495 fps CO2 BB pistols for grouse

[Tactical Lever]

Forgot to mention, that maybe a Hammond Game Getter, sub caliber insert, or a light handload might fit the bill?

[Stinky Coyote]

Webley alecto which is rebranded zoraki hp01 or some shizzo...mine shoots under a dime at 11 yards with a scope and all standard weight .177 pellets I tried...but it stacks pellet on pellet with the heavy pellets...the crosman premier heavy and jsb exact heavy...I chose the jsb exact heavy as fits barrel better and gets more speed. This is a multi stroke pneumatic...recoiless....rest it on tree or mirror lol...recommended 3 strokes....after easily turning down the bleed screw on reservoir you will see nearly 500 fps or bit more....use a chrony....that's in .177 with 10.3 gr jsb exacts. In .22 cal you will push real world 460-490 fps with standard weight pellets! This is thee pistol for the job. The most accurate and powerful...I've tried em all. Note...there is a magun version with longer barrel in other markets allowing 4 strokes and well past our 500fps limits but schematic shows internals same....hmmmm. Just sayin

After my discovery and proving with scope just to see accuracy potential etc. I had a groove put in top rail for a small red dot and boy oh boy do gophers hate the head shot after head shot...one after the other. Just rest and shoot.

Learn more on Canadian air gun forum. I wish I had this pistol when I was killing grouse lots with a 22cal hw45 weihrauch that did real chronied 425 fps with hard crosman points. This thing half the price of hw45 too. The springer was an art to shoot well...as u couldnt rest it....this Alecto is a snap by comparison.

[Joelvca]

Originally Posted by Tactical Lever

Forgot to mention, that maybe ... a light handload might fit the bill?

My favorite grouse & such load is a round ball or buck shot of somewhat larger than groove diameter over 2-5 grains of some suitable fast pistol powder (as little as I can use with reliable accuracy), loaded into an reprimed but unsized fired case. Naturally, you have to have a separate box of these for each rifle if you have more than one in a caliber. I have had the occasional ball fall out or push into the case, so I think the next batch I load up, I'll try putting a dimple in ~1/4" down the neck with a centre punch (supporting the case neck with a dowel or a bullet base to keep it otherwise round) then seat an unlubed ball just below the case mouth and seal it in with a smear of the bullet lube.

Regards,
Joel

[VE6WTF]

I use a "2289 backpacker" air rifle. Small enough just sling it on my back.. pump action. Changed the barrel out for a 24" and good to go. Alot cheaper than losing arrows

[digiphantom]

Originally Posted by Tactical Lever

Can you hold the gun steady enough to notice 1/2 difference at 25 yards? Can you hit the grouse in the eye at 10 off hand?

Of course I can always hold a gun absolutely steady - because I NEVER shoot OFF HAND without a support when hunting (except a scatter gun)! I always use shooting sticks - either bi-pod or a tri-pod. I carry them to use with a gun, a camera, or a spotting scope. And also to steady my steps when on a difficult terrain. Good quality sticks are very lightweight, easily adjustable length, and provide very stable support. If I cannot hold a gun absolutely steady, I will not shoot at all. You would not believe how easy and fast it is to make a running shot from a tripod with a gun attached by a ball-head. If you watch hunting with professional guides, they always have shooting sticks for a client. You may think that I am too conservative but I have been hunting for 70 years, killed enough animals, so I do not have need to make a mess to kill one more.

[digiphantom]

Originally Posted by Joelvca

My favorite grouse & such load is a round ball or buck shot ......

Well, I hate to use slingshot for a grouse. When I was a little kid I had a large collection of slingshots of "different calibers" (meaning sizes and capabilities) and became quite good with them. When I started big game hunting later on, I thought that a slingshot might be good to get quietly grouse which crossed my trail. I used steel balls (ball bearings) or lead balls and I could hit a grouse very well with a BODY SHOT. No, I could not hit a grouse systematically in the head with a slingshot. What happened after the bird was hit? Most of the time it just flew away, sometimes sitting high in a nearby tree. That was VERY frustrating. On several occasions I shot off the head of the bird high it the tree with my big game riffle and after it fell down, I performed an autopsy on the body. In all those cases I found the ball imbedded deeply in the body, usually in the guts or in the chest area. Yet this was not enough to kill or disable the bird enough and it flew away. No slingshot for grouse hunting for me, I want a clear instant kill or will not shoot at all.

[buckbrushoutdoors]

Where does one buy one of these high end pellet pistols

[averagejoe]

Originally Posted by buckbrushoutdoors

Where does one buy one of these high end pellet pistols

There are quite a few different sources in Canada. Might want to do some research.

http://www.airgunsource.com/pistols-...target-pistols

http://www.dlairgun.com/Air-Pistols/Tau/
http://www.dlairgun.com/Air-Pistols/Pardini/

http://www.specialtyshootingsportsou...ls/baikal.html
http://www.specialtyshootingsportsou...s/brocock.html

And not a "high end" one but a great pistol. They are becoming harder to find in Canada lately and most places are out of stock.
http://www.replicaairguns.ca/webley-...air-rifle.html
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Webley...ir_Pistol/2238

[VE6WTF]

Www.scopesandammo.com is the best. They take EMTs as well

[Junglefisher]

Originally Posted by digiphantom

Well, I hate to use slingshot for a grouse. When I was a little kid I had a large collection of slingshots of "different calibers" (meaning sizes and capabilities) and became quite good with them. When I started big game hunting later on, I thought that a slingshot might be good to get quietly grouse which crossed my trail. I used steel balls (ball bearings) or lead balls and I could hit a grouse very well with a BODY SHOT. No, I could not hit a grouse systematically in the head with a slingshot. What happened after the bird was hit? Most of the time it just flew away, sometimes sitting high in a nearby tree. That was VERY frustrating. On several occasions I shot off the head of the bird high it the tree with my big game riffle and after it fell down, I performed an autopsy on the body. In all those cases I found the ball imbedded deeply in the body, usually in the guts or in the chest area. Yet this was not enough to kill or disable the bird enough and it flew away. No slingshot for grouse hunting for me, I want a clear instant kill or will not shoot at all.

Slingshots have come a long way since 1940.