as we can choose to stay in different parts of the Country. Maybe next year the Caribbean side. Great fishing! Lots of other things to do.

However I don't think I could live year round....Grandbabies, hunting, fishing here in Canada and abroad I just couldn't miss out.

One of my chef buddies moved to Costa Rica in 2007 and works as a realtor for Remax Tres Amigos in Playa Hermosa.
Curious what a decent place rents for in Papagayo? How does it compare to the other places you have rented in Jaco and Tamarindo?

[skain11]

Great topic and thread...seems the older we get the more we don't enjoy winter like we used to. I am 61 and we too are working on a retirement plan. I still think Canada is one of the best places to grow a family and am proud to support the maple leaf internationally. Sure we all whine about the various levels of government and the weather but our houses are heated, we have decent roads and emergency services and we have haven't starved yet.

It seems out west here the most popular retirement spots are the Okanagan and Vancouver Island. Both have pros and cons. Lot's of friends go to Arizona or Palm Springs, I have never been to either and am not a big fan of Trumplandia (except I do like Montana).

And of course there are the variables like kids, grandkids, easy access, residential limits ( US 180 days), safety and health costs.

I hear you can live in Costa Rica for $1500 per month, told the wife we can afford to live for there for 40 years, after that she is on her own.

[7mmremmag]

Me and the wife have been researching Vietnam alot lately for retirement.
We are a long way off both being 35, and having 4 & 6 year old kids.
But I know I definitely will be spending a large portion of my year in another country when the time comes.

[NinjaHunter]

What if I told you that the reason Canada is becoming a welfare paradise (crapshot) is because the majority of Canadians wants their gib me dats? Who in turn vote in politicians to enact that will.

So much for universal suffrage.

[patriot11]

Yep. GF and I are seriously considering it as well. I have never been to a tropical destination but she has several times. The Turd Reich took over our country the year I turned 40. I am repulsed at the thought of my living my entire 40's under this incompetent liberal government. Giving it all up to work a petty job somewhere warm, live minimally near a beach and live out our days surfing sounds better and better each time this POS makes the news for further destroying our country. Ideally we would like to be the frigg outta here before she turns 40. We're nowhere near well off enough to do it but, I literally would wash dishes or shovel manure in a place like Costa Rica at this point.

[GoFlames]

Would move to a warmer climate right now if I had the money. Canada has a good healthcare system and a peaceful stable society but other than that it's a cold and boring place to live.

[Dean2]

Originally Posted by patriot11

Yep. GF and I are seriously considering it as well. I have never been to a tropical destination but she has several times. The Turd Reich took over our country the year I turned 40. I am repulsed at the thought of my living my entire 40's under this incompetent liberal government. Giving it all up to work a petty job somewhere warm, live minimally near a beach and live out our days surfing sounds better and better each time this POS makes the news for further destroying our country. Ideally we would like to be the frigg outta here before she turns 40. We're nowhere near well off enough to do it but, I literally would wash dishes or shovel manure in a place like Costa Rica at this point.

Having Canadian income levels in the places u are talking about is one thing. I can tell u for absolute sure, being poor in most warm third world countries truly sucks. You also better hope u never get sick in most of those locals if you are washing dishes for a living.

You can live well on CPP in many places but u can't live well on local wages.

[Mavrick]

Nope I won’t go anywhere, I’ll stay and fight for my kids and grandchildren to have a better life. Besides I’m 60 and winter has never got old for me, I hunt rabbits, coyotes, hike, snowshoe, ice fish, it’s a great playground. Being a 5th generation Canadian I’ll do what my family has always done, work hard and give hope for the next 5 generations.

[playwell]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

Nope I won’t go anywhere, I’ll stay and fight for my kids and grandchildren to have a better life. Besides I’m 60 and winter has never got old for me, I hunt rabbits, coyotes, hike, snowshoe, ice fish, it’s a great playground. Being a 5th generation Canadian I’ll do what my family has always done, work hard and give hope for the next 5 generations.

Exactly my thought. I am a 4th generation Albertan and none of my ancestors retired to Mexico. Even if they could have, they wouldn't have because they valued family #1, just as I do.

There are actually 2 in our family who retired to Costa Rica and Mexico. They are viewed as lazy and selfish. They are also the two that didn't have children. They wanted to have fun, retire early, and live the easy life. Is the grass any greener for them? No. The kind of happiness you can get from doing drugs and lying on the beach is a shallow one that grows old quickly.