Cop shoots his leg at gun range Edmonton

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

I should have researched further... Either way, it doesn't appear to an uncommon thing for police to inflict wounds on themselves.

Cop bashing attempt crashed and burned there huh?

[R3illy]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

ac·ci·dent
/ˈaksədənt/
noun
noun: accident; plural noun: accidents
1.
an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.


Will all those who have never had an accident of any kind please step forward now.

Crickets....

I would leave it to his buddies to tease him. The rest of us only dream of never having an accident.

Cops put their lives on the line for us. The majority do it professionally and with integrity and honesty.

To our police services reading this thread.

I appreciate all that your doing to help us. Keep up the great work.

Sun!

Ones job prevents you from laughing at the incident or from sharing an opinion???

I agree with elk. Few people will ever shoot themself.... the cops an idiot for doing so. Most cops would agree with this.

[Big Grey Wolf]

I find that need to be extra careful with my handgun/holster on trapline. I seems that easier to have potential for accident than with rifle that you have two hands on it all the time.

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

Cop bashing attempt crashed and burned there huh?

Who's bashing cops? Posted a few articles, big deal. No shortage of citizens shooting themselves accidentally either. Still get a chuckle out of this one. Shoots himself trying to kill a mouse.

http://torontosun.com/2012/07/21/man...6-d899c93417f6

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Nyksta

I think cops and miltary train with their firearms with different needs than what you or most others train to do with handling firearms. They have different intensities that must be met and must train at the same level. In the end its a lot of use and a lot of wear on equipment. Whether it is stress and a slip of a hand or wear and malfunctioning equipment, sometimes things happen. Who knows what happened here.

Regardless of the cause, every incident like this needs to be taken very seriously, and not just considered to be an accident. And I am sure that the incident will be investigated thoroughly as it should be.

I worked in an environment where there was the potential to lose your life on a daily basis, but with proper training, and by following procedures, the risk was greatly diminished. There were jobs that went way beyond the everyday risk, and we prepared by taking extra precautions for those jobs. The bottom line, is that although you can't eliminate all incidents, you can prevent most of them, if you recognize the potential hazards and you respect what the consequences that can happen. But the worst thing that you can do, is to fall into the "accidents happen " mindset.

[MK2750]

Remember when the police were part of the community and everyone wouldn't hesitate to jump to their defense.

When I was a little kid I was told that you can always trust a police officer in times of need.

I taught my son that he has the constitutional right to remain silent and why he should always exercise that right.

Coincidentally this "us vs them" mentality came into the works about the same time as the long gun registry.

Any of us would be charged with careless use of a firearm and possibly relieved of our firearms. I wonder if a similar type investigation takes place in this instance.

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Regardless of the cause, every incident like this needs to be taken very seriously, and not just considered to be an accident. And I am sure that the incident will be investigated thoroughly as it should be.

I worked in an environment where there was the potential to lose your life on a daily basis, but with proper training, and by following procedures, the risk was greatly diminished. There were jobs that went way beyond the everyday risk, and we prepared by taking extra precautions for those jobs. The bottom line, is that although you can't eliminate all incidents, you can prevent most of them, if you recognize the potential hazards and you respect what the consequences that can happen. But the worst thing that you can do, is to fall into the "accidents happen " mindset.

And then you add a person to the mix and anything is possible.
I don't care how well you train, how well you practice ,

Accidents can and do happen.

I like Sundance's post.

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Originally Posted by MK2750

Remember when the police were part of the community and everyone wouldn't hesitate to jump to their defense.

When I was a little kid I was told that you can always trust a police officer in times of need.

I taught my son that he has the constitutional right to remain silent and why he should always exercise that right.

Coincidentally this "us vs them" mentality came into the works about the same time as the long gun registry.

Any of us would be charged with careless use of a firearm and possibly relieved of our firearms. I wonder if a similar type investigation takes place in this instance.

What does the gun registry, what you feel about cops, and your constitutional rights have to do with a training accident?

[MK2750]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

What does the gun registry, what you feel about cops, and your constitutional rights have to do with a training accident?

The law is black and white. I say let a judge decide because that is how us ordinary folks are treated. This incident is the definition of "Careless use of a Firearm" and the officer should be guilty until proven innocent just like the rest of us.

[brohymn2]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Shooting yourself with a firearm is not a common accident. I have been using firearms for over 50 years, and neither myself, my family members, or my hunting/shooting partners have ever shot ourselves or anyone else. Because firearms have the ability to seriously injure or kill , they are to be treated much differently than most other objects, and that is why firearms accidents are so rare compared to accidents with most other objects. Shooting yourself doesn't just happen, it requires carelessness on the part of the person with the firearm. So please don't compare shooting yourself to the minor accidents that happen to people in their everyday lives. While pretty much everyone has spilled a glass of liquid, or tripped and fallen, very few people will ever shoot themselves.

I'm sure you and your family handle firearms Mich differently though than LEO/military

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[Nyksta]

Originally Posted by MK2750

The law is black and white. I say let a judge decide because that is how us ordinary folks are treated. This incident is the definition of "Careless use of a Firearm" and the officer should be guilty until proven innocent just like the rest of us.

Interesting....

[ghostguy6]

Officers shut down several northside roads while a police-escorted ambulance took the injured office to the Royal Alexandra Hospital.

“He was conscious and breathing. His injuries are not life-threatening. Our members block the intersections to get the ambulance to the hospital as soon as we could.”

So one guy with non life threatening injuries gets a police escort? Sounds like major favoritism for their brotherhood in this case. I wonder how many other calls received a delayed response because of this.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by brohymn2

I'm sure you and your family handle firearms Mich differently though than LEO/military

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We treat firearms with respect.
Another forum member that was in the armed forces reserve, told me that he was shocked as to how some military personnel handled firearms. He told me that he had never seen such careless handling of firearms, as when they took part in exercises with the regular forces

As for the police, we rented our indoor range out to the RCMP for training, and there were bullet strikes on the floor and on the walls within six feet of the firing line. When questioned about it, the training officer could not explain how this happened, and the end result was that we stopped renting the indoor range to the RCMP. Cat probably remembers this incident.

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by ghostguy6

So one guy with non life threatening injuries gets a police escort? Sounds like major favoritism for their brotherhood in this case. I wonder how many other calls received a delayed response because of this.

Oh Wahhh. How did they know whether it was life threatening or not until he was at the hospital? They're police officers, not trauma surgeons....

You say that as though you'd not do whatever was in your power to help someone you know. I don't know if you're a parent, but if you are would you not break the speed limit driving your injured child to the hospital if you knew it was more important to get there ASAP and you knew you could get there faster than than waiting for an ambulance? If you want to feel better about it, you can call police escort run a training exercise. The taxpayer has no problem footing the bill for training

[brohymn2]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

We treat firearms with respect.
Another forum member that was in the armed forces reserve, told me that he was shocked as to how some military personnel handled firearms. He told me that he had never seen such careless handling of firearms, as when they took part in exercises with the regular forces

As for the police, we rented our indoor range out to the RCMP for training, and there were bullet strikes on the floor and on the walls within six feet of the firing line. When questioned about it, the training officer could not explain how this happened, and the end result was that we stopped renting the indoor range to the RCMP. Cat probably remembers this incident.

I can agree with the handling of some member of the cf but i would be interested what he meant by carelessness, and if he steped in to stop it? What I should of mentioned is that having a rifle hunting is much different than having a firearm readied while sitting in a vehicle with 8 people that is meant for 6 while bombing around the the countryside. Not to mention the different variables you are dealing with when carrying a rifle. I'm also curious to know if this was a mistake due to training taking over during a slight in judgement.

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[ETOWNCANUCK]

Originally Posted by MK2750

The law is black and white. I say let a judge decide because that is how us ordinary folks are treated. This incident is the definition of "Careless use of a Firearm" and the officer should be guilty until proven innocent just like the rest of us.

Because of a training accident?

Not the same circumstances.

If it was you at the range and the same thing happened would you feel the same way?

[Talking moose]

Kinda torn on this, makes me wonder that if the officer can’t perform flawlessly at a gun range, that’s not the guy I want handling a weapon in public under pressure in a tense situation. The other part of me is sympthetic to the accident.

[Drewski Canuck]

The holster requires 4 separate movements to release the hand gun from the holster.

This very special design is so that in an altercation joe citizen cannot remove the hand gun and use it against the Constable when the Constable does not decide to remove the hand gun in the first place.

Don't ask me how I know this.

As such, the Constables have to train to remove the hand gun and to fire and hit a target three times, two center body mass, one in the head, in I believe 10seconds, for their yearly qualification.

There also are drills when there are multiple attackers and the Constable has been pepper sprayed, etc.

Then there are running - draw - shoot - drills.

So the fact that there was a discharge does not surprise me. Does the Glock have a Safety, by the way????? Do we even know the hand gun being used?

Its not so cut and dry guys.

Drewski

[CaberTosser]

Drewski, being that it was an off-duty shooting group/club it might not have even been a duty firearm or holster. Are they even allowed to use their duty firearms in off-duty informal training in the first place? Too little info to go on in that regard I think.

[brendan's dad]

Originally Posted by MK2750

The law is black and white. I say let a judge decide because that is how us ordinary folks are treated. This incident is the definition of "Careless use of a Firearm" and the officer should be guilty until proven innocent just like the rest of us.

Why don't you find us a court example of an accidental discharge where the only injured person was the user, and that user was then charged and convicted. Just the Jurisdiction and docket # please and I can look up the rest myself.

Thanks

[Nyksta]

Originally Posted by MK2750

The law is black and white. I say let a judge decide because that is how us ordinary folks are treated. This incident is the definition of "Careless use of a Firearm" and the officer should be guilty until proven innocent just like the rest of us.

Originally Posted by brendan's dad

Why don't you find us a court example of an accidental discharge where the only injured person was the user, and that user was then charged and convicted. Just the Jurisdiction and docket # please and I can look up the rest myself.

Thanks

Or this story of guilty until found innocent idea. Canada has the softest justice system in the world and the nicest cops. A person has to do some seriously stupid actions to have even the slightest consequences.

[ghostguy6]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

Oh Wahhh. How did they know whether it was life threatening or not until he was at the hospital? They're police officers, not trauma surgeons....

You say that as though you'd not do whatever was in your power to help someone you know. I don't know if you're a parent, but if you are would you not break the speed limit driving your injured child to the hospital if you knew it was more important to get there ASAP and you knew you could get there faster than than waiting for an ambulance? If you want to feel better about it, you can call police escort run a training exercise. The taxpayer has no problem footing the bill for training

Paramedics were on scene if an ambulance was there, they should be able to tell if a wound if life threatening or not. Even police officers require first aid training so they should be able to tell if a wound is immediately life threatening or not.

If it was you, me or anyone other than a police officer I can guarantee no police escort would have been provided. All Im saying its kind of ironic how much extra attention a situation gets when an officer ( even an of duty officer) is injured.

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by ghostguy6

Paramedics were on scene if an ambulance was there, they should be able to tell if a wound if life threatening or not. Even police officers require first aid training so they should be able to tell if a wound is immediately life threatening or not.

If it was you, me or anyone other than a police officer I can guarantee no police escort would have been provided. All Im saying its kind of ironic how much extra attention a situation gets when an officer ( even an of duty officer) is injured.

When innocent people are shot I'm all for fast transport to a hospital, whether they're a police officer or not. When hardcore criminals are shot, whether they were shot by other bad guys, citizens defending themselves or the police, in those cases I wish there was a rickshaw transport option where the runner has emphysema!



My apologies for my being in need of a Snickers today, a deadbeat client has me pursuing my first small claims court filing and I'm not quite my usual self.

[ctd]

Originally Posted by ghostguy6

So one guy with non life threatening injuries gets a police escort? Sounds like major favoritism for their brotherhood in this case. I wonder how many other calls received a delayed response because of this.

I would assume the Officers giving the escort were already at the range so they were not part of the Roster for the day. So to answer your question did not effect any other calls that day.
You can put in a Freedom of Information Act Request and get that info. Be particular as to what information you want.

[Talking moose]

Originally Posted by ctd

I would assume the Officers giving the escort were already at the range so they were not part of the Roster for the day. So to answer your question did not effect any other calls that day.

I would assume if they weren’t part of the roster that day, they wouldn’t be in patrol cars?

[ctd]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

I would assume if they weren’t part of the roster that day, they wouldn’t be in patrol cars?

They could of been at the end of their shift, before their shift, or using company vehicles to go to company training carrying company equipment.

Sorry I should have said not on Patrol Roster at the time.

[Newview01]

[ctd]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

We treat firearms with respect.
Another forum member that was in the armed forces reserve, told me that he was shocked as to how some military personnel handled firearms. He told me that he had never seen such careless handling of firearms, as when they took part in exercises with the regular forces.

We would ride in a helicopter with magazine fitted, muzzle pointed down. Ride in armoured vehicle with round in the chamber safety on.

When we would dismount it would look like a cluster fudge to an outside eye. but it was all done safely.

As for a Soldier seeing another handling their Weapon unsafely, it should have been dealt with at the time.
Yet I have been witness to a few Military Members who did not understand the training difference between Pretend bang bang and Live fire attacks. Nor did they understand that you continue fire onto the objective until your guys are ready to take the trench. some times that means rounds going by your guys.

Non of the above would be considered safe by the Canadian Firearms Act.

Firearm Safety program and Military training follow similar principles but are vastly different in the way they acheive their end goal.

When hunting my friends all have their rifles slung over their shoulder. I usually carry mine in the low carry (trail carry) or a modified high ready (Two-Handed or “Ready” Carry). This past year I started to sling my rifle more. Just because it made the guys hunting with more comfortable.

[FXSB]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher View Post
ac·ci·dent
/ˈaksədənt/
noun
noun: accident; plural noun: accidents
1.
an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.


Will all those who have never had an accident of any kind please step forward now.

Crickets....

I would leave it to his buddies to tease him. The rest of us only dream of never having an accident.

Cops put their lives on the line for us. The majority do it professionally and with integrity and honesty.

To our police services reading this thread.

I appreciate all that your doing to help us. Keep up the great work.

Sun!

I agree with this post and the spirit behind it.

The new terminology is negligent discharge not accidental discharge.

Collision not accident.

I am sure that the new terms have helped save many lives?

[MK2750]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

Because of a training accident?

Not the same circumstances.

If it was you at the range and the same thing happened would you feel the same way?

Of course not, but that doesn’t change how the rest of the day would go. The oops defence only works for some.