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Yep your/my freedom and when the wolves are at the gate your/my protection so we can work the "patch"!
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Stay on track here....nobody but you brought soldiers in to this.
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Stay on track here....nobody but you brought soldiers in to this.
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Correction, thanks for putting me back on track, RCMP officers, paid more because they insure our safety and well being as we make the "patch" money...someone has to keep order and that should come with a higher salary.
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06-12-2013, 03:10 PM
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I only skimmed the artice and didn't see it. Do they still not pay candidates during Depot?
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06-12-2013, 03:19 PM
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EPS and the RCMP are train wrecks. They need to first get rid of the polygraph part of the 'recruiting' stage. A lot of potentially great officers dont even bother applying based on this aspect alone....myself included! Not a chance I want or need to be beaten up on a lie detector about the grass I smoked 2 years ago.
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x2 I didn't apply for the same reason, along with RCMP's long history of corruption. My college roomate was rejected for having to admit to taking a puff one night at a camp fire a year and a half prior....i dont condone drug use but c'mon! Can't say im suprised, i was actually wondering when recruit numbers were going to plummet
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06-12-2013, 03:47 PM
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Soldiers certainly do deserve more compensation for what they do for all of us.
Them doing what they do, at the wages they accept, stops all our oil boys from being drafted for service.
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06-12-2013, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by huntinstuff
Why do people complain about how much money other people make?
Logically, they complain about people who make more than they do. Why would they complain about the $10 per hour guy at WalMart.
Does making more $ mean u are a better or worse person? No. It just means you make more money. That's it.
I see this on here all the time.
If you aren't happy with what you make, work more. Now that's an original thought. If your current job doesn't pay enough for you, leave. Find something else. If you don't qualify for something else, perhaps you need to upgrade or make some changes.
Saying that "this guy gets $100K a year for doing nothing" is just crying.
I know a few guys that make $5-9 million per year in wages. They EARN it. They buy things, they go places. Do they get dirt under their fingernails? No. They hire guys to do work like that. If you are the type of guy he hires, be thankful rather than resentful. He feeds you.
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Great post.
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06-12-2013, 04:23 PM
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It's got to do with demographics and not that people dislike the thought of making a career in the RCMP. There simply isn't enough young people in Canada to replace all of us retiring baby boomers and the problem isn't unique to the RCMP. When I was in the military the CF recognized the problem and started new incentive programs to recruit and retain personnel. It's also why the government is making changes to immigration, recognizing foreign training/education (ie doctors), skill training programs, etc.
The next generation entering the workforce have a lot of opportunity and a ton of different career choices to pick from and not as many are going to pursue a military or law enforcement career IMO.
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06-12-2013, 08:16 PM
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 Its not just the rcmp, it is all public sector jobs ie.nurses,county/city employees, water treatment operators and so on,its because working for the public these days sucks a**,people expect everything for nothing and have no appreciation for what public servants do, i've done it for ten years now and down to ten days left , yahoo,if I sound bitter its because i am,working for the public sucks
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06-12-2013, 08:50 PM
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Applications have nothing to do with recruitment, as far as what they are talking about here, the numbers of recruits are dictated by the treasury board, they decide how much money goes to depot, then they fill it accordingly. The low numbers is strictly because the federal govt cut back the money. They still range around 14000 applications a
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06-12-2013, 11:47 PM
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Interesting Titan. Not disagreeing with you but a friend I had (who is now retired) told me a story where he was nearly hauled up for insubordination for refusing to sign off on some new first nation hires that couldn't pass the background check.
His superiors ordered him to sign off, he refused and old them that if they wanted to hire these guys and short circuit the background check - they could sign off on it themselves. The other choice he gave them was for them to do that or order him in writing to clear the new hires.
I don't think the train wreck is on the front line even with the racist hiring practices. The train wreck is in the brass - the RC's need to get their management under control.
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That kinda sounds like shenanigans but I do have a couple questions. Why did he say they wouldn't pass the background check? Kind of the same old legend story. It starts at level one they encouraged us to give the so close it's a coin flip to level five do it or else. The wheel goes round and round though right.
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Originally Posted by 1000yards
Soldiers certainly do deserve more compensation for what they do for all of us.
Them doing what they do, at the wages they accept, stops all our oil boys from being drafted for service.
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Amen to that ^ !
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06-13-2013, 06:41 AM
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That kinda sounds like shenanigans but I do have a couple questions. Why did he say they wouldn't pass the background check? Kind of the same old legend story. It starts at level one they encouraged us to give the so close it's a coin flip to level five do it or else. The wheel goes round and round though right.
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Don't think so, BB. Given the scandals and crap going on over there I would believe it on that alone. But the fella that told me the story is one of those guys the RCMP desperately needs - he has integrity that is beyond question.
I think the retirees from the force are the proof of the pudding. The split-second those guys are up for retirement - they are GONE and they don't look back. In a lot of other careers the old timers come up on retirement and many will stick around as they try and help their companies make the transition, and help the younger workers assume their duties. Or they work reduced hours to finance that motorhome or boat or retirement dream. All the cops I know are retired or close to it - and all they can think about is getting out.
Don't blame them either, Canadians treat their law enforcement like crap and it's getting worse IMHO.
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06-13-2013, 07:16 AM
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About two years ago on the Rutherford show, the subject was about RCMP switching to municipal police forces. They said that there was an increase of RCMP switching to municipal forces to give their families more stability by residing in one place as opposed to be transferred hither on yon. They also said that many RCMP members were tired of being posted to places that started with the word "Fort", or ending with the word "Creek".
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06-13-2013, 09:25 PM
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thats a pretty fast and large pay hike. Im lucky to get a buck an hour raise each year.
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Likely union negotiated. Maybe there is little responsibility in the first year and lots of on the job training. Maybe lots quit in the irst year.
Would you do the job for $80 K a year?
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06-13-2013, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by huntinstuff
Why do people complain about how much money other people make?
Logically, they complain about people who make more than they do. Why would they complain about the $10 per hour guy at WalMart.
Does making more $ mean u are a better or worse person? No. It just means you make more money. That's it.
I see this on here all the time.
If you aren't happy with what you make, work more. Now that's an original thought. If your current job doesn't pay enough for you, leave. Find something else. If you don't qualify for something else, perhaps you need to upgrade or make some changes.
Saying that "this guy gets $100K a year for doing nothing" is just crying.
I know a few guys that make $5-9 million per year in wages. They EARN it. They buy things, they go places. Do they get dirt under their fingernails? No. They hire guys to do work like that. If you are the type of guy he hires, be thankful rather than resentful. He feeds you.
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Do you have a job for me working for the city tomorrow?
I am more than willing to take the $25 per hour janitor job including benefits.
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06-13-2013, 09:52 PM
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Do you have a job for me working for the city tomorrow?
I am more than willing to take the $25 per hour janitor job including benefits.
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If I were in charge of hiring, id hire u
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06-13-2013, 10:47 PM
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Don't think so, BB. Given the scandals and crap going on over there I would believe it on that alone. But the fella that told me the story is one of those guys the RCMP desperately needs - he has integrity that is beyond question.
I think the retirees from the force are the proof of the pudding. The split-second those guys are up for retirement - they are GONE and they don't look back. In a lot of other careers the old timers come up on retirement and many will stick around as they try and help their companies make the transition, and help the younger workers assume their duties. Or they work reduced hours to finance that motorhome or boat or retirement dream. All the cops I know are retired or close to it - and all they can think about is getting out.
Don't blame them either, Canadians treat their law enforcement like crap and it's getting worse IMHO.
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Most of the guys I know (only one really well) say they enjoy it and wouldn't change careers. But that could be a case of not knowing how it was to thinking how it is isnt so bad. Granted they are younger guys (under 35) and still idealistic.
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06-14-2013, 05:47 AM
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Likely union negotiated. Maybe there is little responsibility in the first year and lots of on the job training. Maybe lots quit in the irst year.
Would you do the job for $80 K a year?
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No.
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06-14-2013, 06:37 AM
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thats a pretty fast and large pay hike. Im lucky to get a buck an hour raise each year.
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Apprentices go from 60% of a journeyman wage to 100% in four years.
Considering the job, that isn't unreasonable wages. I wouldn't do it for that.
My brother lived in a border town in Texas. I don't want my police officers making low wages.
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06-14-2013, 07:10 AM
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Lets see, dealing with speeders or people who are always innocent, picking up various body parts with a stick and a spoon of a highway (men, women and children), going into confined spaces armed not knowing if you'll be shot in the face, responding to family violence and heaps of paperwork. Takes a special person to see through the damed if you do, damed if you don't persona. Wow what a great career opportunity!
I think it's easy to crap on cops, but who do you call when s$ht hits the fan?
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06-14-2013, 11:52 AM
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Lets see, dealing with speeders or people who are always innocent, picking up various body parts with a stick and a spoon of a highway (men, women and children), going into confined spaces armed not knowing if you'll be shot in the face, responding to family violence and heaps of paperwork. Takes a special person to see through the damed if you do, damed if you don't persona. Wow what a great career opportunity!
I think it's easy to crap on cops, but who do you call when s$ht hits the fan?
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My glock lol. 
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06-14-2013, 01:30 PM
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Definitely takes a certain type of person to be a LEO (specifically Cops & RCMP), there is alot of things that they see that no one needs to see.
Do I agree with some of the things that they get? No not necessarily, but majority of that is due to good negotiating when their contracts come up. Plus you have to keep in mind the psychological effects of seeing some of that stuff. I know some RCMP retiree's and according to their wives, they never forget it.
I do think RCMP are paid well for what they do, between salary, overtime, severence, etc, they make a very good wage considering there is very little education required to become an officer.
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06-14-2013, 01:33 PM
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Not shocking what so ever.
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Definitely takes a certain type of person to be a LEO (specifically Cops & RCMP), there is alot of things that they see that no one needs to see.
Do I agree with some of the things that they get? No not necessarily, but majority of that is due to good negotiating when their contracts come up. Plus you have to keep in mind the psychological effects of seeing some of that stuff. I know some RCMP retiree's and according to their wives, they never forget it.
I do think RCMP are paid well for what they do, between salary, overtime, severence, etc, they make a very good wage considering there is very little education required to become an officer.
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06-14-2013, 02:19 PM
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Ok.. Wrong terminology.. I meant no post-secondary.. (yes I know they go to depot)..
?? Maybe i've been misinformed, but making $80k (+benefits) after three years with no post secondary education is very good..
Hell I didn't make that after 5yrs with post secondary..
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Most agencies now require post secondary.
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Definitely takes a certain type of person to be a LEO (specifically Cops & RCMP), there is alot of things that they see that no one needs to see.
Do I agree with some of the things that they get? No not necessarily, but majority of that is due to good negotiating when their contracts come up. Plus you have to keep in mind the psychological effects of seeing some of that stuff. I know some RCMP retiree's and according to their wives, they never forget it.
I do think RCMP are paid well for what they do, between salary, overtime, severence, etc, they make a very good wage considering there is very little education required to become an officer.
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I totsally agree; however, in comparison to a "good" salary in Alberta, it sucks! Anyhow, it would be nice to see them having a more formal education and for the young RCMP bucks to loose their damn cocky attitude. I got pulled over three months ago and he was suck a pr!ck. I coudn`t beleive it. Had I been retired, I would have spent the afternooon in court to battle the ticket to waste his freagin time...
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The RCMP is now widely known to be a dysfunctional organization badly in need of a full 'reboot'.
I don't imagine this makes them a highly sought after employer among idealists drawn to law enforcement.
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Particularly among women I would imagine. Who wantsto sign on to have your "brothers-in-arms" act like neanderthals and give you the gears?
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I totsally agree; however, in comparison to a "good" salary in Alberta, it sucks!
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um what.. making $80k after three years sucks? Holy hell.. Are you serious.. Not sure where you work, but that is better than P.engs after 3 years..
Remember it doesn't cap at that, it keeps going up.., not to mention isolation pay, on-call OT, benefits, severence, etc.. All in all, that $80k is probably north of $120k once you include all of that.
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06-14-2013, 03:36 PM
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um what.. making $80k after three years sucks? Holy hell.. Are you serious.. Not sure where you work, but that is better than P.engs after 3 years..
Remember it doesn't cap at that, it keeps going up.., not to mention isolation pay, on-call OT, benefits, severence, etc.. All in all, that $80k is probably north of $120k once you include all of that.
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Im gritting my teeth but I gotta agree with this. Btw.. Nobody ever chose policeing as a means of becoming wealthy. I think the job had some sort of attraction for them, but it certianly wasnt the money..... Myself im attracted to a job where i can fish and hunt to make a living. If i had that job i would be happy making the small bucks.
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