Myth busters

[bat119]

A bullet doesn't reach full speed for the first 50 yards, same guy told me to swallow 4 shotgun pellets 3 times a day to cure boils he didn't say what size.

Shooting a gas tank makes it explode

Hollywood is responsible for all firearm myths and most of our gun regulations.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by chuck

A myth busting thread full of new myths. :-)

Is that really a surprise? I wonder if that will lead to more threads, to discuss the new myths?

[obsessed1]

Originally Posted by TBark

The heavier bullet theory,

Someone told me...

They will hit slightly higher than lighter bullets because they are slightly slower leaving the barrel, and as the barrel kicks up,

barrel will be a hair higher, so it’ll hit higher.

Anyone believe this?



TBark

This is one theory, it has merit, it can also simply be a matter barrel harmonics. Personally I fell this is likely more likely as a different bullet might strike right, left, higher or lower without much ability to predict its poi.

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[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by fps plus

All you myth busters are ruining my day , next I suppose you are gonna tell me there is no Santa !

That's okay to believe in Santa fps plus, there are people out there believing that Trudeau is good for this Canada!
Cat

[obsessed1]

How about understanding bullet weight based on caliber for hunting purposes. IE..
I hear people say you should shoot a 180gr in a 308, because its slightly under powered....so need heavier bullet to get the job done. But you should shoot a 150gr in 300wm because you get so much speed =much flatter trajectory and it's much more powerful so you don't need a heavy bullet to get the job done on game.

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[brewster29]

Originally Posted by TBark

The heavier bullet theory,
Someone told me...
They will hit slightly higher than lighter bullets because they are slightly slower leaving the barrel, and as the barrel kicks up,
barrel will be a hair higher, so it’ll hit higher.
Anyone believe this?

TBark

This definitely can be true in a handgun. I know my 44 mag S&W 629 prints 240's several inches higher than 180's at 50 yds. Revolvers really torque upwards compared to rifles, since the grip centre is well below the bore.

[cody j]

Originally Posted by brewster29

This definitely can be true in a handgun. I know my 44 mag S&W 629 prints 240's several inches higher than 180's at 50 yds. Revolvers really torque upwards compared to rifles, since the grip centre is well below the bore.

Quite a while ago I used some 180s in my 44, I couldn’t remember if they shot high or low, but I do remember they hit much different than the 240s

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by chuck

Myth…..you can never recover Barnes bullets.

Fact….

your shooting steel out at 500 yards and collecting them...fact or myth?

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

your shooting steel out at 500 yards and collecting them...fact or myth?

Myth. Every one of those bullets were pulled from a dead animal. I don’t save bullets retrieved from the dirt.

[Positrac]

Originally Posted by chuck

Myth. Every one of those bullets were pulled from a dead animal. I don’t save bullets retrieved from the dirt.

You should start shooting them when they are broadside to you….Bahahaha!

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Positrac

You should start shooting them when they are broadside to you….Bahahaha!

But I thought when using Barnes bullets you wait for the Texas heart shot?
Fact or myth ?


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[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

But I thought when using Barnes bullets you wait for the Texas heart shot?
Fact or myth ?


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Who cares where you start? It’s where you end up that matters.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Positrac

You should start shooting them when they are broadside to you….Bahahaha!

They represent about a 10% recovery rate.

[rugerfan]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

Fact, all legal ammunition will work effectively if the shooter does his job properly.

I believe that while true for most factory loads and many common bullets there are combinations that simply cannot be expected to perform effectively on game.
I had a custom 257 wby that would push a 75gr v-max to nearly 4300 FPS, perfectly legal, but I wouldn’t expect the bullet to hold up on a paper target, let alone get lethal penetration on a game animal.

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by rugerfan

I believe that while true for most factory loads and many common bullets there are combinations that simply cannot be expected to perform effectively on game.
I had a custom 257 wby that would push a 75gr v-max to nearly 4300 FPS, perfectly legal, but I wouldn’t expect the bullet to hold up on a paper target, let alone get lethal penetration on a game animal.

If you don't think it will, it's wise to not try.

I don't know much about the 257. I do know for fact that a 85gr 6mm bullet launched at 3100 fps will drop a Bear in it's tracks. And kill a Moose with one hit, if well placed.

I have photos of that bullet dropping a Bear at about 100 paces and watched it happen for several other Bears. I know the owner of that rifle shot a Moose this fall and a couple of other years with that rifle bullet combination.

But I'm told that just because it worked one time or a few times does not mean it's a good choice or even an ethical choice.

It is my understanding that if a bullet fails once it's not a good choice or ethical to use it again.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by chuck

Who cares where you start? It’s where you end up that matters.

What about the journey

Fact Barnes makes a hell of a bullet!

[obsessed1]

Myth.....target bullets are good choices for hunting use as they have the correct terminal ballistic characteristics for clean humain kills...they are also really accurate...

Sorry just couldn't resist...

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[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by obsessed1

Myth.....target bullets are good choices for hunting use as they have the correct terminal ballistic characteristics for clean humain kills...they are also really accurate...

Sorry just couldn't resist...

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I heard that one too.

But I learned something from it.
I had ordered 700 match grade primers several months ago. They were on back order most of the summer but they came in two days ago.

I called the store to see if they'd take them back but they wouldn't so I dropped them all in a bucket of oil.

I know I could have sold them but they are not marked, for target shooting only and I was afraid they might wind up in the hands of someone who would use them in hunting loads.

So I figured the only responsible thing to do was to destroy them.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

I heard that one too.

But I learned something from it.
I had ordered 700 match grade primers several months ago. They were on back order most of the summer but they came in two days ago.

I called the store to see if they'd take them back but they wouldn't so I dropped them all in a bucket of oil.

I know I could have sold them but they are not marked, for target shooting only and I was afraid they might wind up in the hands of someone who would use them in hunting loads.

So I figured the only responsible thing to do was to destroy them.

Now that is quite the myth, not at all believable, and it makes no sense, but quite the myth.

[obsessed1]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

I heard that one too.



But I learned something from it.

I had ordered 700 match grade primers several months ago. They were on back order most of the summer but they came in two days ago.



I called the store to see if they'd take them back but they wouldn't so I dropped them all in a bucket of oil.



I know I could have sold them but they are not marked, for target shooting only and I was afraid they might wind up in the hands of someone who would use them in hunting loads.



So I figured the only responsible thing to do was to destroy them.

Lol keg....I just couldn't resist..
Your free to swing any ways you choose..my choices are based off my experience. And yes I have experienced it...it failed I learned the lesson and I moved on. There's other lessons out there that I havent learned for myself but rather trust the experience of others who have paid the tuition and took their advice. You know something I'd almost bet you that target bullets will work 85-90% of the time...but that 5% will be a real western rodeo..since I don't ride bucking stock anymore I'd rather not have the rodeo myself...your welcome to grab that bronc by the rigging and see if you can stay put for the full 8 seconds....

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[DirtShooter]

This reminds me of listening to gun counters at wholesale sports and now cabelas hahaha good thread

[EZM]

The Creedmoor can make any man into a sniper ..... you can spine shoot a running deer off hand 300yards 9/10 times

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by EZM

The Creedmoor can make any man into a sniper ..... you can spine shoot a running deer off hand 300yards 9/10 times

And that is after drinking a double double on the way out.

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by obsessed1

Lol keg....I just couldn't resist..
Your free to swing any ways you choose..my choices are based off my experience. And yes I have experienced it...it failed I learned the lesson and I moved on. There's other lessons out there that I havent learned for myself but rather trust the experience of others who have paid the tuition and took their advice. You know something I'd almost bet you that target bullets will work 85-90% of the time...but that 5% will be a real western rodeo..since I don't ride bucking stock anymore I'd rather not have the rodeo myself...your welcome to grab that bronc by the rigging and see if you can stay put for the full 8 seconds....

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I hear you.

Matter of fact I'm running out of bullets to chose from. Almost every one has failed me at one time or another.

I totally agree, it wouldn't be good to use a bullet type that has failed.

Fortunately there are so many to choose from I still have a few options left.

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by obsessed1

Lol keg....I just couldn't resist..
Your free to swing any ways you choose..my choices are based off my experience. And yes I have experienced it...it failed I learned the lesson and I moved on. There's other lessons out there that I havent learned for myself but rather trust the experience of others who have paid the tuition and took their advice. You know something I'd almost bet you that target bullets will work 85-90% of the time...but that 5% will be a real western rodeo..since I don't ride bucking stock anymore I'd rather not have the rodeo myself...your welcome to grab that bronc by the rigging and see if you can stay put for the full 8 seconds....

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I am so glad you admitted that. See I had thought I was innocent of making that mistake.
When the subject first came up I could not recall ever using Match grade ammo for anything and I must admit I felt a tiny bit proud of that.

But in truth I was thinking big game ammo and I am certain I have never seen any factory Match grade ammo or used it in any big game rifle and I know for certain I've never handloaded any.

But I was wrong I have used match grade ammo on animals.

Just this evening I happened upon an empty ,22 ammo box under my reloading bench and guess what, it was match ammo.

I am so ashamed of myself. I can't believe I was so thoughtless as to use it on wildlife, but I did. I shot some Squirrels with it way back when.

But knowing you made the same mistake makes me feel a little better.
Maybe I shouldn't, after all I did kill some Squirrels with it and yes I even wounded a few. So you were right, they do fail.
I did not let them suffer of course, a quick follow up fixed that. But I can't claim those bullets were 100% effective.

I promise, I will never use such ammo again.

Moreover I promise I will never use hunting ammo for target practice. Because as was pointed out to me, it's unethical to use any ammo for a purpose it was not designed for.

I am so glad I have AO to come to to learn about these things, from people like you.

Your vast store of knowledge is so appreciated.

Thank you for setting me straight.

[brewster29]

Originally Posted by EZM

The Creedmoor can make any man into a sniper ..... you can spine shoot a running deer off hand 300yards 9/10 times

Must be something to that…I was at my LGS this morning and a customer was telling the salesman that he shot his deer this year at 1153 yds with his 6.5 Creedmoor. He claims he was using 143 Eldx. My ballistic calculator shows 420” drop with a 200 yd zero, remaining velocity of 677 fps. Hmmm. Think I will dump my 7 STW.

[fishnguy]

Keg, you sound like you are on the sauce, really. You asked for the other thread to be locked as there was no purpose for you to continue, why continue in another, someone else’s, thread?

[KegRiver]

Take it easy dude, we's jus funnin each oder!

Don't ch know satire when you see it!

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by DirtShooter

This reminds me of listening to gun counters at wholesale sports and now cabelas hahaha good thread

Or at a gun show of days gone by....

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by EZM

The Creedmoor can make any man into a sniper ..... you can spine shoot a running deer off hand 300yards 9/10 times

The myth is that anyone actually said this.