ATVs/Vehicles Before Noon - Page 3

Bushleague · #61 09-26-2014, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 58thecat

You just did

As for this rule, it is odd, not before noon but after noon it is o.k? Kinda like the archery thingy you need to carry and hunt with a bow and only pertains to a bow but that is another thread. Swear to god they better legalize pot so that the powers that be can come out of the closet!

I love this rule, in many of the zones where it is in place before noon is the only time when a hunter can watch a cutline without being bothered. I don't understand why its so hard for some to understand this rule, give the hunters on foot half a day of peace and quiet and then you can go stir things up all you want. Seems more or less fair.

bigjohncdn · #62 09-26-2014, 11:22 AM

It would appear the regs might be able to be more clearly written.

The main thing to remember is hunting regs apply when hunting only.

Federal transportation and storage regs apply at all times.

Mike_W · #63 09-26-2014, 11:25 AM

What would the rule be if you have shot an animal and are using a OHV to retrieve it and you want/need a gun for bear defense?
Carry the now expired licence and wildlife cert?

Bushleague · #64 09-26-2014, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike_W

What would the rule be if you have shot an animal and are using a OHV to retrieve it and you want/need a gun for bear defense?
Carry the now expired licence and wildlife cert?

Not sure, but my opinion would be to suck it up.

diamonddave · #65 09-26-2014, 11:27 AM

Nope not allowed Mike, there are no exceptions for that situation.

HMG · #66 09-26-2014, 11:35 AM

I personally love this rule. It's the first thing I look for when checkng regs in a new zone. It allows hunters(like myself) who enjoy hiking in the early morning an equal chance at game, and it still allows for people to haul their game out of the bush in the afternoon with a quad if they so desire. Seems like a fair trade off between those of us who would like to see no quads at all and those who love their quad hunting.

Mike_W · #67 09-26-2014, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by diamonddave

Nope not allowed Mike, there are no exceptions for that situation.

Where is this stated? ....So you have a downed animal and therefore no tag to hunt with when are you "hunting" and when are you just "quadding"

Mikezilk · #68 09-26-2014, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike_W

Where is this stated? ....So you have a downed animal and therefore no tag to hunt with when are you "hunting" and when are you just "quadding"

If there is a big game season in effect, you are not allowed. And you have been hunting because you are retrieving downed game. That is part of hunting

diamonddave · #69 09-26-2014, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike_W

Where is this stated? ....So you have a downed animal and therefore no tag to hunt with when are you "hunting" and when are you just "quadding"

The regs are very straight forward about the "only time you can" ride your Quad with a gun. They don't list all the times you can't.

Lefty-Canuck · #70 09-26-2014, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikezilk

If there is a big game season in effect, you are not allowed. And you have been hunting because you are retrieving downed game. That is part of hunting

You can retrieve game before noon, with a quad....leave the firearm with the guy who is walking out, or lock it in your truck in accordance with the laws.

LC

Mikezilk · #71 09-26-2014, 12:11 PM

lol.. or get the guy walking out to help you pull it out like we all grew up doing.

I gave my quad away last year... never used it.. would rather hike in to my spot in the morning drag my deer out to the road. I hate that so many people have no respect for the environment and run their quads in places that should never see a quad

Lefty-Canuck · #72 09-26-2014, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikezilk

lol.. or get the guy walking out to help you pull it out like we all grew up doing.

I gave my quad away last year... never used it.. would rather hike in to my spot in the morning drag my deer out to the road. I hate that so many people have no respect for the environment and run their quads in places that should never see a quad

Was just presenting the legal scenario...not judging those who want to use a tool legally.

LC

Mike_W · #73 09-26-2014, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikezilk

lol.. or get the guy walking out to help you pull it out like we all grew up doing.

I gave my quad away last year... never used it.. would rather hike in to my spot in the morning drag my deer out to the road. I hate that so many people have no respect for the environment and run their quads in places that should never see a quad

Lol I would have loved to see you drag my elk out this year. Pfft deer lol.

Small Paul · #74 09-26-2014, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

You can retrieve game before noon, with a quad....leave the firearm with the guy who is walking out, or lock it in your truck in accordance with the laws.

LC

That or leave your firearm out at your hunting location and ride to it

csmith78 · #75 09-26-2014, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Small Paul

That or leave your firearm out at your hunting location and ride to it

Good comment...just make sure your not coming back until noon.

elkhunter11 · #76 09-26-2014, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Small Paul

That or leave your firearm out at your hunting location and ride to it

Just make sure that it is legally stored.

Mike_W · #77 09-26-2014, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by diamonddave

The regs are very straight forward about the "only time you can" ride your Quad with a gun. They don't list all the times you can't.

Correct but at what point are you hunting any longer? I feel the hunt is over when the tag is on the animal therefore the rule is void. If I do not possess a valid tag for a big game animal no longer am I still hunting?

This year with my bull elk for instance once it was down I tagged it gutted it and hiked out. Grab a quad and trailer from camp some "gutting clothes", game bags and other supplies then headed back into the bush I left my gun in the truck and half way there I thought dang I should have some sort of protection and then considered the regulations.
Not sure of the legalities but a quad with a tub trailer and all the supplies to quarter an animal. It was pretty obvious that I was not hunting (especially without a gun) but would have I been carrying a gun would I have been breaking the law? I think this is a grey area and like many laws there are "grey areas" left to a game warden or police officer to decipher. Maybe the grey areas are left so that the regulations cannot be abused.

All that said had I been carrying a gun and ran into a game warden I seriously doubt I would have been given any sort of infraction.

diamonddave · #78 09-26-2014, 01:23 PM

[QUOTE=Mike_W;2560972]Correct but at what point are you hunting any longer? I feel the hunt is over when the tag is on the animal therefore the rule is void. If I do not possess a valid tag for a big game animal no longer am I still hunting?

The bolded part is what you are having an issue mike, it has nothing to do with weather you have decided you are hunting or not.

Lefty-Canuck · #79 09-26-2014, 01:35 PM

Agreed what you feel personally has no bearing on the laws. Read the definition of hunting in the regs.

LC

wildside2014 · #80 09-26-2014, 01:55 PM

[QUOTE=diamonddave;2560980]

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Originally Posted by Mike_W

Correct but at what point are you hunting any longer? I feel the hunt is over when the tag is on the animal therefore the rule is void. If I do not possess a valid tag for a big game animal no longer am I still hunting?

The bolded part is what you are having an issue mike, it has nothing to do with weather you have decided you are hunting or not.

So after a deer is down, and the crew gathers for a celebratory cold one in the field....you are also breaking a law? Cant hunt under the influence of alcohol.

bigd · #81 09-26-2014, 02:04 PM

[QUOTE=wildside2014;2561014]

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Originally Posted by diamonddave

So after a deer is down, and the crew gathers for a celebratory cold one in the field....you are also breaking a law? Cant hunt under the influence of alcohol.

Not supposed to drink in a public place either...lol.

Mike_W · #82 09-26-2014, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

Agreed what you feel personally has no bearing on the laws. Read the definition of hunting in the regs.

LC

Maybe I am missing it as I am only looking on my phone but I cannot find a definition for "hunting" in the regulations.

If someone can quote it for me that would be great.

diamonddave · #83 09-26-2014, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike_W

Maybe I am missing it as I am only looking on my phone but I cannot find a definition for "hunting" in the regulations.

If someone can quote it for me that would be great.

Mike it doesn't have anything to do with hunting.

DCse7en · #84 09-26-2014, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike_W

Where is this stated? ....So you have a downed animal and therefore no tag to hunt with when are you "hunting" and when are you just "quadding"

Game retrieval is still hunting.

DCse7en · #85 09-26-2014, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by diamonddave

Mike it doesn't have anything to do with hunting.

I believe reads as follows but Not positive...it is unlawful to transport a weapon on an off highway vehicle between the hours of one hour before sunrise and noon that same day.

This is in the wildlife act, and is not limited to hunting activity. It applies all year, not just during hunting season, and not just to hunters.

I don't think you would win an argument if you were confronted by a conservation officer while quad ding with a weapon before noon.....the fine is minimal, and there is no suspension for a first offence. It is a violation ticket, just like speeding.

diamonddave · #86 09-26-2014, 02:21 PM

[QUOTE=bigd;2561022]

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Originally Posted by wildside2014

Not supposed to drink in a public place either...lol.

I never said what you quoted .....

wildside2014 · #87 09-26-2014, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DCse7en

Game retrieval is still hunting.

So going back to another thread regarding cameramen. So when I get my buddy to help me drag outa deer, who has never and will never own a tag, he is illegally hunting eh?

Or the countless guys without ram tags that team up to help their buddy harvest a draw ram, they too are operating illegally?