Youth crossbow season

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by reddeerhunter

So if a 12 year old girl stalks a buck to 40yds and gets set up on shooting sticks to hold the crossbow(or an 80 yr old man), thats deer is wayyyyy deader than the 100yd shooter sitting out at 60???



You are very misinformed. Please ask around about shot distances. People will say on this forum they would never shoot past 50yds at a game animal but thats to avoid the chastised dot com crowd.


Please just hear me out that 75% of the people I know that are harvesting via compound bow are killing from 60+. To 100yds very efficiently.


So big deal I want my daughter crawling with me across stubble instead of playing on her iphone and snap chat. So we can sneak in to 40 or 50 and get her on the sticks and after 2 hrs anticipation or so she has a chance of getting it done.


I just find it silly. But such is life.


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Im all about restricting bow use as well. I agree. Its gotten way over its skis.

[sns2]

Why isn’t it just okay for a kid to be a kid? That’s what a 12 year old is. Everything in this whole world it seems needs to be instant gratification. I don’t understand this line of thinking, but that’s just me.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by sns2

Why isn’t it just okay for a kid to be a kid? That’s what a 12 year old is. Everything in this whole world it seems needs to be instant gratification. I don’t understand this line of thinking, but that’s just me.

Unfortunately it’s not the kids that have the issue. It’s the adults they associate with.

[reddeerhunter]

Originally Posted by sns2

Why isn’t it just okay for a kid to be a kid? That’s what a 12 year old is. Everything in this whole world it seems needs to be instant gratification. I don’t understand this line of thinking, but that’s just me.

So you are against xbow for kids? Wait til they call pull back 40lbs? Cool. Just say that.


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[reddeerhunter]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

Unfortunately it’s not the kids that have the issue. It’s the adults they associate with.

So I am a bad parent to want my kid to enjoy more season using a different arrow launcher one that a kid can effectively use?


Is that the insinuation?


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[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by reddeerhunter

So I am a bad parent to want my kid to enjoy more season using a different arrow launcher one that a kid can effectively use?


Is that the insinuation?


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So the kid doesn't enjoy accompanying you, while you hunt? She won't enjoy it, unless she can kill something?

[walking buffalo]

Reddeerhunter,

Rather than backnforth with those here that oppose the idea,
your time would be better spent working on the proposal.

Are you going to do this, for other people's kids (yours will age probably age out before any changes are made), or are you waiting for someone else to do it?

[reddeerhunter]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

So the kid doesn't enjoy accompanying you, while you hunt? She won't enjoy it, unless she can kill something?

She has been on numerous hunts, killed a bear herself this spring with a crossbow. I dont think its as exciting as the kids harvesting themselves watching. Not even close. Its not entitlement or spoiling kids its just giving them more opportunities until they are able to pull a bow. Heck my 14 yr old killed a bigger buck with his bow than most guys I know will ever take. And it would have been equally as special if he could have done it when he was 12, or maybe even more cuz he was that much younger.


Kid can use a rifle in the rut, why not let them use a crossbow? Thats not bad parenting. I would really love to see the line of church going Doctors you have created. Yikes.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by reddeerhunter

So I am a bad parent to want my kid to enjoy more season using a different arrow launcher one that a kid can effectively use?


Is that the insinuation?


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No.

And it doesn’t make me a bad person for saying I don’t agree with it.

[reddeerhunter]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

Reddeerhunter,

Rather than backnforth with those here that oppose the idea,
your time would be better spent working on the proposal.

Are you going to do this, for other people's kids (yours will age probably age out before any changes are made), or are you waiting for someone else to do it?

I would advocate change for sure, but if the hunting community is dead set against it, not much hope for the city voters is there? I will have grandkids hereafter, and I will most certainly look into voicing where it matters. Step 1 convince AO ers

I love seeing kids harvest, I dont care how they do it either. Ethically law abiding of course.

[reddeerhunter]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

No.

And it doesn’t make me a bad person for saying I don’t agree with it.

Unfortunately it’s not the kids that have the issue. It’s the adults they associate with


Well please explain this what you meant. ???

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by reddeerhunter

Unfortunately it’s not the kids that have the issue. It’s the adults they associate with


Well please explain this what you meant. ???

I meant exactly what I said. We are all guilty of it.

[DirtShooter]

Sounds like dad (op) just wants daughter to start stacking bodies earlier than she would otherwise be able to do so.

I don't see a reason why she couldn't accompany you and watch you stick arrows into critters and learn that to hunt the early season you need to be physically and mentally capable.

As for gramps well anyone who's a grampa likely had a lifetime of chances to fling arrows so maybe being a geriatric he could get an actual crossbow license with some kind of ailment or injury.

[reddeerhunter]

Originally Posted by DirtShooter

Sounds like dad (op) just wants daughter to start stacking bodies earlier than she would otherwise be able to do so.

I don't see a reason why she couldn't accompany you and watch you stick arrows into critters and learn that to hunt the early season you need to be physically and mentally capable.

As for gramps well anyone who's a grampa likely had a lifetime of chances to fling arrows so maybe being a geriatric he could get an actual crossbow license with some kind of ailment or injury.

Alrighty. Thank you all for the feedback and the shenanigans over the years. Stacking bodies? Yahoo.


Stay kind to each other and we will see yall in the field.


Peace and love.

RDH.

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by reddeerhunter

I would advocate change for sure, but if the hunting community is dead set against it, not much hope for the city voters is there? I will have grandkids hereafter, and I will most certainly look into voicing where it matters. Step 1 convince AO ers

I love seeing kids harvest, I dont care how they do it either. Ethically law abiding of course.

You do have some support, perhaps even a majority of hunters.
Do you really need Chuck to be on board?

Step 1 is not "convince AO".
And you know it.


Add this thread to the hundreds where someone wants to see a change, but....

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by reddeerhunter

She has been on numerous hunts, killed a bear herself this spring with a crossbow. I dont think its as exciting as the kids harvesting themselves watching. Not even close. Its not entitlement or spoiling kids its just giving them more opportunities until they are able to pull a bow. Heck my 14 yr old killed a bigger buck with his bow than most guys I know will ever take. And it would have been equally as special if he could have done it when he was 12, or maybe even more cuz he was that much younger.


Kid can use a rifle in the rut, why not let them use a crossbow? Thats not bad parenting. I would really love to see the line of church going Doctors you have created. Yikes.

If you think that this has anything to do with going to church or doctors, then it's obvious where the issue is.

Just curious though, what ages would you want to see able to use crossbows in archery season? 12-14? 12-16? If a child is smaller and weaker than normal should they be able to continue until 18? How about smaller weaker adults, should they be allowed to use crossbows for life? Once given the opportunity, to use a crossbow in place of a bow, who will want to give up the crossbow? How do you determine who really is too weak, and who will fake it to keep using a crossbow?

[58thecat]

Told you this was about to go off the rails again.

To the OP it’s great you are getting you and yours out enjoying the outdoors and what it has to offer.

Best of luck this upcoming season.


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[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Told you this was about to go off the rails again.

To the OP it’s great you are getting you and yours out enjoying the outdoors and what it has to offer.

Best of luck this upcoming season.


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How is this off the rails? Most of the replies are actually on the topic in question.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

How is this off the rails? Most of the replies are actually on the topic in question.

Exactly ,some people just see things different, their version of reality isn't the same as ours.

[Curtsyneil]

Originally Posted by reddeerhunter

She has been on numerous hunts, killed a bear herself this spring with a crossbow. I dont think its as exciting as the kids harvesting themselves watching. Not even close. Its not entitlement or spoiling kids its just giving them more opportunities until they are able to pull a bow. Heck my 14 yr old killed a bigger buck with his bow than most guys I know will ever take. And it would have been equally as special if he could have done it when he was 12, or maybe even more cuz he was that much younger.


Kid can use a rifle in the rut, why not let them use a crossbow? Thats not bad parenting. I would really love to see the line of church going Doctors you have created. Yikes.

Kids can use cross bow at the age of 12 in November(nov1-30th)!! I don't know why you think they only can only use a rifle. Instead of taking your gun in for your daughter to use you just take the crossbow. Nov1-30th. Sounds like to me there able to use a cross bow at 12 years old.

[Bushrat]

Theres a reason why they don't allow crossbows in bow season and it has nothing to do with kids. It's about keeping a higher level of difficulty to harvest animals. Kids need to understand this as well as adults. If they wanted a special crossbow season for kids we would have one already.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Exactly ,some people just see things different, their version of reality isn't the same as ours.

Imagine that

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Imagine that

Here you are derailing this thread again.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Bushrat

Theres a reason why they don't allow crossbows in bow season and it has nothing to do with kids. It's about keeping a higher level of difficulty to harvest animals. Kids need to understand this as well as adults. If they wanted a special crossbow season for kids we would have one already.

Not true, having a dedicated youth crossbow season needs to be tossed around and maybe it will get some traction and consideration.
Maybe it was tossed around but got shut down doesn't hurt to have another go at it.
Some will dig their heals in and groan and moan but generally speaking those are people that don't do well with change in general.
I get it change for the sake of change sometimes is not beneficial but sometimes it is.
Funny how when mentioned crossbow in a archery season or bow zone is a bad thing. Many threads on this topic to search.

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Not true, having a dedicated youth crossbow season needs to be tossed around and maybe it will get some traction and consideration.
Maybe it was tossed around but got shut down doesn't hurt to have another go at it.
Some will dig their heals in and groan and moan but generally speaking those are people that don't do well with change in general.
I get it change for the sake of change sometimes is not beneficial but sometimes it is.
Funny how when mentioned crossbow in a archery season or bow zone is a bad thing. Many threads on this topic to search.

Its been tossed around lots. It comes down to that crossbows can be cocked and held at full draw for hours just like a rifle can be, no or little movement needed when an animal comes into bow range. When using a bow it cannot be held indefinately by even the strongest man and basically has to be drawn when the animal is in range, that movement that comes with the draw at close range is the cause of animals spooking and not getting shot. All that would happen is more animals getting shot by kids with crossbows in bow season and eventually result in shorter seasons.

Too many people see crossbows as having an unfair advantage and do not consider them archery tackle. Crossbows remove one of the major challenges of bowhunting, offer an advantage deemed unfair by a majority of bow hunters and the officials that makes and set hunting seasons and regulations. Thats why they are not allowed in archery season.

If you want to lobby for regulation and season changes more power to you. Just don't expect everyone to cave in to minority desires when the majority does not see everything your way.

[rugerfan]

Originally Posted by Bushrat

Its been tossed around lots. It comes down to that crossbows can be cocked and held at full draw for hours just like a rifle can be, no or little movement needed when an animal comes into bow range. When using a bow it cannot be held indefinately by even the strongest man and basically has to be drawn when the animal is in range, that movement that comes with the draw at close range is the cause of animals spooking and not getting shot. All that would happen is more animals getting shot by kids with crossbows in bow season and eventually result in shorter seasons.

Too many people see crossbows as having an unfair advantage and do not consider them archery tackle. Crossbows remove one of the major challenges of bowhunting, offer an advantage deemed unfair by a majority of bow hunters and the officials that makes and set hunting seasons and regulations. Thats why they are not allowed in archery season.

If you want to lobby for regulation and season changes more power to you. Just don't expect everyone to cave in to minority desires when the majority does not see everything your way.

I agree. I believe it would cause more problems than it’s worth to benefit the handful of youth that genuinely can’t shoot a bow of legal draw weight (which is in the process of being reduced anyway). Opening it up to crossbow use will have people who’ve never had any interest in putting in the effort to practice archery and get out in the early season ruining around with their kid and a crossbow just because they can. Much of our larger game has low enough numbers as it is now, additional pressure of that sort at critical breeding times can only detriment them. Not to mention the increase in lost/wounded/spoiled animals with a bunch of weekend warriors who aren’t prepared to deal with a kill in the warmer weather.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Bushrat

Its been tossed around lots. It comes down to that crossbows can be cocked and held at full draw for hours just like a rifle can be, no or little movement needed when an animal comes into bow range. When using a bow it cannot be held indefinately by even the strongest man and basically has to be drawn when the animal is in range, that movement that comes with the draw at close range is the cause of animals spooking and not getting shot. All that would happen is more animals getting shot by kids with crossbows in bow season and eventually result in shorter seasons.

Too many people see crossbows as having an unfair advantage and do not consider them archery tackle. Crossbows remove one of the major challenges of bowhunting, offer an advantage deemed unfair by a majority of bow hunters and the officials that makes and set hunting seasons and regulations. Thats why they are not allowed in archery season.

If you want to lobby for regulation and season changes more power to you. Just don't expect everyone to cave in to minority desires when the majority does not see everything your way.

Valid points, thank you.
Not asking anyone to cave in to minority desires but if tabled at a later time the minority may become the majority as the tide changes...old guard out and new guard in type thing.
Advantages and disadvantages can be tossed around and rightfully should be in a discussion that may/may not lead to changes.
When I got into archery 30 years ago I sure liked the let off allowing me time to hold longer with little to know movement, except the dam heart beating louder than a kids drum set....my sons hoyt bow sure is sweet to hold long and steady....funny I mentioned this years ago and got the grind from a purist traditional guy...he has an opinion shared by many regarding cam bows and all the gadgets etc but that's all part of it and wouldn't have it any other way...strong and opinionated yet respectful.
Time will tell how Alberta's future archery seasons comes around, change, no change, we will see.

[DirtShooter]

You could say goodbye to the quality in the bow zones if crossbows were allowed there.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by DirtShooter

You could say goodbye to the quality in the bow zones if crossbows were allowed there.

Same was said by many traditional archery hunters about compound bows too but here we are.

If I was a betting man there will be changes coming down in the future and like normal some will/will not agree.

[DirtShooter]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Same was said by many traditional archery hunters about compound bows too but here we are.

If I was a betting man there will be changes coming down in the future and like normal some will/will not agree.

I can't see a crossbow free for fall in the bow zone happening nor can I see the ops idea happening.