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10-31-2021, 09:35 PM
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Sorry to derail but I’m curious if you could explain what problems you’ve had with a Mesa? I’m curious what I should be looking for in mine.
I own a 85 finnlight in 270 win that’s supposed to be junk, a rem 700 that’s supposed to be junk, some junky plastic Tikkas and have had a couple savages. All have rode in the truck and have went bang when I fired them. If they didn’t hit the target that was all on me. I don’t believe everything I read on Google.
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I have a Christensen Arms Mesa in 6.5 PRC. I prefer my tikkas over the C/A Mesa for accuracy and feel.
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10-31-2021, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Smokinyotes
I have a Christensen Arms Mesa in 6.5 PRC. I prefer my tikkas over the C/A Mesa for accuracy and feel.
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I have the Christensen Traverse in 6.5PRC, and it averages 3/8moa with both my loads, and factory Hornady Precision Hunter loads, and it has a much nicer stock than the Mesa, but it does cost significantly more. I did develop loads for two Mesas in 7mmremmag, and both easily shot sub 3/4moa.
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10-31-2021, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by elkhunter11
I have the Christensen Traverse in 6.5PRC, and it averages 3/8moa with both my loads, and factory Hornady Precision Hunter loads, and it has a much nicer stock than the Mesa, but it does cost significantly more. I did develop loads for two Mesas in 7mmremmag, and both easily shot sub 3/4moa.
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Nicer only if you prefer a Monte Carlo. Otherwise not. Exact same construction. I like a monte Carlo, but lots don't.
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10-31-2021, 10:22 PM
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Nicer only if you prefer a Monte Carlo. Otherwise not. Exact same construction. I like a monte Carlo, but lots don't.
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The Traverse stock is also wider in the fore end, which I find better for precision shooting, and the recoil pad absorbs recoil better.
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11-01-2021, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by elkhunter11
The Traverse stock is also wider in the fore end, which I find better for precision shooting, and the recoil pad absorbs recoil better.
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The recoil pad on Mesas are Sims Limbsavers. How can you get better recoil absorption than that. And IIRC, doesn’t the Traverse have a silly picatinny rail on the forend? I’m only getting your gears because you said it is far superior or something to that affect, I prefer the Traverse stock style also, but the 1/2” group I shot with a Mesa yesterday says to me that it is a-ok. They are the same construction, but different shape, and some may prefer the Mesa style. Surely you can admit that.
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11-01-2021, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by sns2
The recoil pad on Mesas are Sims Limbsavers. How can you get better recoil absorption than that. And IIRC, doesn’t the Traverse have a silly picatinny rail on the forend? I’m only getting your gears because you said it is far superior or something to that affect, I prefer the Traverse stock style also, but the 1/2” group I shot with a Mesa yesterday says to me that it is a-ok. They are the same construction, but different shape, and some may prefer the Mesa style. Surely you can admit that.
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Having shot both the Mesa and Traverse a fair bit while developing loads for both,, I find the Traverse easier to shoot accurately, and it seems to do a better job of absorbing recoil. I agree on the stupid rail on the Traverse, but it is easily removed, just like the noise maker on the end of the barrel. I actually don't like having to pay for a brake to get either of them. Some people want the smallest lightest stock possible, on a hunting rifle and the Mesa has that, but the OP mentioned some recreational target shooting, and the narrow round fore end is a disadvantage for that. He might actually be better off with the Mesa Long range, for his uses. And if he decides to go with a larger scope for target shooting, the higher comb will also be an advantage, with a scope that is mounted higher.
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11-01-2021, 08:11 AM
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Nightforce glass really isn’t that good
Their repeatability/tracking is the main reason people buy them
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And they are durable and will take a beating and keep on holding zero.
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11-01-2021, 09:36 AM
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I like my Sako m75 rifles, but I will say maybe a Fierce Edge or Fury model for a rifle to consider Seen a few in 300WM on Precision Optics website (Site Sponsor) recently.
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11-01-2021, 09:56 AM
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And they are durable and will take a beating and keep on holding zero.
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That’s what they tell you in their advertising
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11-01-2021, 01:37 PM
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Most of the Leupys and Sightrons I have had are durable. Dropped them on the ground or out of the pickup and no issues.
Heck I even dropped one of my rifles with a Sightron down the stairs once. Took it to the range for a check. Never budged a mm.
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11-01-2021, 09:52 PM
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Springfield 2020 Waypoint and Swaro or Leupold glass. They don't offer the Waypoint in that many chamberings though.
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11-02-2021, 07:04 AM
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Rifle/scope combo for the first thousand and bank the three thousand for a rainy day.
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11-02-2021, 02:54 PM
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Just curious why no one suggests any Vortex optics? I've had good luck with them on my rifles to date. Has something changed with the new options they have?
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11-02-2021, 03:06 PM
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Springfield 2020 Waypoint and Swaro or Leupold glass. They don't offer the Waypoint in that many chamberings though.
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Do these rifles exist now?
I cancelled my order after nearly 10 months and bought a christensen ridgeline in 6.5PRC
Very happy with it. Topped with a Zeiss V4 4-16x50 shoots factory hornady ammo sub MOA no problem.
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11-02-2021, 03:40 PM
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Very happy with my seekins havak so far although i havent shot allot and it is not broke in. I prefer it over the CA ridgeline i had. I got it in 300prc. I timed the market well when our dollar peaked a few months back and prophet river brought it in for me at 2500 all in. Found a great deal on a second hand scope and i am well under that 4000 mark.
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11-02-2021, 03:54 PM
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Sako 85 Finnlight topped with a Swarovski Z3 or Z5.
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11-02-2021, 06:55 PM
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Just curious why no one suggests any Vortex optics? I've had good luck with them on my rifles to date. Has something changed with the new options they have?
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Your joking, right?
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11-02-2021, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by raised by wolves
Sako 85 Finnlight topped with a Swarovski Z3 or Z5.
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My friend, I can’t think of a more obnoxious rifle to be chambered in 300 Mag. I like Finnlights, have had a handful of them, and wouldn’t hesitate to in the future too. However, recoil is brisk and the stock does nothing to mitigate it.
Time for the three of us to go for a cruise and tag a sausage deer or two!
That custom 35 Whelen needs to be christened in blood.
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11-02-2021, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by sns2
My friend, I can’t think of a more obnoxious rifle to be chambered in 300 Mag. I like Finnlights, have had a handful of them, and wouldn’t hesitate to in the future too. However, recoil is brisk and the stock does nothing to mitigate it.
Time for the three of us to go for a cruise and tag a sausage deer or two!
That custom 35 Whelen needs to be christened in blood.
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Light weight magnums of any sort are not that much fun to shoot
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11-02-2021, 08:46 PM
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Light weight magnums of any sort are not that much fun to shoot
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Of course you are right, but some are much better than others comparatively speaking. I have found the Kimber Montana stock design does a really good job of mitigating recoil.
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11-02-2021, 10:04 PM
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Of course you are right, but some are much better than others comparatively speaking. I have found the Kimber Montana stock design does a really good job of mitigating recoil.
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I agree 100%
I had a sako 338 rum that I would shoot any day over a tikka 270 wsm
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11-03-2021, 06:39 AM
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Now back to the OP’s question. After thinking about this, I would suggest you wait for a custom to come up. It may take patience, but in many cases, guys who build a custom are tinkerers by nature and eventually get bored. Sometimes they also have the means that taking a loss on a rifle to build another one is just part and parcel of the game they have chosen to play.
I have seen wonderful guns that far exceed the quality you will get in an off the shelf gun. Canadian Gun Nutz is your friend. Also search out custom rifles on AO and yu will find the names of regulars who will be happy to give you their opinion on a rifle you may be interested in. I would suggest off the top of my head guys like Marky Mark and Elk11. I know they would be happy to share their thoughts.
Value wise, a second hand custom is likely the best bet in guns.
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11-03-2021, 09:49 AM
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.280 AI . Would never own a mule kickin 300
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11-03-2021, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by savage250
Just curious why no one suggests any Vortex optics? I've had good luck with them on my rifles to date. Has something changed with the new options they have?
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The ops budget allows for a quality pc of glass.
Vortex doesn't make anything that touches the big 3.
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11-03-2021, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by sns2
My friend, I can’t think of a more obnoxious rifle to be chambered in 300 Mag. I like Finnlights, have had a handful of them, and wouldn’t hesitate to in the future too. However, recoil is brisk and the stock does nothing to mitigate it.
Time for the three of us to go for a cruise and tag a sausage deer or two!
That custom 35 Whelen needs to be christened in blood.
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So little recoil to a 300WM. You have bigger shoulders than me, you should be able to offhand a howitzer. And that ultralight 35, the recoil is like a 243, and yes, it needs to stretch its legs.
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11-03-2021, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by raised by wolves
So little recoil to a 300WM. You have bigger shoulders than me, you should be able to offhand a howitzer. And that ultralight 35, the recoil is like a 243, and yes, it needs to stretch its legs.
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You are a wild man!
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11-03-2021, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by raised by wolves
So little recoil to a 300WM. You have bigger shoulders than me, you should be able to offhand a howitzer. And that ultralight 35, the recoil is like a 243, and yes, it needs to stretch its legs.
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I topped out at a 338 RUM in a tupperware stock.
Nowadays, 7 Rem is as big as I am gonna go.
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11-03-2021, 11:29 AM
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Roar ,I think you start a ****ing match on who's is bigger !
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11-03-2021, 11:42 AM
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Just curious why no one suggests any Vortex optics? I've had good luck with them on my rifles to date. Has something changed with the new options they have?
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Vortex is a cheap. If your stretching your dollars, they fit right in. They are popular because they pay big money for marketing and reading what is popular on social media. Their manufacturing needs the lifetime warranty.
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11-04-2021, 07:32 AM
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Very big Question and you will get a 100 answerers .
Just walking up to a counter and say ,I want that one !
Or then there are those custom built units that you pay twice as much
Then there are riffles that come from over seas where the price is higher because of shipping and the name .
Are you looking for a light mountain gun or Big game riffle
The answer never ends .
378 weatherby /zess
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