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06-08-2017, 12:13 PM
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I jump through hoops to be able to purchase and possess restricted and non restricted firearms and ammo. Send these clowns to prison.
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06-08-2017, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by patriot1
Where did I say everyone? Please point that out.
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My comment was that if (that's IF) NOBODY on this forum (that's tens of thousands of people) had ever heard of or dealt with them, that would be a red flag. You disagreed and used the broke grinder analogy. So by YOUR reasoning, the entire membership here would have to be broke grinders that this company specifically did not want to deal with.
In any event, we have now found someone who has done business with them. I assume he's not a broke grinder. LOL
Anyway, more broadly, we may disagree with the present laws. We may battle to change them. But we have to respect and follow them. Because every time we don't, it just puts another round in the chamber of the antis, who can say "Look at that. These guys don't even follow the minimal laws that are in place. They can't be trusted."
AND we won't know if they broke any laws until the trial.
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Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate
In this case Oki has cut to to the exact heart of the matter!
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06-08-2017, 12:22 PM
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Bought 17 amo from these guys a few times most times i was asked for a pal only once was i not . should off bought 2 bricks last time i was there i guess .
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06-08-2017, 01:10 PM
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K&D is well known down there, all the way to Pincher and the Pass. We bought several guns from them for fundraising auctions for our trappers association. Very accommodating. Great selection. And not just guns but everything for camping, ice fishing, etc. This is sad news but if they failed to do the necessary checks, and someone reported them... well, I guess the law is the law.
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06-08-2017, 01:43 PM
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Time will tell what the specifics are - be it organized crime, or failure of due diligence (checking pals).
• If it was organized crime, then good.
• If its selling restricted to people without a rPAL, then tough luck, rules is rules…
• If it’s simply failure to check pals for non-restricteds or ammo, then i think the writing is on the wall for us gun owners.
It would have been on the direction of higher rank RCMP or Crown Prosecution to press formal charges, display all those guns and ammo, take photos and send to the media. And I’m cautiously hopeful they would not have gone to these lengths if this wasn’t serious (and involving a criminal element) ….
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06-08-2017, 01:55 PM
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I'm afraid media is gonna have a field day with this one ...dont believe for a second that it has to anything to do with organised crime
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06-08-2017, 01:57 PM
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I have never dealt with the store so I have no comment on the charges.
As far as not showing your P.A.L to purchase ammo or a firearm. Check out the recent religious accommodation made by the CFO. Special people don't have to have there picture taken or displayed on there P.A.L
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06-08-2017, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by honda610
I have never dealt with the store so I have no comment on the charges.
As far as not showing your P.A.L to purchase ammo or a firearm. Check out the recent religious accommodation made by the CFO. Special people don't have to have there picture taken or displayed on there P.A.L
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that's BS one rule for all sad world
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06-08-2017, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Okotokian
Here we go! As we old timers used to say, IBTL
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I'm serious. What am I missing here? Don't all PAL's have the persons picture on them?
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06-08-2017, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by waterninja
I'm serious. What am I missing here? Don't all PAL's have the persons picture on them?
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no they do not.
There are some religous groups (muslims for example) who do not have to have a picture on their firearms license. yet another example of how canada must bend and change the rules to accommodate foreigners who want to change what used to be a great country! ...... sorry almost got on a rant there.
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06-08-2017, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by waterninja
I'm serious. What am I missing here? Don't all PAL's have the persons picture on them?
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PM sent. Let's leave it at that.
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Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate
In this case Oki has cut to to the exact heart of the matter!
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06-08-2017, 05:42 PM
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Good store!
Best selection of ammo
Flytying gear
Fishin tackle
In Southern Alberta hands down!
Bought lots of ammo there. They asked to see PAL every time.
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06-08-2017, 05:56 PM
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bought lots of stuff over the years at K & D. One of the best hunting & fishing stores in Alberta. Great people to deal with. Unlike some of you I will wait for the outcome of the trial ,if there is one , before I pass judgement.
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06-08-2017, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Avidhuntr
no they do not.
There are some religous groups (muslims for example) who do not have to have a picture on their firearms license. yet another example of how canada must bend and change the rules to accommodate foreigners who want to change what used to be a great country! ...... sorry almost got on a rant there.
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LOL I hear you OKO. Don't people who are exempt from having to show a PAL still have to show some other kind of ID that proves they are exempt? Which in effect is pretty well the same thing?
EDIT... Opps. Oh well, your both on same page.
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06-08-2017, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bessiedog
Good store!
Best selection of ammo
Flytying gear
Fishin tackle
In Southern Alberta hands down!
Bought lots of ammo there. They asked to see PAL every time.
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X2!!
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06-08-2017, 06:56 PM
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X3
Great little store ,Had a large inventory of great stuff ,decently priced as well
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06-08-2017, 07:03 PM
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X4
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06-08-2017, 07:34 PM
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06-08-2017, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by silverdoctor
Has to be more to this story.
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No there doesn't
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06-08-2017, 08:22 PM
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I've never even heard of this store
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So?
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06-08-2017, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Okotokian
and no one on this forum has heard of them or dealt with them.
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Wrong. Again
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06-08-2017, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian Adams
Wrong. Again
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X2
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06-08-2017, 08:45 PM
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I wouldn't exactly say set up but it does fall right into the antis lap .
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06-08-2017, 08:45 PM
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It could have been something as simple as a store owner or clerk selling an item to a regular customer without asking him for his PAL like he may have done innumerable times before because he recognises the customer a s an upstanding member of the community and knows he has a licence. Someone may have witnessed this and complained.
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06-08-2017, 08:49 PM
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Southern AB gun store accused of selling guns illegally
Hey just saw on the news he other day that the Amish have been moving to the maritime and oddly they don't need a picture on their pal.
Just thought I would throw that out since it was coming out.
Although the MSM was making seem bigger than it was , they were selling binary explosives after all.
But really they mostly just stepped on their own nards and it will cost them.
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06-08-2017, 08:51 PM
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06-08-2017, 09:03 PM
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It could have been something as simple as a store owner or clerk selling an item to a regular customer without asking him for his PAL like he may have done innumerable times before because he recognises the customer a s an upstanding member of the community and knows he has a licence. Someone may have witnessed this and complained.
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I know someone personally who did the PAL course at this store, and then as soon as possible purchased a firearm. They knew the owners personally. When you know your customers that well, and considering the need to show a document that may as well be a piece of loose leaf scribbled on in a dark alley, this seems to be a little overkill.
But there is more to the story, and we will only get to hear the negatives.
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06-08-2017, 11:40 PM
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Did my PAL re-cert couple years ago, and ya, it was in the back of the store, and, well, I noticed, stuff everywhere. I'm told the old man is a very prominent member of the church. Good people, just, a little old school, but did break the law, the law is the law love it or hate it.
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06-08-2017, 11:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bessiedog
Good store!
Best selection of ammo
Flytying gear
Fishin tackle
In Southern Alberta hands down!
Bought lots of ammo there. They asked to see PAL every time.
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Same experience here.
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06-08-2017, 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by wildbill
Did my PAL re-cert couple years ago, and ya, it was in the back of the store, and, well, I noticed, stuff everywhere. I'm told the old man is a very prominent member of the church. Good people, just, a little old school, but did break the law, the law is the law love it or hate it.
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Considering this is in Cardson, I take it you mean a prominent member of the Mormon church? I ask because they have a very specific doctrine as outline in the following quote, which comes from https://www.lds.org/manual/doctrine-...-laws?lang=eng
Abraham Lincoln once observed: “Bad laws, if they exist, should be repealed as soon as possible; still, while they continue in force, they should be religiously observed.” This is the attitude of the Church in regard to law observance. We agree with the author of the following statement: “In reality the man who defies or flouts the law is like the proverbial fool who saws away the plank on which he sits, and a disrespect or disregard for law is always the first sign of a disintegrating society. Respect for law is the most fundamental of all social virtues, for the alternative to the rule of law is that of violence and anarchy.” (Case and Comment. March/April issue, 1965, p. 20.) There is no reason or justification for men to disregard or break the law or try to take it into their own hands
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