Carrying A Handgun

[Kutenay]

I worked alone and running large forestry projects with crews of 75 or so under me for many years, all over B.C. and in Hinton and Slave Lake, AB. I also have had proper training in combat pistol shooting from the Chief Instructor of the B.C. Justice Institute and I have a LOT of bear experience starting in 1956.

It is my opinion that a GOOD, CALM, EXPERIENCED person using a serious pistol, like my 5.5: Redhawk, loaded with 250-300 HC bullets at 1000fps-mv or more is BETTER protected than with the 12Ga.-slug-short, hardkicking shotties many seem to think appropriate. I used several of these over the years and I COULD shoot them, too, but, never felt really good about them....a colleague had a problem and we all just gave up on them.

Do I carry NOW, no and I will not although I can obtain the ATC and my best friends do. My reason is that I have custom built Grizzly rifles that I am more proficient with and find easier to carry when wearing a pack, as I always do.

HOWEVER, I regard the ownership and use of ANY gun to be my ABSOLUTE birthright and I would carry if I could without risking the loss of my very valuable gun collection, my wifes position with the BC govt. and maybe some gaol time.

I find it totally disgusting to see some cop who immigrated to Canada AFTER I retired, and was hired for political reasons to fill a quota, strutting about IN CIVVIES packing a pistol when my RIGHT to do so is denied and threatened by the kind of governments we now have here in Canada.

We NEED to fight to get an amendment to our Constitution that will guarantee our gun rights as a result of our Canadian birth and this INCLUDES keeping and bearing ANY gun we wish to, period. This CAN be done, IMO, IF we begin to stick together and stop fighting among ourselves as is so often seen on various gun forums.........

ARE you safer, with a good handgun in Grizzly territory, overall, I would say YES, if you can use it well.

[Tundra Monkey]

Elkhunter11

I agree with your point but rolling barrels on the tundra is tough enough without a shottie on your back. So now you're 100yds from your gun with a grizz between you and it......just for arguments sake lets make it a bear that is well passed his prime and just finished getting beat up by a younger bear.

You likely won't have to worry about international travel after this.

tm

[Kutenay]

Well, I know what I would do in that situation and simply wish to be very careful here in what I suggest due to the rules of this site. I think that you should be automatically issued a pistol permit for ANY outdoors work WHEN you request it; I would make a sound training programme mandatory and then issue a lifetime carrying licence.

I would point out that, homosexuals were routinely arrested and harassed by the cops up to the 1970s and NOW, they can get married and NOBODY DARES criticize them OR the Human Rights Commission will have your azz in a sling, toute suite. Soooo, if they can change society SO CAN WE and we should continue our fight for a gun owning and free Canada as it is OUR land, not the politicians, Wendies or any other anti-gun communalist control freaks.

[el sparko]

why worry about it? if you choose to venture into a place that has big scarry animals then you must accept the risk that comes with it. i bow hunt for elk and there have been times that cow calling didn't produce the correct response; ie: called in bears twice and a cougar once.. but that comes with the territory. in order to die you have to live! if this sort of activity scares you then don't do it. a hand gun is at best a placebo anyway, unless you plan on shooting yourself before you get mauled.

[elkhunter11]

Elkhunter11

I agree with your point but rolling barrels on the tundra is tough enough without a shottie on your back. So now you're 100yds from your gun with a grizz between you and it......just for arguments sake lets make it a bear that is well passed his prime and just finished getting beat up by a younger bear.

You likely won't have to worry about international travel after this.

tm

Exactly why I am in favor of approving an ATC for anyone that spends considerable time in the wilderness.Of course it would only allow a person to carry a restricted weapon while in the wilderness.

[Tundra Monkey]

Originally Posted by el sparko

why worry about it? if you choose to venture into a place that has big scarry animals then you must accept the risk that comes with it.

OK........but common sense is to minimize the risk....whether at work or play.

tm

[el sparko]

Originally Posted by Tundra Monkey

OK........but common sense is to minimize the risk....whether at work or play.

tm

look up "placebo"

[elkhunter11]

look up "placebo"

The man at the link below was glad that he was carrying a "placebo"

http://dwb.adn.com/front/story/5591480p-5522882c.html

Another "placebo" incident

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=298031

While a rifle is a much better choice for bear defense than a handgun,handguns have successfully protected people during bear attacks.I would much rather be carrying a handgun rather than no weapon at all.

[el sparko]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

The man at the link below was glad that he was carrying a "placebo"

http://dwb.adn.com/front/story/5591480p-5522882c.html

Another "placebo" incident

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=298031

While a rifle is a much better choice for bear defense than a handgun,handguns have successfully protected people during bear attacks.I would much rather be carrying a handgun rather than no weapon at all.

hey! how about a grenade! or a uzi?

[Grizzled]

I like the way kutenay thinks and i am with you...handgun vs shottie aside for a minute ...the thread was about the ability to "carry"....damn rights we should !!!

[roadkill]

Originally Posted by Kutenay

I worked alone and running large forestry projects with crews of 75 or so under me for many years, all over B.C. and in Hinton and Slave Lake, AB. I also have had proper training in combat pistol shooting from the Chief Instructor of the B.C. Justice Institute and I have a LOT of bear experience starting in 1956.

It is my opinion that a GOOD, CALM, EXPERIENCED person using a serious pistol, like my 5.5: Redhawk, loaded with 250-300 HC bullets at 1000fps-mv or more is BETTER protected than with the 12Ga.-slug-short, hardkicking shotties many seem to think appropriate. I used several of these over the years and I COULD shoot them, too, but, never felt really good about them....a colleague had a problem and we all just gave up on them.

Do I carry NOW, no and I will not although I can obtain the ATC and my best friends do. My reason is that I have custom built Grizzly rifles that I am more proficient with and find easier to carry when wearing a pack, as I always do.

HOWEVER, I regard the ownership and use of ANY gun to be my ABSOLUTE birthright and I would carry if I could without risking the loss of my very valuable gun collection, my wifes position with the BC govt. and maybe some gaol time.

I find it totally disgusting to see some cop who immigrated to Canada AFTER I retired, and was hired for political reasons to fill a quota, strutting about IN CIVVIES packing a pistol when my RIGHT to do so is denied and threatened by the kind of governments we now have here in Canada.

We NEED to fight to get an amendment to our Constitution that will guarantee our gun rights as a result of our Canadian birth and this INCLUDES keeping and bearing ANY gun we wish to, period. This CAN be done, IMO, IF we begin to stick together and stop fighting among ourselves as is so often seen on various gun forums.........

ARE you safer, with a good handgun in Grizzly territory, overall, I would say YES, if you can use it well.

Good luck with that amendment. Remember Meech Lake? that was, if anything, *less* contentious than this amendment would be. There is no right to own a gun in Canada, birth or otherwise. And that won't change, no matter how organised the gun lobby or hunters' groups become, simply because of the byzantine mechanism involved with making a constitutional change in Canada.

And honestly, you'd be better served keeping that immigrant stuff quiet if we were ever to actually get into a national debate over it, or you'd have moderates like me gunning for the other side.

That being said, getting the requirements for a carry license changed is a lot simpler. If you can prove that, in your position, it's safer to carry an exposed sidearm than to lug a shottie or a rifle, then I don't see why it isn't practically automatic that you get the permit.

Although I agree with you on the calm and experienced part. Maybe it should be a course laid on top of the restricted license, geared specifically towards trappers and other guys who spend a lot of time in the backwoods.

[Tundra Monkey]

Originally Posted by el sparko

look up "placebo"

I know what a placebo is......I'm pretty sure a handgun would have a "real" effect on whatever it was used.

tm

[Tundra Monkey]

Originally Posted by el sparko

hey! how about a grenade! or a uzi?

If ya got em' use em'......at the end of the day my kids would be happy.

Now Wifey on the other hand could probably use the insurance $$'s

tm

[Da Jimmer]

Just my opinion on this stuff:
I think it would be reasonable to have to take a course before getting your liscence to carry, maybe a mental health check up. I also think its safe to say most would carry a revolver in 44. or 500. so it would be pretty obvious hopefully that a guy hiking in the back 40 with a hand cannon woudnt be thinking of doing a hold up haha.

[Kutenay]

The VERY LAST person I would EVER take ANY advice from on ANY subject is a Montrealer who openly votes for the N.D.P. and obviously is totally un-concerned with the RIGHTS inherent in MY Canadian birth. I HATE the N.D.P. and would enjoy seeing that gang of weirdos, traitors, foreigners, criminals (Svend is both) and commies totally eliminated by the good voters of my native land.

SO, go ahead, ...gunning for the other side..., you pinkos ALWAYS have and ALWAYS will. BUT, if you think that this intimidates me and many like me, well, MY direct family ancestors were Highland and English officers on "The Plains of Abraham"....didn't seem to work THEN and won't now.

I will add to this that a Canadian's RIGHTS are inherent in his/her BIRTH here in Canada and are NOT somehow "given" by ANY government. The Second Amendment to that superb document, "The Constitution of the United States of America" does NOT "give" the "right to keep and bear arms", as many mistakenly seem to think; rather, it simply GUARANTEES what exists as a product of U.S. birth and citizenship, period.

To suggest that WE in Canada do not have this right is one of the usual tricks of the "antis" and, "moderation in the defence of liberty is no virtue" as a great American once said. We NEED to FIGHT BACK, not be moderate and allow a bunch of liberals, foreigners, socialists and other such pinko scum and some totally befuddled citizens tell US what our rights are.

I have the RIGHT to own and bear arms, that is that and NO politician will ever take that from me as long as I can resist!

[Unregistered user]

Originally Posted by sirmike68

OOPS looks like I'm a criminal. I bring my 45 up to my recreational hunting land all the time. Mostly just to plink around with. No harm no foul. I also don't stroll out into the crown land with it, but even if I did the area is so remote the chance of running into someone who "cared" would be far and few between. Even if I was caught with it what is really going to happen. Our system is a joke. Maybe a fine, weapons charge, and away I go. Sad but that is what it has come to.

LEOs read too, so be careful what you post on a public forum, I hate to see anyone get pinched for having fun. BTW it's "Few and far between".

[Castincowboy]

I'd like to chime in; but, Kutenay has already said it best!

[fluxcore]

Originally Posted by sirmike68

OOPS looks like I'm a criminal. I bring my 45 up to my recreational hunting land all the time. Mostly just to plink around with. No harm no foul. I also don't stroll out into the crown land with it, but even if I did the area is so remote the chance of running into someone who "cared" would be far and few between. Even if I was caught with it what is really going to happen. Our system is a joke. Maybe a fine, weapons charge, and away I go. Sad but that is what it has come to.

I plink around with mine all the time in remote areas, as well as on private property.

[blackpheasant]

Originally Posted by roadkill

Good luck with that amendment. Remember Meech Lake? that was, if anything, *less* contentious than this amendment would be. There is no right to own a gun in Canada, birth or otherwise. And that won't change, no matter how organised the gun lobby or hunters' groups become, simply because of the byzantine mechanism involved with making a constitutional change in Canada.

And honestly, you'd be better served keeping that immigrant stuff quiet if we were ever to actually get into a national debate over it, or you'd have moderates like me gunning for the other side.

That being said, getting the requirements for a carry license changed is a lot simpler. If you can prove that, in your position, it's safer to carry an exposed sidearm than to lug a shottie or a rifle, then I don't see why it isn't practically automatic that you get the permit.

Although I agree with you on the calm and experienced part. Maybe it should be a course laid on top of the restricted license, geared specifically towards trappers and other guys who spend a lot of time in the backwoods.

Roadkill, your piece on gun owner's not having right's might be accepted where you live but out here where I live, not so much, Eastern Canada's beloved son's Pierre Trudeau and Alan Rock tried to remove all of our right's and almost succeded, GOOD LUCK to the next group of political thug's that want Confiscation including your man Jack. We have right's and we would defend those right's, that I know for sure...

[Albertacoyotecaller]

Originally Posted by Rackmastr

Ya I dont think it happens very much these days, but I do know of 3 guys up by Muncho Lake that guide and got theirs 4 years ago now. Not sure if they still guide or still carry.

Either way, it personally doesnt do much for me to think about wearing one in the bush.....

These permits are not handed out like candy but they can be obtained. Last time I checked there were just over 900 in Canada. I have had one for a few years and I do not trap. These are not "just for trappers".

Go and get the paperwork and figure out how you can obtain one before making the statements above.

Greg

[Matt L.]

There is a definite group in this country who want to completely disarm law-abiding Canadians. The question we should all be asking ourselves is why? As for our gun rights, I am in full agreement with Kutenay; can't say it any better than he has.

[el sparko]

all curly bill wanted to know was if any of us have ever been harrassed carring a handgun while hunting. no i haven't and i never will, i do not break the law. if i was scared to go afield then i wouldn't do it.

[Rackmastr]

Originally Posted by Albertacoyotecaller

Go and get the paperwork and figure out how you can obtain one before making the statements above.

Greg

Greg,

I'm guessing that this part of your message was not in regards to MY post that you quoted and more in response to someone else's statements?

[roadkill]

Originally Posted by blackpheasant

Roadkill, your piece on gun owner's not having right's might be accepted where you live but out here where I live, not so much, Eastern Canada's beloved son's Pierre Trudeau and Alan Rock tried to remove all of our right's and almost succeded, GOOD LUCK to the next group of political thug's that want Confiscation including your man Jack. We have right's and we would defend those right's, that I know for sure...

Man, I wasn't talking about confiscation or ripping away anyone's remaining firearms privileges. Anyway, it doesn't matter what either of us think about the situation, the fact is that we have a Constitution, and it sketches out a pretty clear picture of what our rights really are. No ammount of chest-thumping and orneriness is going to change that.

I also said that I thought people in the areas being discussed here should be allowed to carry, but I guess noboy could hear me over the noise of the sabre-rattling.

[jakebrake]

I have been hunting for for 27 years and have been stopped 4 times.If you do pack a handgun in the bush you would have a slim chance of getting caught.You have to way the risk getting charged by a bear or getting caught carrying a gun.I have been charged by a black bear with cubs comming back from a lick while bow hunting,thankfully she stopped at 15 yards and turned back.In a situation like that a handgun would be handy.After that i won't go to far in the bush without a gun,now i pack my bow and backpack and shot gun with slugs,it would be alot easier to pack a handgun for protection.

[elkhunter11]

the fact is that we have a Constitution,

And a joke of a constitution it is,since it doesn't even make all Canadians equal under the law.

[Albertacoyotecaller]

Rackmaster,

Yes, and to answer the o.p. question, no I have never had an issue.


Greg

[Kutenay]

As far as being ...afraid... to go into the bush, with or without a gun of ANY type, I have spent many periods of as long as three months in very remote Grizzly country totally alone and without a break. I started doing this at age 18 and long before many of the posters here were born, so, I do not respond well to such taunts from a recreationist who cannot discuss this topic without making such foolish comments.

As to ...saber rattling..., that is a typically "ad hominem" attempt by a self-admitted N.D.P.er to co-opt the discussion and thus advance the nefarious leftwing agenda. They DO this BECAUSE they have NO REAL support in Canada for their socially destructive and tax wasting policies and must attempt to vilify others to even "get in the game".

The FACT is that "The Constitution of Canada" is NOT immutable and CAN be amended by an "Act of Parliament" at ANY time a sitting government chooses to and can command sufficient votes in the House of Commons to support a given inititive in this respect. I think that a bit more study of Canadian history and political science might be in order here......

Once again, very simply, the PEOPLE HAVE RIGHTS, the government DOES NOT "confer" these and ANY legislation exists merely to codify and protect these. The N.D.P. wishes to totally eliminate individual freedoms in Canada and thereby "create" a socialist "utopia" for ALL the world to "share"....they have proven very capable in various provincial adminstrations of "sharing" the taxpayer's monies as we in B.C. know only TOO well.....

Jack Layton IS the enemy of freedom and a hardened socialist who strongly advocates a ban on handguns, huge increases in non-traditional immigration when our own people are facing un-employment and also the elimination of freedom of speech by appointed and HIGHLY political "Human Rights Commissions".

I think that ANY supporter of the N.D.P. is an enemy of gunowners here in Canada and has an agenda that is questionable....comments about ...orneriness...simply demonstrate this, very clearly.

Anyway, I feel that the political aspects of this are relevant to the original query, but, I have said what I consider useful here and am done with this topic for now.

[DairyMan7]

homo sexuals?
non-native canadian cops packing??
NDP vs REFORMIST (looks like to me)

I've never heard so much bull**** in my life...sorry about my language....If you guys are CANADIAN i'm am very sorry to be associated to you people, if you people are hunters or trappers again i'm humiliated that people would even consider pegging myself with you people......I am just astonished by these comments..........KUTNEY or what ever your name is....you are not correct and should move to the states...we don't want you in CANADA. Canada is canada because of our multi-culturalism. We have an amazing legal system by the way, who ever posted that.....Hey I agree with you in some regards...people do get more chances than they deserve but thats that.
Lastly in regards to the original posting about the handguns....for sure take your chances if you wish...trust me if your caught it won't be very fun. Oh that comment about just a little swat on the wrist..no you'll get jail time for that, and like that other fella said a big fine and all your firearms taken away..probably not beable to hunt in canada for many years either....yup then further dealings with the police will be amplified because of that other conviction.
ANYWHY
So you can get those permits....but you must prove to a chief firearms officer that you need that protection.....again out in the mountains aint going to cut it.
one more thing...i just don't understand....trappers don't carry them for protection....its to easily dispatch the animals they are trapping....i guess protection could be another bi-product but not really. Oh and yes you will need to take a course every year to get the permit......
Oh and back to those white trash guys.....Please just leave Canada...US CANADIANS don't want you here.......man thats funny a guy from B.C..........you hippy

[Unregistered user]

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