HAMAS Attack on Israel

[sns2]

Originally Posted by Pioneer2

Amos 9:15

Correct. No one will be uprooting Israel from the land they were given anytime soon or in the future. They will try. None will succeed. Take that to the bank.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by sns2

Correct. No one will be uprooting Israel from the land they were given anytime soon or in the future. They will try. None will succeed. Take that to the bank.

That's why it will never end. Palestine didn't want the Jews to be dropped into their land after ww2, (no other country wanted them either), but now you have 2 opposing people that detest each other living in the same piece of property. Pretty much zero chance of a good outcome.

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by Scott h

That's why it will never end. Palestine didn't want the Jews to be dropped into their land after ww2, (no other country wanted them either), but now you have 2 opposing people that detest each other living in the same piece of property. Pretty much zero chance of a good outcome.

The Jews occupied the land long before the Palestinians.

[cranky]

Originally Posted by sns2

Correct. No one will be uprooting Israel from the land they were given anytime soon or in the future. They will try. None will succeed. Take that to the bank.

X2. Amen.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

The Jews occupied the land long before the Palestinians.

I think you'll find that Israel was only created in 1948 as a "homeland" for the displaced jews of Europe. They forgot to run the idea by those already living there.....hence all the problems

[hogie]

Originally Posted by Scott h

I think you'll find that Israel was only created in 1948 as a "homeland" for the displaced jews of Europe. They forgot to run the idea by those already living there.....hence all the problems

You should look at the history of the area, Jerusalem is a city that has Christians, Muslims, and Jewish claiming religious beliefs for centuries. Muslims adopted many religious beliefs from the Jewish. Jews held the area long before. Unfortunately, they will still be fighting over it for many generations.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by Scott h

I think you'll find that Israel was only created in 1948 as a "homeland" for the displaced jews of Europe. They forgot to run the idea by those already living there.....hence all the problems

Where were the jews displaced from that made them go to europe to be displaced again?

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by Scott h

I think you'll find that Israel was only created in 1948 as a "homeland" for the displaced jews of Europe. They forgot to run the idea by those already living there.....hence all the problems

Go back farther.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

Go back farther.

Way back! Who were the Canaanites?

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by Scott h

I think you'll find that Israel was only created in 1948 as a "homeland" for the displaced jews of Europe. They forgot to run the idea by those already living there.....hence all the problems

I realize this is from a Jewish perspective, but gives the best history that I can find.

https://jfedsrq.org/did-jews-take-is...-palestinians/

[glen moa]

Good article dmcbride.

Mark Twain famously noted
“The Egyptians, the Babylonians and the Persians rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and faded away; the Greeks and Romans followed and made a vast noise, and they were gone; other people have sprung up and held their torch high for a time but it burned out . . . . The Jew saw them all, survived them all. . . .” September 1897 (Quoted in The National Jewish Post & Observer, June 6, 1984)

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

I realize this is from a Jewish perspective, but gives the best history that I can find.

https://jfedsrq.org/did-jews-take-is...-palestinians/

That’s what I learned when over in Jordan. History had it that Jewish culture came first but went through waves of occupation and displacement. The rest came after from a cultural perspective. That said there should be a rule of law between who owns what property and should never have it forcefully taken away. At the same time all those in Israel should agree and fully comply that there is no extermination of anyone.

Generations of hatred including UN schools teaching hatred and dehumanizing of Jews means this isn’t getting solved in our lifetime.

[Okotok]

I just marvel at the lack of knowledge or desire to properly research history by a large portion of the population. The 1948 thing when of course, the Muslims wanted no part of, then advised all of the, cough, palestinians to vacate while the coalition of Arab states exterminated the Jews, didn't work out well for them. Just a small piece of time in a centuries long mandate of hate. The Jews and many others of different faiths in a secular society occupy a sliver of land surrounded by mostly failed and oppressive states. Sigh........

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by Okotok

I just marvel at the lack of knowledge or desire to properly research history by a large portion of the population. The 1948 thing when of course, the Muslims wanted no part of, then advised all of the, cough, palestinians to vacate while the coalition of Arab states exterminated the Jews, didn't work out well for them. Just a small piece of time in a centuries long mandate of hate. The Jews and many others of different faiths in a secular society occupy a sliver of land surrounded by mostly failed and oppressive states. Sigh........

Yep, it will be interesting to see how our government decides tomorrow on the NDP motion tomorrow.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...r-israel-hamas

NDP motion to recognize a Palestinian state tests Liberal caucus divisions over Israel-Hamas
The motion calls on the government to officially recognize Palestine as a state

OTTAWA — MPs are set to vote Monday on an NDP motion calling on the government to officially recognize a Palestinian state, testing deep splits in Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s Liberal caucus over the Israel-Hamas war.

The motion also calls on the government to advocate for an end to what it calls the “decades-long occupation of Palestinian territories.” It calls for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza and the release of all hostages, an arms embargo against Israel, unimpeded humanitarian access to Gaza and a lifting of the “arbitrary cap” on the government’s temporary resident visa applications from Gazans.

The House of Commons is scheduled to vote on the motion Monday afternoon.

“On Monday the NDP has a motion that it pitches as a call for a ceasefire. It does so without demanding Hamas surrender & no longer rule Gaza. it also calls for a litany of other things hostile to Israel. Changing foreign policy to reward a terrorist attack. Not smart,” said Liberal MP Anthony Housefather, on X.

The Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs launched a petition in opposition to the motion, saying it “threatens Canada’s values, foreign policy, and support of Israel, while giving Hamas what it wants: recognition and support.”

Liberal MP Salma Zahid has said she will vote in favour of the motion.

The Liberals have been in talks with the NDP about amending the motion, although it’s unknown what the contents of the amendment would be, iPolitics reported on Saturday.

The war in Gaza started when Hamas terrorists stormed into Israel on Oct. 7, killing 1,200 people, including several Canadians. The attack, and Israel’s subsequent military campaign to destroy Hamas in Gaza, has been dividing the Liberal caucus ever since.

Rob Oliphant, parliamentary secretary to Foreign Affairs Minister Melanie Joly, apologized last month for saying two of his caucus colleagues were “arrogant” for calling on Canada to back South Africa’s allegations at a UN court that Israel was committing “genocide.”

In a previous leaked conversation with a constituent obtained by CBC News, Oliphant also criticized the government’s decision to pause funding to the Palestinian-support agency UNRWA, saying it was a “political” decision to appease Canada’s allies.

The Liberal government restored its funding commitment to UNRWA last week, a month before its next $25 million payment to UNRWA was due.

National Post

[Grizzly Adams1]

Hamas is a terrorist organization, end of discussion.

[Pioneer2]

Every time Israel is attacked ,the Jews get another holiday.

[W921]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Way back! Who were the Canaanites?

Offspring of fallen angel's.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by W921

Offspring of fallen angel's.

I wasn't referring to religion, I was referring to the earliest settlers of Gaza.

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I wasn't referring to religion, I was referring to the earliest settlers of Gaza.

The earliest settlers were arguably Neanderthals. By this argument, they should be the rightful owners.

[W921]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I wasn't referring to religion, I was referring to the earliest settlers of Gaza.

You asked origins of Canaanites .You can't have it both ways. What ancient history book told you about Canaanites?
Palestinians are not original inhabitants

[AxeMan]

On that NDP motion today about declaring Palestine a nation.

Rewarding terrorists again.

First they had Taliban Jack, now they have Hamas Heather.

Sounds like they already watered it way down not wanting to have a divorce with the Liberals.

[pittman]

You fellas seem so sure in your convictions.

Looking back over the last 20 or 30 years it looks to me like the terrorist organization is Israel.
- Total disregard of the Oslo Accords
- Condemned by the UN human rights council more than all other countries combined
- Currently a pretty good case for genocide (unless you don't think indiscriminate killing of women and children during war is a problem? or starving close to a million civilians?)

And before you continue to drone on about what you think you know, look up the number of folks killed in each country over the last few decades.

[sns2]

Originally Posted by pittman

You fellas seem so sure in your convictions.

Looking back over the last 20 or 30 years it looks to me like the terrorist organization is Israel.
- Total disregard of the Oslo Accords
- Condemned by the UN human rights council more than all other countries combined
- Currently a pretty good case for genocide (unless you don't think indiscriminate killing of women and children during war is a problem? or starving close to a million civilians?)

And before you continue to drone on about what you think you know, look up the number of folks killed in each country over the last few decades.

Would that be the Human Rights Council chaired by Iran?

LOL

[keeks]

Originally Posted by sns2

Would that be the Human Rights Council chaired by Iran?

LOL

One and the same.

k

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by pittman

You fellas seem so sure in your convictions.

Looking back over the last 20 or 30 years it looks to me like the terrorist organization is Israel.
- Total disregard of the Oslo Accords
- Condemned by the UN human rights council more than all other countries combined
- Currently a pretty good case for genocide (unless you don't think indiscriminate killing of women and children
during war is a problem? or starving close to a million civilians?
And before you continue to drone on about what you think you know, look up the number of folks killed in each country over the last few decades.

Oddly enough, Israel is usually the one defending against attacks by foreign countries or terrorists. This is a prime example, Hamas invaded, killed innocent women and children, raped women, and then ran back to hideouts under hospitals and other locations, where they could use civilians as human shields. The Hamas terrorists still hold hostages, and still present a threat to Israel, they are the reason the civilians are suffering. Had Hamas not attacked, none of this would have happened.

[AxeMan]

The Oslo Accords were trampled when Gaza elected the Hamas terrorists for their government. The Oslo Accords set out an agreement between the then PLO and Israel to recognize each other and works towards peace. Gaza then proceeds to elect Hamas terrorists who openly state their goal to eradicate Israel and all Jews. Then Oct 7 proved it.

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by pittman

You fellas seem so sure in your convictions.

That's because, generally speaking, it's a pretty black and white issue. Attacking, kidnapping, and murdering innocent civilians with no warning typically comes with consequences.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by AxeMan

The Oslo Accords were trampled when Gaza elected the Hamas terrorists for their government. The Oslo Accords set out an agreement between the then PLO and Israel to recognize each other and works towards peace. Gaza then proceeds to elect Hamas terrorists who openly state their goal to eradicate Israel and all Jews. Then Oct 7 proved it.

Gaza made their choice, and now they pay for that choice.

[AxeMan]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Gaza made their choice, and now they pay for that choice.

Yup. And in 2022-23 polls showed that Hamas had overwhelming public support in Gaza. Even after the Oct 7 attack, Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank polled 72% in support of Hamas.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...es-2023-12-14/

Proof, elections have massive consequences, Canada is learning that lesson the hard way too.

[KGB]

With all the money that were collected for Palestinians and Gaza, they could’ve built a Las Vegas of the Middle East there. Instead, they used them for building tunnels and rockets. They made their choice. Now they look like a pile of rubbish.
The amount of concrete alone that went into the construction of tunnels could’ve been used to build a dozen hospitals and schools and a few city blocks.
They are ripping the fruits of their labour now…