Polite complaint to some of you ATV guys (and SUVers) - Page 2

#31 09-22-2009, 08:15 AM

[QUOTE=BigBuck$;394221]Why don't they make it illegal to ride a quad for the purpose of hunting before noon? QUOTE]

Like dave said, it is already illegal to use a quad for hunting before noon. However, and this is from a c.o. it is NOT illegal to carry a gun on your quad at anytime of the day.

BigBuck$ · #32 09-22-2009, 02:33 PM

[QUOTE=sniper_700ti_mckaylake_gu;394480]

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Originally Posted by BigBuck$

Why don't they make it illegal to ride a quad for the purpose of hunting before noon? QUOTE]

Like dave said, it is already illegal to use a quad for hunting before noon. However, and this is from a c.o. it is NOT illegal to carry a gun on your quad at anytime of the day.

So how do they determine if you are "Hunting" or going for a quad ride then?

#33 09-22-2009, 02:38 PM

I'm not saying I agree with it. But the wording says you can not hunt. Driving your ATV and carrying your gun for protection, for example, is totally legal.
They determine if your hunting by asking you. If you say your not hunting, your just riding your quad.
Not saying I agree with it, this is just from a convo with a c.o. that happened to stop by camp.

Loper · #34 09-22-2009, 03:13 PM

Off-highway vehicles and weapons

120(1) Repealed AR 159/2006 s8.

(2) Subject to subsection (3), a person shall not transport a weapon in, on or by means of an off‑highway vehicle between one hour before sunrise and 12 noon during an open season for the hunting of big game in any of wildlife management units 102 to 166, 200 to 260, 300 to 351, 354 to 360, 400 to 446, 507, 508, 514, 521, 522, 526 or 841.

(3) Subsection (2) does not apply

(a) to the holder of an off‑highway vehicle permit or a weapons discharge permit,

(b) to a person who, apart from the holder of such a permit, is the only person in or on the vehicle and who is accompanying that permit holder for the purpose of assisting him to hunt,

(c) to a person who is hunting

(i) on privately owned land, or

(ii) under the authority of a registered fur management licence or a resident fur management licence,

(d) in an area and during a period when the only big game season that is open in that area is the spring black bear season, or

(e) to a person who is travelling on a direct route between a location that is readily accessible by vehicles designed for highway travel and his campsite at a location that is not so accessible where

(i) the weapon is in a case, box or other compartment that is locked, and

(ii) any ammunition that is carried is stored separate from any firearm in a case, box or other compartment that is locked.

#35 09-22-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Loper

Off-highway vehicles and weapons

120(1) Repealed AR 159/2006 s8.

(2) Subject to subsection (3), a person shall not transport a weapon in, on or by means of an off‑highway vehicle between one hour before sunrise and 12 noon during an open season for the hunting of big game in any of wildlife management units 102 to 166, 200 to 260, 300 to 351, 354 to 360, 400 to 446, 507, 508, 514, 521, 522, 526 or 841.

(3) Subsection (2) does not apply

(a) to the holder of an off‑highway vehicle permit or a weapons discharge permit,

(b) to a person who, apart from the holder of such a permit, is the only person in or on the vehicle and who is accompanying that permit holder for the purpose of assisting him to hunt,

(c) to a person who is hunting

(i) on privately owned land, or

(ii) under the authority of a registered fur management licence or a resident fur management licence,

(d) in an area and during a period when the only big game season that is open in that area is the spring black bear season, or

(e) to a person who is travelling on a direct route between a location that is readily accessible by vehicles designed for highway travel and his campsite at a location that is not so accessible where

(i) the weapon is in a case, box or other compartment that is locked, and

(ii) any ammunition that is carried is stored separate from any firearm in a case, box or other compartment that is locked.

Section E is what allows it. Throw a tent on your quad and you are on route to your campsite.

Knownonscents · #36 09-22-2009, 04:35 PM

from what I gather reading that, is subsection C states that if your hunting that rule about 1 hr before sunrise does not apply.
period.

Maybe I misread it but thats what I got.

And I'll tell ya what. I rode my quad for a good 1/2hr plus to get to the trail that I walk down for 45 min. to get to where I'm going. If I had to walk the whole way Id be walking for 5 hrs. I dont think so

habman12 · #37 09-22-2009, 04:49 PM

My problem with the OHV thing in zone 400 is the lack of respect for the rules and guidelines that are currently in place.As it is right now there are designated PORTIONS of trails that are available for use by OHV's..... this does not mean that cutting the lock or tearing down the sign and opening the gate extends the area of use!!! Last week the the trails were littered with evidence of OHV use where none was allowed. It makes me downright mad to spend hours out on the trail getting into position only to have a someone that should know better pull up, shut the machine off, wait 30 seconds, bugle, wait 10 seconds, start the machine up and move on to the next clearing. Do they really think the elk are that stupid?? all they are doing is pushing them back further and making the pack out for the rule abiding hunters that much harder.

Just a thought.

Unregistered user · #38 09-22-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mangler

Those who want to ban ATV's are no different from those who want to ban guns. Both groups focus on the object instead of its criminal use.

Very Very good point.

Walleyes · #39 09-22-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mangler

Those who want to ban ATV's are no different from those who want to ban guns. Both groups focus on the object instead of its criminal use.

Yup,, ban,, ban,, ban until the world is just a perfect place to live in.. I think this has been tried in a few places no ?? But I guess some here would prefer to live that way.. Total government control over everything,, then life would be perfect..

sonny · #40 09-22-2009, 06:01 PM

The lack of respect for the rules and guidelines that are currently in place applies to everyone not 4 wheelers only but ohv,s as well , I have witnessed quaders cutting new trails rideing on open grass slopes where they should not be, And some 4- wheelers do the same thing.
The bottom line is if all of us don,t behave, we as hunters, fishernen , and the sunday quaders will all be losers.

Huntingonthebrain · #41 09-22-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sneeze

I think there is a pretty clear difference between using the trails and destroying them.

I suppose I should have been more clear... WMU 400 is turning into a Maclean Creek. Lifted Jeeps, quads searching for muddy roads... and on opening day elk... there must have been 700 quads driving around. (This is not easy on the trails).

Not to mention, all the new roads that get cut every hunting season... long de-activated skid trails are turning into OHV freeways. Leaving the hunter with very very few area's of "wild" country.

I understand using an OHV to access the area you are trying to hunt... but I think allot of people treat "hunting" as an excuse to go quadding with a gun.

I will always walk in to my spot in the dark...but if I get an animal down I will always quad in to get it...anywhere I need to even past gates. I think the gates are there to keep the numbers down (sheep hunters) from getting to the back.

Iskra · #42 09-23-2009, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by sniper_700ti_mckaylake_gu

Section E is what allows it. Throw a tent on your quad and you are on route to your campsite.

That section and subsections was put in there to allow hunters to transport weapons and ammo to a remote locations. One can argue in court how he can be on route to a camp with no water, food, sleeping bag, camp supplies. That's to F&W cops to argue.
If one bends one rule, how many rules one can bend ?
Maybe the original post is about ATV riders with one person tent and a gun feeling all right chaseing ghost of an animal.

#43 09-23-2009, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Iskra

That section and subsections was put in there to allow hunters to transport weapons and ammo to a remote locations. One can argue in court how he can be on route to a camp with no water, food, sleeping bag, camp supplies. That's to F&W cops to argue.
If one bends one rule, how many rules one can bend ?
Maybe the original post is about ATV riders with one person tent and a gun feeling all right chaseing ghost of an animal.

I agree with you. I was actually discussing the ease of bending rules with the c.o. and he agreed. I am just passing on info I recieved from him, doesn't mean I agree with it.

habman12 · #44 09-23-2009, 02:13 PM

but if I get an animal down I will always quad in to get it...anywhere I need to even past gates. I think the gates are there to keep the numbers down (sheep hunters) from getting to the back.[/QUOTE]

First off...I mean no disrespect here, but I think this is where is starts.... a gate with NO motorized access beyond that point means, if you want to hunt past that point and you happen to harvest something back there you should be prepared to pack it out WITHOUT motorized access, plain and simple.
The next person in the area on an OHV sees a set or tracks around the gate and figures "why not me" and the next thing you know there is a highway to the back.

geezer55 · #45 09-23-2009, 02:21 PM

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but if I get an animal down I will always quad in to get it...anywhere I need to even past gates. I think the gates are there to keep the numbers down (sheep hunters) from getting to the back.

First off...I mean no disrespect here, but I think this is where is starts.... a gate with NO motorized access beyond that point means, if you want to hunt past that point and you happen to harvest something back there you should be prepared to pack it out WITHOUT motorized access, plain and simple.
The next person in the area on an OHV sees a set or tracks around the gate and figures "why not me" and the next thing you know there is a highway to the back. [/QUOTE]

I agree with you, habman12, first one person doesn't obey the rules because he thinks he has a "good" reason, then the rest of the people come long and say "if one person can bend the rules then so can I."

unclebuck · #46 09-23-2009, 02:25 PM

With all of this condemnation of hunter's on ATV's prior to noon, has it occurred to you sneeze, that perhaps the operators/hunters have a disabled permit to use an ATV at anytime of the day? There are those who are disabled(unable to walk normally)who have that permit. Perhaps some common sense thought should have been given prior to posting your drivel.

mtylerb · #47 09-23-2009, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Huntingonthebrain

... I think the gates are there to keep the numbers down (sheep hunters) from getting to the back.

Or it could be to prevent destruction of the terrain. Softer terrain will be damaged by OHV's, while a person on foot would barely disturb it. An OHV has a few hundred extra pounds to it, on top of its rider.

I'm not one for touting global warming or living the "green" life, but it's something to think about.

honda450 · #48 09-23-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Huntingonthebrain

I will always walk in to my spot in the dark...but if I get an animal down I will always quad in to get it...anywhere I need to even past gates. I think the gates are there to keep the numbers down (sheep hunters) from getting to the back.

Ya see you are part of the problem, and give us responsible hunters and quadders a bad name. Man you should be ashamed of yourself.

Wonder how many other laws you have no disregaurd for.My 16 year old son has more sense than you.

Huntingonthebrain · #49 09-23-2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by honda450

Ya see you are part of the problem, and give us responsible hunters and quadders a bad name. Man you should be ashamed of yourself.

Wonder how many other laws you have no disregaurd for.My 16 year old son has more sense than you.

Well I guess you told me! Dang I feel bad for not letting my meat go bad in this hot 'fall' season we are having.

An elk is a big animal and my atv is there to help assist me a-hole.

honda450 · #50 09-23-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Huntingonthebrain

Well I guess you told me! Dang I feel bad for not letting my meat go bad in this hot 'fall' season we are having.

An elk is a big animal and my atv is there to help assist me a-hole.

Can't ya get it into your brain those gates are put up for a purpose. Hunt on the other side of the gate if ya need your quad, Its a no brainer man use your head.

Aint going to get into the game of name calling. You broke the law plain and simple ya seem proud of it too.

elkhunter11 · #51 09-23-2009, 06:30 PM

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Well I guess you told me! Dang I feel bad for not letting my meat go bad in this hot 'fall' season we are having.

The solution is simple,if you don't have a legal means to recover your game before it spoils,don't shoot it in that location.

honda450 · #52 09-23-2009, 06:50 PM

Dang elk I think he will not see how he spoils things for all us responsible hunters and quadders, Sad. But will be the first to complain when our rites are cut down. Man unreal.

Huntingonthebrain · #53 09-23-2009, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11

The solution is simple,if you don't have a legal means to recover your game before it spoils,don't shoot it in that location.

I know I choose the location I hunt, but the elk chooses where to live...

I'm not one to break laws as this is the only one I will overlook with an elk of moose down, however I'm against the gates being there in the first place stopping us from retrieving game.
Not to get to in depth...The only reason the gates are there is from over usage from summer campers and joy riders. I wish they would open them in September for hunting.
I have already hunted one of the gated areas and I only put on 1km on my quad as I walked the 7 km for hunting.

elkhunter11 · #54 09-23-2009, 07:01 PM

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I'm not one to break laws as this is the only one I will overlook with an elk of moose down,

So you think that it's okay if a person only breaks one law?What would happen if everyone chose to overlook the law of their choice?

Huntingonthebrain · #55 09-23-2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11

So you think that it's okay if a person only breaks one law?What would happen if everyone chose to overlook the law of their choice?

Everyone does!!! Don't tell me you don't break the law once and a while...only Jesus was perfect!!

honda450 · #56 09-23-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Huntingonthebrain

I know I choose the location I hunt, but the elk chooses where to live...

I'm not one to break laws as this is the only one I will overlook with an elk of moose down, however I'm against the gates being there in the first place stopping us from retrieving game.
Not to get to in depth...The only reason the gates are there is from over usage from summer campers and joy riders. I wish they would open them in September for hunting.
I have already hunted one of the gated areas and I only put on 1km on my quad as I walked the 7 km for hunting.

Dang I don't like alot of laws either. But gotta live with em. And yes officer I was only going 15kph over the speed limit. Dang give me a break. Hey no one is stopping you from retrieving game Just no quads. Dang can't ya get that.

I own 4 quads and I get that.

#57 09-23-2009, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Huntingonthebrain

Everyone does!!! Don't tell me you don't break the law once and a while...only Jesus was perfect!!

I think I'll go to waterton and shoot the biggest Elk by the road. What the hell everyone breaks the law.

bruceba · #58 09-23-2009, 08:09 PM

Well the couple of guys that went around the gate through the tree's and ran into us on horse back several miles into the non motorized area were very curtious. They pulled over and shut thier quads down until we were well past them. Nice chat as we rode by. Them "See anything?" Us "Nope." Them "Good luck." Us " Back atcha". Plates covered by jackets but nice friendly guys.

elkhunter11 · #59 09-23-2009, 08:26 PM

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Well the couple of guys that went around the gate through the tree's and ran into us on horse back several miles into the non motorized area were very curtious. They pulled over and shut thier quads down until we were well past them. Nice chat as we rode by. Them "See anything?" Us "Nope." Them "Good luck." Us " Back atcha". Plates covered by jackets but nice friendly guys.

If I run into them,I hope they smile while I take their picture.Then I will turn the pictures over to Fish & Wildlife,and offer to testify in court if necessary.

bruceba · #60 09-23-2009, 08:43 PM

I guess I should have added this litte guy.

My camera which is usually part of my right appendage was tucked into a saddle bag. What I have noticed, probably because of the extra height while riding is the beer cans and bottles tossed into the bush. Not as frequent earlier in the year. I didn't have enough room on the horse to start packing it all out but I'm sure it would cover the cost of half a tank of gas. Not pointing fingers, just an observation.