Illegal to cross rivers with OHV'S

[HowSwedeItIs]

Oh don't give me that nonsense, this has been an issue as long as there's been OHV's

[ctd]

So now if a guy is on a designated trail that crosses a river or stream and has no bridge and no designated crossing that is indicated then you have to turn around.

When your out hunting you cannot cross any body of water, this would include swamps, creeks rivers etc on a wheeled or tracked vehicle.

what is a designated trail?

[ctd]

Water crossing at a designated trail is god to go. as long as the trail is mapped I would assume it is good to cross a water body.
As there is no definition from the Government about what a designated trail is.

If someone has the official definition please post up.

This has been a pretty good discussion so far.

It seems some of the rules have been changed over the last 10 years or so.

[Albertacoyotecaller]

So F&W never instructed to put up a piece of barb wire across the trail?

Idiots that do this should be....

[sjd]

A designated trail is a legally designated route identified in a public land use zone or park. Given that there are basically no PLUZ in northern Alberta it means that there are no designated trails so you would be breaking the law on any trail or cutline that crosses a creek in northern Alberta.

Seems like the planning hasn't caught up with the law but no wheels in water is a pretty good rule of thumb.

[^v^Tinda wolf^v^]

Take hunter valley for example, I've ridden every trail in the area and yes there is a couple sections on the trail where you have to cross a creek/ waterbody. These are designated marked trails, there should be some more signage in place though for unmarked areas your not allowed to cross. I think it was a trail from the 390 that crossed a river up into the 500 series trails. No signage anywhere saying no crossing but there should be right here becuase most other areas you are allowed. They do a great job of marking the trails, how ever unless you study the land use map which I did, a person would never guess becuase most or alot of people don't use the land use map. Word of caution to those using the forestry back road that goes west in hunter valley, one section of the road has been washed away and a person could do some serious damage to their machine or even vehicle if your not paying attention.

[cschache]

I don't want to side line this thread but I have a question that maybe some can answer, in regards to river boats (which I do not own a boat) running the river, what kind of disturbance do these cause if any to the river bottoms when water levels are high or low?

[ctd]

The rules also state one cannot ride down right aways, pipelines or transmission lines unless by permit for work.

It seems to me when they re wrote the legislation in 2011, they left out some important definitions, along with riding on non FLUs and Recreation Areas.

So the rules as stated now say designated trails. Yet they have no official definition of a designated trail. They also have no definition of approved water crossing. Other then to state at a designated trail, use a bridge, culvert or approved fording.

It seems to me that they have effectively banned all off road vehicle use during non winter months in the back country.

Hmm interesting to see how this pans out.

If anyone has any more answers it would be good to hear. Maybe someone on here is a Peace Officer with the Alberta Government in the proper ministry, and can find a definite answer.

This can mean some serious consequences foe those who use a off road vehicle for hunting, fishing and out door leisure.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by cschache

I don't want to side line this thread but I have a question that maybe some can answer, in regards to river boats (which I do not own a boat) running the river, what kind of disturbance do these cause if any to the river bottoms when water levels are high or low?

One evil devil machine at a time. Those are next I'm sure.

[Talking moose]

Any hip waders with an imprint of greater than size 9 have severe impacts to habitat and fish reproduction.

[Mistagin]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

Any hip waders with an imprint of greater than size 9 have severe impacts to habitat and fish reproduction.

I know a guy with size 9 and he weighs over 300 lbs . Me, on the other hand, am a size 10 and weigh a lot less than that .

And what about those who walk the stream beds while shuffling their feet rather than lifting up and putting down gently ?

Aw, hey, just ban them all - including a ban on anyone being within 30 metes of any water

[Joholio]

Cross water courses at 90 degree angle or the shortest possible distance. Legal.

[sjd]

Originally Posted by Joholio

Cross water courses at 90 degree angle or the shortest possible distance. Legal.

Not legal. See the links above to the regulation. No wheels in water not on a designated trail.

[sjd]

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[Joholio]

This province is swirling around the bowl about to flush. Fun haters everywhere. Anyone ever travel to Arizona where you can ride ohv's to the casino or the store? Im not saying everyone should go drive in across a creek but 99% of the trails not in a PLUZ are not marked, so what are people supposed to doo while legally riding their registered and insured ohvs on these trails that are open legally? All these rules suck donkey balls, and in the end it will all be closed to all user groups, much to the satisfaction of the people who do not posess the skills or gumption to venture off the pavement. Sad really, this place used to be quite fun.

[Joholio]

With the ndp in power, the AWA and other groups are rushing to fill their mandates. If you like using these trails, you better join a group such as the BHAS or Friends of the Eastern Slopes and attend meetings and be respectful and not wreck it for everybody when you are out and about. It will ultimately affect all local businesses(Lodgepole, Nordegg, Caroline...), as well as every RV dealer in the province and all the businesses that feed off the maintenance of Trailers, Quads, Sleds, etc... Not to mention all the lost revenue in the registration office and insurance brokers.

Be careful what you wish for fellow outdoorsmen. Even the OP stated he uses his atv on the crown land trails.

Fk it, I say close it all to everybody. Hunting, Fishing, Trapping, everything... and get a better programming package for your TV. How doo you like them apples?

[ctd]

They changed the rules. You use to be able to cross streams or rivers in the most direct route. from a trail.

[Joholio]

Well thanks for informing me.

[Quinn]

Originally Posted by Joholio

With the ndp in power, the AWA and other groups are rushing to fill their mandates. If you like using these trails, you better join a group such as the BHAS or Friends of the Eastern Slopes and attend meetings and be respectful and not wreck it for everybody when you are out and about. It will ultimately affect all local businesses(Lodgepole, Nordegg, Caroline...), as well as every RV dealer in the province and all the businesses that feed off the maintenance of Trailers, Quads, Sleds, etc... Not to mention all the lost revenue in the registration office and insurance brokers.

Be careful what you wish for fellow outdoorsmen. Even the OP stated he uses his atv on the crown land trails.

Fk it, I say close it all to everybody. Hunting, Fishing, Trapping, everything... and get a better programming package for your TV. How doo you like them apples?

Trails not on the trail map or unmarked are not legal trails....

[Joholio]

Originally Posted by Quinn

Trails not on the trail map or unmarked are not legal trails....

Ok so are all of the trails (not PLUZ)at South Fork, North Fork, Chambers, etc all illegal trails? None are marked on a map. Several are pipeline ROWs. I see RVs and ohvs there all the time.

[Joholio]

Rig Street?

[^v^Tinda wolf^v^]

I don't ever recall seeing any trail markers at south fork or rig street. Actually last I was out but not riding I did see a trail marker on rig street on the side of the road, not sure if they are marked in the bush though. The problem with most fun activities these days is lack of signs to say don't do this. I agree some people are offended by these polite warnings but they are needed more to let people know not to do the thing in question. Books in the bush just don't cut it, signs are needed more.

[^v^Tinda wolf^v^]

Originally Posted by Joholio

Rig Street?

I see ray finally switched to the dark side never thought I'd see the day

[Joholio]

I puked in my mouth and swallowed it and puked again. Welcome to the police state.

[^v^Tinda wolf^v^]

Was it the bluelaid ?

[Joholio]

Originally Posted by ^v^Tinda wolf^v^

Was it the bluelaid ?

No its all the rules being jammed down our throats. Stay on topic

[^v^Tinda wolf^v^]

Your right and I will and besides no one would get it except you and I anyways.

The problem is they can't govern anything like they should so they ban. Same as anything else the government can't govern. Next will be off road gangs with full colors and zones to stay away from. Ridiculous

[Joholio]

Originally Posted by ^v^Tinda wolf^v^

Your right and I will and besides no one would get it except you and I anyways.



The problem is they can't govern anything like they should so they ban. Same as anything else the government can't govern. Next will be off road gangs with full colors and zones to stay away from. Ridiculous

Whats your handle over there?

[^v^Tinda wolf^v^]

I was with Larry when he broke the danger ranger in hells canyon last summer.

Even though I don't ride right now I still did all I could to support OHV use by writing every municipality, government and constituency I possibly could and I was very polite about it. A new purchase is in the horizon and I want to make sure I'm not wasting my money. Same goes with firearms right now, the damn government is killing and hurting more industries than ever before and it's just not right. I remember a joholio from high school too 800 wing ring a bell ?

[Joholio]

Originally Posted by ^v^Tinda wolf^v^

I was with Larry when he broke the danger ranger in hells canyon last summer.



Even though I don't ride right now I still did all I could to support OHV use by writing every municipality, government and constituency I possibly could and I was very polite about it. A new purchase is in the horizon and I want to make sure I'm not wasting my money. Same goes with firearms right now, the damn government is killing and hurting more industries than ever before and it's just not right. I remember a joholio from high school too 800 wing ring a bell ?

...not really no :thinking: