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01-25-2020, 04:30 PM
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It took me 6 weeks to get back CWD results.
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01-25-2020, 05:05 PM
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I wish it was only 6 weeks. 8 weeks and still waiting
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01-25-2020, 07:26 PM
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So dumb question.
What do you do if its positive, has anyone ate it anyways, and what have you done with your deer while waiting ?
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01-25-2020, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 220 Swift
So dumb question.
What do you do if its positive, has anyone ate it anyways, and what have you done with your deer while waiting ?
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I debone and bag the meat and freeze it until I receive the results. If positive, I will not consume any of the meat.
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01-25-2020, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by elkhunter11
I debone and bag the meat and freeze it until I receive the results. If positive, I will not consume any of the meat.
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Same here. 3 times... scrapped it all, first time made sausage and had eaten some of it. Wised up after that, naive and thought it would never test positive.
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01-30-2020, 08:51 AM
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Well Im about to hit the 10 week mark, 2 weeks ago I received an email asking for more information and I was told my head was in the current testing group. They also said I would receive the results shortly. What a crock!
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01-30-2020, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 220 Swift
So dumb question.
What do you do if its positive, has anyone ate it anyways, and what have you done with your deer while waiting ?
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I have 3 deer cut and wrapped, sitting in the freezer waiting.... and waiting....
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01-30-2020, 12:07 PM
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I have a White Tail deer cut and wrapped, in the freezer waiting.... and waiting.... from the first week of November
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01-30-2020, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by FCLightning
I have 3 deer cut and wrapped, sitting in the freezer waiting.... and waiting....
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Correct me if i am wrong though guys. There is no harm in handling the meat while you are deboning it correct?
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01-30-2020, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Dom4
Correct me if i am wrong though guys. There is no harm in handling the meat while you are deboning it correct?
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Yes, no harm unless ingested
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01-30-2020, 01:26 PM
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November 30th WMU 202 mule doe. Dropped off in Wainwright.
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02-01-2020, 02:20 PM
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Location: Calgary
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Results
We took two mule does out of 158 first week of Nov. took 16 days and both negative. Question if you are deboning and waiting for results do you have any problem with a later drop of meat at the butcher shop? (paperwork)
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02-01-2020, 03:47 PM
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"any problem with a later drop of meat at the butcher shop? (paperwork)"
No worries, I do it most every year in February, or March if I don't make my own sausage. Last Monday I dropped off muley doe meat at K&K, all the usual paperwork is required - License Tag # and Wildlife Certificate #.
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02-02-2020, 10:29 AM
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What about evidence of sex ? is that a must if you are bringing in an animal that is deboned and frozen?
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02-02-2020, 11:31 AM
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What about evidence of sex ? is that a must if you are bringing in an animal that is deboned and frozen?
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No, it doesn’t need to accompany the meat as technically the act of deboning and packaging is considered processing.
EVIDENCE OF SEX, SPECIES AND CLASS
In the case of moose, elk, deer, antelope, bison and non-trophy sheep the evidence of sex, species and class must remain attached to the carcass (cannot be surgically or otherwise removed) until:
the carcass is delivered to a premises in respect of which there is a Food Establishment Permit issued under the Public Health Act or Licence for the Operation of an Abattoir issued under the Meat Inspection Act, or
the carcass is cut up and packaged for consumption at:
- the usual residence of the person who killed the animal, or
- the usual residence (a residence that is neither a business premises nor attached to such a premises) of a resident of Alberta and that resident is in attendance.
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02-02-2020, 02:14 PM
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Whatever you do.. Do NOT do what I did, and read up about CWD and prions in general.
It is quite literally a nightmare. People do not take this stuff even remotely serious enough.
The prions which cause CWD are literally indestructible. Cannot be destroyed in any regular fashion. Bleach, cooking, radiation, acid, etc etc. Does nothing to them. And they virtually last forever.
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02-02-2020, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Justfishin73
Yes, no harm unless ingested
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are you 100% sure of that (unless ingested)
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02-02-2020, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by last minute
are you 100% sure of that (unless ingested)
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There is no proof of transmission through ingesting but do you really want you or your family to be the first?
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02-03-2020, 06:18 AM
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I thought CW was like BSE (mad cow) . no danger if handled correctly. What concerns me is getting venison processed by a commercial butchers like say hutterites. Venison is legally handled way different than commercial beef.
I would be extremely worried about cross contamination with venison. Example your moose and ten others that day get contaminated from some other guys mule deer that was sawed up first that morning.
I'm thinking CW can't be that dangerous to people or we would already have lots of cases? I hope so anyway.
However if I hunt again I won't be taking it somewhere to be processed.
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02-03-2020, 01:58 PM
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Cjd
In 1989 Yale University did autopsy’s on 46 Alzheimer’s patients.
13 per cent had CJD.
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02-03-2020, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by W921
I thought CW was like BSE (mad cow) . no danger if handled correctly. What concerns me is getting venison processed by a commercial butchers like say hutterites. Venison is legally handled way different than commercial beef.
I would be extremely worried about cross contamination with venison. Example your moose and ten others that day get contaminated from some other guys mule deer that was sawed up first that morning.
I'm thinking CW can't be that dangerous to people or we would already have lots of cases? I hope so anyway.
However if I hunt again I won't be taking it somewhere to be processed.
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Our BSE safety protocols won't guarantee that you will not get sick if you eat an infected animal.
With BSE and CWD, the prions are present throughout the animal, including the muscle tissue.
We really don't know that no one has contracted CWD. There has been little testing for the disease in people.
Even if it is not possible to contract the current variants of CWD in existence today,
there is a valid concern that CWD could mutate and become infectious to humans.
IF CWD is/becomes infectious to humans, the concern of cross contamination during processing is likely very low.... but who knows....
Butchering your own game is something I have always promoted anyways.
I strongly feel it is an integral component of "from Field to Plate".
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02-03-2020, 03:33 PM
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From the CFIA site.........
How is CWD diagnosed?
CWD is tentatively diagnosed based on clinical signs, but can only be confirmed by testing of tissue from the affected animal after it is dead. A negative test result does not guarantee that an individual animal is not infected with CWD, but it does make it considerably less likely and may reduce your risk of exposure to CWD, for example through contact with that animal's tissues.
https://www.inspection.gc.ca/animal-.../1330190096558
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02-03-2020, 04:23 PM
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I submitted my female mule deer head on December 3rd and got my results today, February 3rd. Results: Negative- no CWD present in that deer.
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02-04-2020, 07:05 AM
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I know with beef there are so many out there that just hate the whole beef industry. There is so much misinformation about farming and ranching. There is nothing anyone could say or do that would ever satisfy or change these haters.
I'm also thinking these types hate hunters even more so than farmers.
I'm wondering if the information that is out there is true?
Thats scary about the Alzheimer's connection!!!!
Years ago I used to read a lot of books by wildlife biologist in order to learn more about animals. A lot of those books would go on and on about the diseases and parasites that various animals carry and can give to humans. It was really a case of to much information and was really off putting.
I will say this. By far more people get food poisoning from vegetables every year than beef but this never gets talked about by people not in agriculture.
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02-08-2020, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by walking buffalo
Our BSE safety protocols won't guarantee that you will not get sick if you eat an infected animal.
With BSE and CWD, the prions are present throughout the animal, including the muscle tissue.
We really don't know that no one has contracted CWD. There has been little testing for the disease in people.
Even if it is not possible to contract the current variants of CWD in existence today,
there is a valid concern that CWD could mutate and become infectious to humans.
IF CWD is/becomes infectious to humans, the concern of cross contamination during processing is likely very low.... but who knows....
Butchering your own game is something I have always promoted anyways.
I strongly feel it is an integral component of "from Field to Plate".
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Where did you get the info the prions are present in muscle tissue? I have read a lot of papers at this point. Every credible source says brain, spinal and lymph node tissue only.
I wish this was taken more seriously. Every study I've read to date says no likely hood of human contraction. But no one has been extensive enough to be absolute.
And how many untested deer have been ingested with cwd at this point? We have positives in 132 and I have whitetails in the freeze from within a mile of the positive. Do they have it?
I don't believe CWD consumption is an issue for humans at this point or we'd have Corona virus level panic at this point.
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02-08-2020, 06:40 PM
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Got my result back from my mule doe i shot November 29th yesterday. Negative!! Good thing just almost all eaten already.
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02-09-2020, 09:08 AM
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If you want to do some light reading on prions like CWD Mad cow, JCD...
Have a read here. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...s-are-forever/
To summarize.
Prions are pretty well indestructible. They contaminate and become glued to stainless steel such as medical tools, knifes, tables, cutting boards etc. And can transfer from those surfaces to contaminate and be Infectious for almost ever. People have been kown to contract JCD from surgical tools (sterilized and sat for 2 years) which had been used in another patient years earlier.
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that even if one CWD animal passed through a butcher shop. The knives, boards, tables, all would be contaminated potentially forever. Virtually nothing you can do to destroy them off a surface once contaminated.
Another scary thought. Prions and diseases like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's have close similarities. These amyloids, like prions, stick to surgical instruments “like glue” and survive standard sterilization procedures. They, too, are distressingly hard to "kill".
There is a hypotheses that those diseases may possibly also be transmitted by surgical tools.
https://www.nature.com/news/the-red-...imer-s-1.19554
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I don't believe CWD consumption is an issue for humans at this point or we'd have Corona virus level panic at this point.
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Keep in mind this corona virus didnt exist or Atleast wasn't communicable to humans until a few months ago. some disgusting market was selling snakes and seafood together for peoples consumption. Somthing mutated and boom infectious to humans.
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IF CWD is/becomes infectious to humans, the concern of cross contamination during processing is likely very low.... but who knows.... .
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It would seem to me, that If sterilized surgical tools can transfer the prions to infect people, cross Contamination is almost a certainty. Since there is little way to sterilize items used in processing.
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02-09-2020, 10:27 AM
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https://www.wpr.org/study-bleach-dea...metal-surfaces
There's has been multiple studies in the states and the centre in colorado showing similar efffects that it does work for cleaning instruments just not tissue.
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02-11-2020, 01:00 PM
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Positive results
Well I had posted awhile ago about the CWD technician requesting more info on where we had harvested our muley buck , well today we received an email that our muley buck had tested positive. To look at the deer it didn’t look sick and was a nice mature buck but when we skinned it out there was no fat on the deer but other than that it looked the same as any other deer we have shot, they say it can’t be passed to humans but I don’t want to be the first to prove this wrong. It’s just crappy having to throw away the meat but thankfully we were lucky enough to harvest a moose in another area so we will still enjoy some nice table fare
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