speeding in BC

[New Hunter Okotoks]

Originally Posted by Rod1960

PARDON!? Jr. Hotrodder goes out and gets a car/truck/bike that goes from 0 to mach stupid in 3 seconds and drives beyond his or her skill level and that's not going to cause an accident at some point? Yeah....I want more of that on the road.....

Thanks for proving my point. The speed is not what kills but rather the inexperience and driving beyond their abilities.

If speed kills,what's the speed at which we die? If some idiot is not paying attention, that is not the fault of speed but the fault of the driver. It does not take a whole lot of speed for a pedestrian to be killed in a crosswalk. Nor does driving 40 over on the highway guarantee spontaneous death.

[Photoplex]

Originally Posted by tractor1971

I had the privilege to have driven in more than 13 international countries, and nowhere but in Canada will you get a ticket for exceeding the speed while passing safely.

Absolute horsesh!t. Take it from someone who has LIVED in 7 countries around the world, that breaking the law is breaking the law, and you do get tickets for breaking the speed laws whether you think it was justified or not.

[Got Juice?]

Originally Posted by alodar

Why do u need to pass someone doing the speed limit maybe your head needs the shake. You save very little time 6 minutes an hour roughly. In a 10 hour drive u could save one hour big whoop so instead of risking your life to save an hour why not try something radical like leave an hour earlier speeding never pays off even if you don't get killed you lose more time by getting pulled over not to mention money people like you make these laws nessicary along with the street racers what you are doing is called dangerous driving no matter how you try and spin it

Oh please, if you are going to pick nits about something, how about your lack of punctuation and run-on sentence structure?

Originally Posted by birchy

Posts like this always make me chuckle.. tell someone they "forgot to take their smart pills", and then completely contradict yourself with incorrect math. Classic! I'll let you figure it out..

Bottom line - speeding is speeding. Whenever I hear people complaining about speeding tickets, I always ask: "Were you speeding?" "Yes." "Then why are you complaining?" Every choice has consequences, either good or bad. We learn this as children, and yet sometimes 'forget' it as adults.

It's calving season, and if the math is off slightly that is just fine with me. Next time I see an Albertan plate trying to pass someone going 10KPH faster I will know to wave at you

Originally Posted by LongBomber

Once I get to the strip I just wait for the Elko hills... the diesel doesn't lose any speed on them. If you see a slowpoke in a maroon dodge, give a wave, it might be me.

Will do! I'll be driving my 'slow' Diesel as well

[Got Juice?]

Originally Posted by New Hunter Okotoks

Thanks for proving my point. The speed is not what kills but rather the inexperience and driving beyond their abilities.

If speed kills,what's the speed at which we die? If some idiot is not paying attention, that is not the fault of speed but the fault of the driver. It does not take a whole lot of speed for a pedestrian to be killed in a crosswalk. Nor does driving 40 over on the highway guarantee spontaneous death.

Another good post NHO!

[Got Juice?]

100Km/hr=30 meters per second

120Km/hr=33 meters per second

You need 100 meters spacing to pass safely (in front of and behind the target vehicle)
If the vehicle in front is 4 meters long, and yours is a truck like mine (cc 4x4 lb) you need to add another 7 meters to that.

So if both vehicles are travelling the same route (vector math here) you need to traverse not only 100 meters, but your vehicle lengths as well.

Therefore what you need to pass safely is 111 meters distance, and your speed differential is only 3 meters per second.

111/3= 37 seconds of exposed time in the oncoming lane. So for the fella who thinks my math skills are flawed, up yer kilt there bud

The most telling thing here is vehicle B getting passed by vehicle A
Speed differential gives us the total passing time, but the actual distance traversed is 1.3 KM!!!!

Again addressing that issue, show me a 2 lane road with that kind of distance, passing in a safe manner, in BC with no oncoming traffic.

There are not many.

[Got Juice?]

Originally Posted by Photoplex

Absolute horsesh!t. Take it from someone who has LIVED in 7 countries around the world, that breaking the law is breaking the law, and you do get tickets for breaking the speed laws whether you think it was justified or not.

Exactly.

It's not different than a gun, more than 5 rounds in your 20 round magazine instantly make you a danger to society, and you should be locked up.

In you vein of thinking we should RESTRICT all vehicles to a governed top speed of 100km/h

And make all vehicles capable of more than that PROHIBITED, needing a 12(6) License to drive.

[fordtruckin]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Then why isn't the legal limit 0.0? The point is that there is a legal limit.

I don't make the laws. I just know that you can be legally impaired below the legal limit. If you disagree I have a number of FINE DRE's and Crime lab people who deal with alcohol and its effects on driving that you could talk to.

[rugatika]

Just another reason to stay out of BC. Montanna/Idaho are nicer, treat their tourists like gold, and aren't a bunch of socialists.

I used to do a bunch of work in FSJ area, and every year it seemed like they had some law they were enforcing on alberta plates. Gotta have a net over the box of your truck, everything inside the cab has to be strapped down etc etc etc etc. Not worth the hassle of going there.

[AbAngler]

Originally Posted by Got Juice?

100Km/hr=30 meters per second

120Km/hr=33 meters per second

You need 100 meters spacing to pass safely (in front of and behind the target vehicle)
If the vehicle in front is 4 meters long, and yours is a truck like mine (cc 4x4 lb) you need to add another 7 meters to that.

So if both vehicles are travelling the same route (vector math here) you need to traverse not only 100 meters, but your vehicle lengths as well.

Therefore what you need to pass safely is 111 meters distance, and your speed differential is only 3 meters per second.

111/3= 37 seconds of exposed time in the oncoming lane. So for the fella who thinks my math skills are flawed, up yer kilt there bud

The most telling thing here is vehicle B getting passed by vehicle A
Speed differential gives us the total passing time, but the actual distance traversed is 1.3 KM!!!!

Again addressing that issue, show me a 2 lane road with that kind of distance, passing in a safe manner, in BC with no oncoming traffic.

There are not many.

Lots of Albertans have beaten BC tickets using this argument. There is actually a recommended safe passing distance in the BC safe driving book they give to all people taking their license test. When you take into account passing a rig for example, which is pretty long, you HAVE to go 140km/h+ to do it safely according to their own book.

I know quite a few guys in car clubs who get picked on driving the BC roads in their fancy cars. They beat more tickets then the BC gov would like to admit....

[Ray]

I understand the rationale for the law. Unfortunately, when an arbitrary number is used (i.e. 40KMPH over the limit) it opens the door to allow enforcement where it is easiest (read:cash cow) rather than where it was originally aimed.

I think there is a big difference between two people street racing and someone trying to pass as quickly and safely as possible while allowing other drivers who are also backed up behind a truck or a motorhome to do the same. An arbitrary law takes away the responsibilty of the LEO to exercise discretion.

Question. How can a person's vehicle be impounded soley on a charge? Isn't that punishing someone before they have had their day in court?

[Got Juice?]

Originally Posted by AbAngler

Lots of Albertans have beaten BC tickets using this argument. There is actually a recommended safe passing distance in the BC safe driving book they give to all people taking their license test. When you take into account passing a rig for example, which is pretty long, you HAVE to go 140km/h+ to do it safely according to their own book.

I know quite a few guys in car clubs who get picked on driving the BC roads in their fancy cars. They beat more tickets then the BC gov would like to admit....

I live here and have personally beaten 3 tickets like that with the same argument in court.

Once you can show the judge the actual figures, times and distance needed to make such a pass the case gets dismissed.


The thing is, more tickets should be given out for following too close than speeding. I love drivers that 'bunch up' on the highway. It leaves you NO opportunity to pass safely. And the worst of it is, the drivers are NOT leaving the required spacing behind the vehicle they are following!

[Got Juice?]

Originally Posted by Ray

Question. How can a person's vehicle be impounded soley on a charge? Isn't that punishing someone before they have had their day in court?

This is Canada. Charges first, then prove you are innocent. We are not like the US where you are presumed innocent until found guilty.

This law is a very broad brush that paints a target on everyone.

'Serve and Protect' has been superceded by 'Fine and Collect'

[Got Juice?]

150 KM/h is a safe (peak)passing speed.

41.67 meters per second. Same pass takes 9.5 seconds to complete safely. And does it in only 400m

After that speed, it is excessive IMHO (and quite possible deserve a ticket that reflects it)

[Ray]

Originally Posted by AbAngler

Lots of Albertans have beaten BC tickets using this argument. There is actually a recommended safe passing distance in the BC safe driving book they give to all people taking their license test. When you take into account passing a rig for example, which is pretty long, you HAVE to go 140km/h+ to do it safely according to their own book.

I know quite a few guys in car clubs who get picked on driving the BC roads in their fancy cars. They beat more tickets then the BC gov would like to admit....

So if you beat the ticket in court do you recover the impound fees as well as the 7 days of car rental and/or motel costs? (I know. Stupid question.)

[Got Juice?]

Originally Posted by Ray

So if you beat the ticket in court do you recover the impound fees as well as the 7 days of car rental and/or motel costs? (I know. Stupid question.)

Impound fees yes. Motel and Rental no way.

[AbAngler]

Originally Posted by Ray

So if you beat the ticket in court do you recover the impound fees as well as the 7 days of car rental and/or motel costs? (I know. Stupid question.)

Thats a good question. I know one of the Porsche guys had his car impounded for like a month. I know he beat the charges, but I don't know the details or if he was compensated. It was in the Penticton news paper as the whole club got stopped. I will ask next time I see him.

[Ray]

Originally Posted by Got Juice?

Impound fees yes. Motel and Rental no way.

I think that at some point they will nail a lawyer with the time and will to fight this thing higher.

[BlackHeart]

Speeding is now the greatest crime in the BC....and it took them how long and how many kids before they caught Clifford Olsen......and how many women disappearing before the Picktons were caught........oh sorry they weren't speeding and there was no money in that.

Isn't it great that our law enforcement has been converted to revenue collection activities that focus on those with jobs and vehicles....man are these types of people a menace to society.....but at the same time there is no man power left for other stuff....because we all need more guys and vehicles sitting on the side of highways for hours trying to catch the biggest villian in society right now....the speeder.

And I am sure most pot growers don't speed with a load in the back....and the pot smokers may be too laid back to speed....not that I think pot is an evil....but it is against the law as well as speeding.....and I am sure there is more pot law breaking going on than there is speeding.

Now I am not saying that speeding and breaking those laws doesn't deserve a fine or tickets.....but my problem is the "Great Evil" that it is being made out to be and the very harsh punitive measures taken against it.......but its not really against it......its for the money.....which points to a the start of a breakdown in our system where the need for income (because so much was pizzed away on things like Olympic games) is so great that the law enforcement becomes focused on a minor evil with the most potential for the largest income stream.........there are much bigger problems in our society.....but this creates a new one and one that will make other problems much worse........and to ice the cake....makes the law enforcement process look parasitic and lacking credibility.....which results in lack of respect....and eventually to a much more "dog eat dog" society.

By focusing on one issue and squeezing it for money, we are inadvertantly starting the destruction of the society that we are trying to support financially.

And for those against speeding....I have no problem stopping the nuts and at the same time have done my share of speeding and have seen the idiots that put others lives in danger......just seems like a bit of overkill....or is it overbudget????

[Linehaul]

[QUOTE=New Hunter Okotoks;863312]This whole "Speed Kills" thing is absolute garbage. People not paying attention while driving is what causes collisions. A lot of cars today; basically anything with a V6 can easily get from 100 to over 160 km/h in seconds. A lot of the roads in B.C. do not have adequate passing lanes. If you get caught behind a couple of Super B's and or some "Blue Hairs" you cannot safely pass at 10 or 15 over the limit. If you're going to pass, then commit to it and put your foot in it. This is the safest way to overtake slower traffic. Now with the fear of ridiculous fines and impoundment, there will be huge slug trails of people driving through B.C. with Granny in the lead in her 1989 Tempo.

You got it correct speed doesn't kill it's the driver that is in care and control of the vehicle that is responsible for the killing.
Guns don't kill either!

[Got Juice?]

It is easiest to collect from people who have the most to lose.

Working people have to pay these fines etc, as losing their transpo could mean losing their job, and ability to make mortgage payments etc.

They got us by the shorts... and unfortunately the liberal leftarded have pushed this agenda for so long, it has become accepted as truth in some quarters of society.

[So Nova *!%]

Originally Posted by Fisherpeak

There is a lot of places here that you would have to be insane to drive that fast.We have corners and REAL big dropoffs.

lol what was the posted speed limit before ( P.E.)Trudeau decided to screw every business, and taxpayer with his imposed metric system? if I remember right out between Cranbrook and Creston was 50 or 60 MPH fast is relative to how you experience speed. 200 mph is a snail crawl to a fighter pilot I miss fast cars and Police that could be talked with.
( edit )Had to laugh at self just went out and looked how fast that was in Kphs LOL 50 ~ 80-85 Km 60~ 100 ish Km

[Mountain Guy]

Originally Posted by BlackHeart

Speeding is now the greatest crime in the BC....and it took them how long and how many kids before they caught Clifford Olsen......and how many women disappearing before the Picktons were caught........oh sorry they weren't speeding and there was no money in that.

Isn't it great that our law enforcement has been converted to revenue collection activities that focus on those with jobs and vehicles....man are these types of people a menace to society.....but at the same time there is no man power left for other stuff....because we all need more guys and vehicles sitting on the side of highways for hours trying to catch the biggest villian in society right now....the speeder.

And I am sure most pot growers don't speed with a load in the back....and the pot smokers may be too laid back to speed....not that I think pot is an evil....but it is against the law as well as speeding.....and I am sure there is more pot law breaking going on than there is speeding.

Now I am not saying that speeding and breaking those laws doesn't deserve a fine or tickets.....but my problem is the "Great Evil" that it is being made out to be and the very harsh punitive measures taken against it.......but its not really against it......its for the money.....which points to a the start of a breakdown in our system where the need for income (because so much was pizzed away on things like Olympic games) is so great that the law enforcement becomes focused on a minor evil with the most potential for the largest income stream.........there are much bigger problems in our society.....but this creates a new one and one that will make other problems much worse........and to ice the cake....makes the law enforcement process look parasitic and lacking credibility.....which results in lack of respect....and eventually to a much more "dog eat dog" society.

By focusing on one issue and squeezing it for money, we are inadvertantly starting the destruction of the society that we are trying to support financially.

And for those against speeding....I have no problem stopping the nuts and at the same time have done my share of speeding and have seen the idiots that put others lives in danger......just seems like a bit of overkill....or is it overbudget????

I agree for the most part BH that it's a easy money grab. Nothing new here that they focus on speeding and shy away from other crime for obvious reasons.
But, I'm never going to complain about this so called focus on speeding.
I agree there's way more important battles out there than speeding.
There's a simple solution to this speeding issue that I use.
Don't speed.....never have to worry

[doetracks]

Originally Posted by Mountain Guy

There's a simple solution to this speeding issue that I use.
Don't speed.....never have to worry

Agreed.

[twofifty]

What bugs me when driving at night in the mountains or areas inhabited by game animals (pretty well everywhere here) are the folk who insist on driving way beyond their ability to see what's ahead of them. Usually, those are the Alberta plates.

At night I will drive as slow as 80km/h -slower yet if there is a light fog- because I want to reduce the likelyhood of hitting an elk. Out here when it comes to hitting game it's not a matter of IF, it's WHEN.

Hitting an elk at 100 clicks or more is very bad news -it'll kill ya or knock you into oncoming traffic. Screaming around a sharp corner and piling into a rockslide or snowslide is just as deadly.

Of course, this means pulling over to let the fools get by.
No worries, I pull over as soon as there is enough shoulder to safely do so.

Anyone have problems with that?

[SonnyJ]

Originally Posted by Mountain Guy

There's a simple solution to this speeding issue that I use.
Don't speed.....never have to worry

I don't know about BC but here in Alberta you can pretty much get away with up to 9km over the limit on the highways.

[Mountain Guy]

Originally Posted by twofifty

What bugs me when driving at night in the mountains or areas inhabited by game animals (pretty well everywhere here) are the folk who insist on driving way beyond their ability to see what's ahead of them. Usually, those are the trucks with Alberta plates.At night I will drive as slow as 80km/h -slower yet if there is a light fog- because I want to reduce the likelyhood of hitting an elk. Out here when it comes to hitting game it's not a matter of IF, it's WHEN.

Hitting an elk at 100 clicks or more is very bad news -it'll kill ya or knock you into oncoming traffic. Screaming around a sharp corner and piling into a rockslide or snowslide is just as deadly.

Of course, this means pulling over to let the fools get by.
No worries, I pull over as soon as there is enough shoulder to safely do so.

Anyone have problems with that?

Ok...easy now.
You don't need to sound like the typical BC'er
There's lots of ''blue and white'' plates out there that are equally to blame.
Saying that, I have nothing against BC folks....but I am ultra-sensitive towards the anti-Alberta sentiment from BC folk.
We can go off on that tangent, about some experiences I've had out west...but for now I'll leave that one be...

[twofifty]

Ok-ok not the Alberta plates then. Gotta admit though that dissin' drivers from next door Provinces is a national sport - right after hockey.

Other times when I drive below the speed limit is when there is snow or ice on the road. And yes, I have good snow tires, studded even!

[bb356]

Originally Posted by Mountain Guy

Ok...easy now.
You don't need to sound like the typical BC'er
There's lots of ''blue and white'' plates out there that are equally to blame.
Saying that, I have nothing against BC folks....but I am ultra-sensitive towards the anti-Alberta sentiment from BC folk.
We can go off on that tangent, about some experiences I've had out west...but for now I'll leave that one be...

I actually with you there MG !!!

[wonka]

Remember that one??? Cash grab plain and simple. How many spots between fernie and cranbrook can you safely pass? How hard is it to sit there and wait for the would be driver. You wouldn't want the poor sobs to actually have to work for something would you? A few trips down any mountain highway will tell you exactly where people will try and pass.
Speed, for the most part is not the killer, the differential is. The fines for driving 20 under should be twice as much as far as I am concerned. The donkey leading the parade causes more wrecks than the guy trying to maintain 10 over, my favs are the ones that majically find the gas pedal as soon as they hit a passing lane.
For what its worth, the speed is set at a limit that everyone can maintain, from the fuzzy nutted teens to the blue haired cronies, and I'm quite aware of the fact that my abilities to control my vehicle are far better, at least for the next few years. Jump on anybody you want, especially over the net, but you don't have a sniff of anyones driving ability, yet feel free to tell them at what speed they are safe.
Distracted driving .. how about the gestapo themselves... I'm sorry, but no amount of training makes it safe to run the cruizers laptop and drive, something I've seen many times.

[howlin]

good points wonka" my favs are the ones that majically find the gas pedal as soon as they hit a passing lane" i hate when that happens.