Is 30/06 best all around round?

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Rio56

I don't understand .. are you saying BC means nothing in performance

With a modern hunting bullet at the majority of ranges that animals are killed at, exactly - ZIP.
There are far more important things to worry about at 300 yards than arguing about a 7.62 bullet as compared to a 7mm bullet or a .277 or 6.5.
Grab a decent bullet weight in any if those calibers and critters will die all the same .
Cat

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by Rio56

and who says that ? velocity , drift and drop are not connected to BC .. just asking .....

They are connected ... but BC will not noticibly make any difference until beyond 3-400 yds. which is the limit of practical game shooting range. Most shooters won't be capable of holding within a couple of inches at those ranges anyway. Lots of useless game bullets with high BC's available. Lots of good ones as well. but don't judge game bullet performance on BC. Leave that for the marketing guys.

[gitrdun]

Originally Posted by Rio56

and who says that ? velocity , drift and drop are not connected to BC .. just asking .....

Anyone who has an ounce of ballistic knowledge. Of course BC is connected to downrange velocity, etc., no one will argue that. But in a hunting rifle, out to 300 yards, the slight difference in BC between a hunting bullet and another is hardly worthwhile considering. This would amount to what I'd term as "splitting hairs".

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Rio56

I now wonder why the boatail design was ever put to market .....

Boat tail design means nothing unless you are shooting at very long range .

Cat

[Rio56]

so a high BC has nothing to do with any advantage out to 3-400 yards ?

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Rio56

so a high BC has nothing to do with any advantage out to 3-400 yards ?

Like has been stated several times, there are more important things to worry about.
You may as well argue about FFP versus SFP in a scope or which type of bullet is best for bear defense.
Cat

[Rockyman41]

I almost hate how well my 30-06 performs. I keep trying to replace my Hawkeye with a rifle in a more exotic caliber but by the end of the season all I want is to take the '06 out again

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Rockyman41

I almost hate how well my 30-06 performs. I keep trying to replace my Hawkeye with a rifle in a more exotic caliber but by the end of the season all I want is to take the '06 out again

Enough said.


Dead does not give a rats arse about BC or anything else that the manufactures throw out there to justify a calibre or a bullet, the 30-06 will wack em and stack em with the best of em

[Shawnw]

I've actually never been able to tell the killing difference in any cal I've shot from 270 wsm to the 300 wsm and a few in between they all died within eyesight

[Rio56]

Originally Posted by Rockyman41

I almost hate how well my 30-06 performs. I keep trying to replace my Hawkeye with a rifle in a more exotic caliber but by the end of the season all I want is to take the '06 out again

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Enough said.


Dead does not give a rats arse about BC or anything else that the manufactures throw out there to justify a calibre or a bullet, the 30-06 will wack em and stack em with the best of em

ok tks

[EZM]

If you ask a question as general as the OP did ...... I can answer the question with a general response.

The 30-06 is an outstanding all around cartridge. It provides reasonably good energy, reasonably good velocity lending it to be relatively flat shooting and has a great selection of bullet weights to choose from.

It can reasonably dispatch almost all of North America's big game and can be loaded to accommodate some varmint/smaller game hunting.

It's an outstanding cartridge for sure .....But is it the best?

I don't know if anyone can make a air tight definitive argument for any cartridge that way ..... but the 30-06 is pretty damn good.

[sevenmil]

It would depend where you live and what you hunt the most. For North American game excluding the big bears I would say the 7mm Rem. Mag would come closer to filling the bill. That's just me and I'm not saying I'm right...

[Speckle55]

Ah my first rifle

Rem model 742 Semi 30-06 /4shot clips/nice strap

Scopechief BDC 3x9

Win 180 grain

BB/Elk/Moose/WT/MD

fast fast gun ..on a good day nice group at 100yd

16yrs old too 19 then sold, bit of a mistake but my best friend has it

now I have a Rem 700 BDL 7mm Mag for over 30 years

and wouldn't change

shoot a 175 gr PP Win same scope different disc in scope

I love this chart to use as a reference

David

Cartridge Maximum effective range[35]
7.62×39mm 600 m
5.56×45mm 600 m [36]
7.62×51mm (.308 Winchester) 800 m
7.62×54mm R 800 m
.30-06 Springfield 800 m
7 mm Remington Magnum 900–1,100 m
.300 Winchester Magnum 900–1,200 m
.338 Lapua Magnum 1,200-1,500 m
.50 BMG (12.7×99mm NATO)
12.7×108mm (Russian) 1,500–2,000 m
14.5×114mm 1,800–2,300

[Sitting Bull]

My only rifle for 30 years was an early 70's Mohawk 600 in .308. Never new anything else nor nothing about bullets and re loading. Just bought a box of ammo at the beginning of the season and went hunting. It took everything I pointed at and I was happy. Then I met a friend who was into loading and new lots about calibers and bullets etc... The more I hung with him the more I realized my .308 was not adequate any more, and so began the aquisition of better calibers needed for our animals here in Alberta.
I guess what I am saying is I really did not need to search for the perfect caliber. At that time the .308 was doing just fine.
The search for the best caliber has only cost me much money, got to try out various rifles, learned a whole bunch about guns and got into reloading. Now I have a hobby gained some knowledge and have met some great people I would not have met, and joined this forum.
I, like many others believe there is not a best caliber. Just lots of them to to try. That to me is the fun of our sport.

[Sitting Bull]

Forgot to mention, I sure miss that Mohawk.

[ForwardBias]

Originally Posted by Sitting Bull

My only rifle for 30 years was an early 70's Mohawk 600 in .308. Never new anything else nor nothing about bullets and re loading. Just bought a box of ammo at the beginning of the season and went hunting. It took everything I pointed at and I was happy. Then I met a friend who was into loading and new lots about calibers and bullets etc... The more I hung with him the more I realized my .308 was not adequate any more, and so began the aquisition of better calibers needed for our animals here in Alberta.
I guess what I am saying is I really did not need to search for the perfect caliber. At that time the .308 was doing just fine.
The search for the best caliber has only cost me much money, got to try out various rifles, learned a whole bunch about guns and got into reloading. Now I have a hobby gained some knowledge and have met some great people I would not have met, and joined this forum.
I, like many others believe there is not a best caliber. Just lots of them to to try. That to me is the fun of our sport.

Good post.

[Smokinyotes]

I'm not sure if you could even kill an animal with a 30-06. If the '06 was sooo good why do they make so many different calibers and chamber so many different rifles in different cartridges?

[petew]

Nothing I wouldn't tackle here with an 06 loaded with 165 partitions. If that won't kill it, I will hide from it.

[Bowie]

Originally Posted by Smokinyotes

I'm not sure if you could even kill an animal with a 30-06. If the '06 was sooo good why do they make so many different calibers and chamber so many different rifles in different cartridges?

Money would be one reason. Just like a new model of range finder or bino or camo come out every year. Or how a manufacturer changes the slightest thing about a rifle like the trigger guard and tell you it has achieved greater accuracy

[petew]

Originally Posted by Smokinyotes

I'm not sure if you could even kill an animal with a 30-06. If the '06 was sooo good why do they make so many different calibers and chamber so many different rifles in different cartridges?

PT Barnum had an explanation.

[Bergerboy]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

Boat tail design means nothing unless you are shooting at very long range .

Cat

Ive been preaching this for years. For the average person the function of a boat tail is useless. I have found that flat base bullets are much easier to tame. I ran the numbers long ago of the virtues of boat tails vs flat base bullets and if I remember correctly the significant changes are around 600m.

[Xbolt7mm]

243,,,, it will kill anything on the planet with a top quality bullet and a well placed shot,,,,,,,,

[Bergerboy]

Originally Posted by Xbolt7mm

243,,,, it will kill anything on the planet with a top quality bullet and a well placed shot,,,,,,,,

So will a .22

[Dean2]

Originally Posted by Rio56

so a high BC has nothing to do with any advantage out to 3-400 yards ?

I like to know that I can reach out and touch something a long ways out if I really want to. For that reason I tend to shoot high velocity and high B.C. bullets when a long shot is likely. The high velocity and B.C. flattens the trajectory and really reduces the wind drift but both of those effects only start to show up at over 300 yards.

The antelope I shot this year was at 527 yards. Since antelope country is almost always windy, shots can be long and the target is small you want to maximize your advantages. Therefore, I used a 7 RUM with a 162 grain boattail Hollow Point bullets with a B.C. of .625, that was doing 3300 fps. The cow elk I took this year was 565 yards down a long pipeline. It was shot with a 308 firing a 130 Grain Barnes with a B.C. of .345 and a muzzle velocity of 3150 fps. Both guns are zeroed at 300 yards. Both animals were one shot kills, neither went anywhere, they dropped where they were shot.

The previous 4 seasons I never shot any of my large game over 180 yards, most of it was in fact under 100 yards. Either gun works fine at those ranges too. Since we do a lot of walking I carry the 308 most of the time because it weighs 6 lbs, incl scope, sling and a full mag and the RUM is closer to 10 Lbs.

Like I and a number of others have said, high BCs have their place but to 300 yards most modern bolt actions from 6mm through 375 are flat enough shooting, and wind drift is small enough, unless you are hunting in a heck of a gale, that with a 200 yard zero you can pretty much point and shoot to 270 yards regardless of the bullets B.C.

[Mangosteen]

Looked hard for 3006 on this list with a magnifying glass but nowhere to be mentioned. All around seems like 6.5 mm is best.


http://precisionrifleblog.com/2014/1...-the-pros-use/

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Mangosteen

Looked hard for 3006 on this list with a magnifying glass but nowhere to be mentioned. All around seems like 6.5 mm is best.


http://precisionrifleblog.com/2014/1...-the-pros-use/

Find a box of shells in a remote area...you will find a box of 30-06.

There is a lot more to the equation than just ballistics when you look at all around calibre, availability, shoot ability, performance etc that is where this cartridge fills most of all the criteria very well.

Not saying it is the best at one thing but if you had to break it down and score this cartridge for its intended purpose it would score higher than most in many situations and overall have the winning numbers.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Mangosteen

Looked hard for 3006 on this list with a magnifying glass but nowhere to be mentioned. All around seems like 6.5 mm is best.


http://precisionrifleblog.com/2014/1...-the-pros-use/

That's a friggin blog about precision rifle shooting .
Quit arguing using BS and get into reality
Your argument makes as much sense as the BC tactic
People are simply going to have to admit that the 3096 is the most popular and has been for a very long time.
I don't even own one and can admit that .
Cat

[Nate_K1500]

sure is!

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

Boat tail design means nothing unless you are shooting at very long range .

Cat

well that's simply not true!!! they're way easier to sit in the case neck when you're seating

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

well that's simply not true!!! they're way easier to sit in the case neck when you're seating

Yep lining things up with old eyes and stubs for fingers these sure make it easy eh!